Joe Biden!

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Vic, I do not have any of those accomplishments you listed. But there are thousands of people in this country that do have those qualifications. Does that make them qualified to be the President of the United States???

Infinitely more qualified that the current idiot in the oval office. Who has failed at almost every business and political endeavor he's attempted. 2000 election, stolen, with help from a brother, 2004, total clusterfuck of people not being able to vote.
You could list dumbya's LEGITIMATE self earned accomplishments on 1 hand, maybe less. So yes, I do believe that the qualifications listed for Senator Obama DO meet the criteria to be the next POTUS.

I figure he's actually succeeded at every political endeavor he's attempted. Isn't that why the left has a problem with him?

And failed miserably at several others. Why do you have to cherry pick your information? More importantly he failed miserably when he actually got the job.

If you say so, champ. Failures typically don't get re-elected.

GWB did, so obviously they can

So what does that make John Kerry?

An example of the best man losing, which has been known to happen.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: cubeless

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: cubeless
had he been white his chances of admission would have been greatly reduced is one... and i am not saying that he didn't have many other qualifications to get into harvard, but harvard's admissions policies were a boon to him in the same way that gwb's relatives were helpful in getting him into yale...

You have evidence that Obama required the assistance of affirmative action policies in order to get into Harvard?

ny times article...
...

Did you actually READ the article you linked? It is entirely about his election as President of the Harvard Law Review, not his admission to Harvard.


Total Failure. Try again.

 

[Pliablemoose]

You folks realize the US/world economy is going to implode shortly after the election, regardless of who's elected, right?

God, I wish H Ross would buy some airtime & say "It's the economy, stupid."

But hey, I love the pretty speeches bought & paid for from the best speechwriters in the world :thumbsup:

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: winnar111
So what does that make John Kerry?

A terrible mistake by the Democratic Party, and the greatest gift they could possibly have given GWB. John Kerry is an incredibly bad campaigner, despite what the Dems said in 2004; Kerry is a liberal Democrat from Massachusetts who struggles to reelection every cycle in a state where Teddy Kennedy wins by landslides.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: winnar111
If you say so, champ. Failures typically don't get re-elected.

GWB did, so obviously they can

So what does that make John Kerry?

Swiftboated and subverted by a well financed boatload of scum, John Kerry arguably had his Presidency stolen from him due to the shady tactics of the Ohio Republicans, most notably then Ohio Sec. of State J. Kenneth Blackwell:

December 14, 2007


Ohio's Secretary of State announced this morning that a $1.9 million official study shows that "critical security failures" are embedded throughout the voting systems in the state that decided the 2004 election. Those failures, she says, "could impact the integrity of elections in the Buckeye State." They have rendered Ohio's vote counts "vulnerable" to manipulation and theft by "fairly simple techniques."

Indeed, she says, "the tools needed to compromise an accurate vote count could be as simple as tampering with the paper audit trail connector or using a magnet and a personal digital assistant."

In other words, Ohio's top election official has finally confirmed that the 2004 election could have been easily stolen.

 

[Lemon law]

While I want to believe Perknose is correct, its just one more conspiracy theory without proof. At the end of the day, John Kerry failed to connect with the American people, and in the end, IMHO, Bush won because he was the devil they knew and Kerry was the devil they did not know. But soon, very soon, GWB was talking he had political capital and would spend it, but the very second GWB started talking about messing with social security, he promptly discovered the American people did not trust him at all. And that was 20 approval points better than he scores now, as things stand, GWB could not run for dogcatcher and win if he ran unopposed.

The other point I wish to make is that the defining moment of campaign 04 came in debate two. While Kerry won debate one, IMHO, when Kerry was too much of a gentleman to follow up in debate two, and really rip into GWB, GWB regained his initial timidity and started his own attack. Maybe I am the only one with that memory, but to me it was a sad but defining moment.

But in closing, its fair to say that the GWB was the de facto winner of two very close elections, with an American split into the same blue and Red States. Will America be again split with those same divisions in election 08?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Vic, I do not have any of those accomplishments you listed. But there are thousands of people in this country that do have those qualifications. Does that make them qualified to be the President of the United States???

Infinitely more qualified that the current idiot in the oval office. Who has failed at almost every business and political endeavor he's attempted. 2000 election, stolen, with help from a brother, 2004, total clusterfuck of people not being able to vote.
You could list dumbya's LEGITIMATE self earned accomplishments on 1 hand, maybe less. So yes, I do believe that the qualifications listed for Senator Obama DO meet the criteria to be the next POTUS.

I figure he's actually succeeded at every political endeavor he's attempted. Isn't that why the left has a problem with him?

And failed miserably at several others. Why do you have to cherry pick your information? More importantly he failed miserably when he actually got the job.

If you say so, champ. Failures typically don't get re-elected.

Why don't you read about the incumbency advantage, champ? Failures get re-elected all the time. Not that I actually expect you to read anything.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Perknose
Swiftboated and subverted by a well financed boatload of scum, John Kerry arguably had his Presidency stolen from him due to the shady tactics of the Ohio Republicans, most notably then Ohio Sec. of State J. Kenneth Blackwell:

He lost by 50,000!!!!!! votes!!!!! You can't be that much of an idiot to think that Bush some how managed 'steal' that many votes and get away with it without one piece of real evidence???

There were 4 other states with closer margins than Ohio as well.

 

[cubeless]

yeah he is... when lemonlaw won't even back up a right wing conspiracy theory you know you are sunk...

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Perknose
Swiftboated and subverted by a well financed boatload of scum, John Kerry arguably had his Presidency stolen from him due to the shady tactics of the Ohio Republicans, most notably then Ohio Sec. of State J. Kenneth Blackwell:

You can't be that much of an idiot to think that Bush some how managed 'steal' that many votes and get away with it without one piece of real evidence???

Wrong, Professor. You are DEAD WRONG.

From the OFFICIAL REVIEW by the State of Ohio:

The final official tally for Bush---less than 119,000 votes out of 5.4 million cast---varied by 6.7% from exit poll results, which showed a Kerry victory. Exit polls in 2004 were designed to have a margin of error of about 1%.

In various polling stations in Democrat-rich inner city precincts in Youngstown and Columbus, voters who pushed touch screens for Kerry saw Bush's name light up. A wide range of discrepancies on both electronic and paper balloting systems leaned almost uniformly toward the Bush camp. Voting procedures regularly broke down in inner city and campus areas known to be heavily Democratic.

In direct violation of standing federal election law, 56 of Ohio's 88 counties have since destroyed all or part of their 2004 election data. The materials were additionally protected by a federal court injunction in the King-Lincoln-Bronzeville federal civil rights lawsuit

[...]

two Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) election officials have been convicted of felony manipulation of an official recount.

[...]

The study was managed by the Battelle Corporation, and conducted by Columbus-based MicroSolved Inc., SysTest Labs of Denver along with a consortium of academic subcontractors. It was reviewed by a dozen county officials, and included scrutiny of voting systems produced by Election Systems & Software (ES&S), Hart Intercivic and Premier Election Solutions (formerly Diebold).

 

[cubeless]

and nobody had a camera phone to document it with or mentioned it to a poll worker... yeeeahhhh... just like all the folks who were blocked from the polls in fl...

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: eskimospy

And failed miserably at several others. Why do you have to cherry pick your information? More importantly he failed miserably when he actually got the job.

If you say so, champ. Failures typically don't get re-elected.

Why don't you read about the incumbency advantage, champ? Failures get re-elected all the time. Not that I actually expect you to read anything.

You talking about Clinton in 1996? Or one of the other 11 Presidents to serve 2 full terms, most of which are considered great men?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: eskimospy

And failed miserably at several others. Why do you have to cherry pick your information? More importantly he failed miserably when he actually got the job.

If you say so, champ. Failures typically don't get re-elected.

Why don't you read about the incumbency advantage, champ? Failures get re-elected all the time. Not that I actually expect you to read anything.

You talking about Clinton in 1996? Or one of the other 11 Presidents to serve 2 full terms, most of which are considered great men?

No retard, I was telling you that failures get re-elected frequently, and so when you said 'failures typically don't get re-elected', you were just making shit up again. To keep you from making an ass of yourself on this topic in the future, please google 'incumbency advantage' as I told you before.

 

[QED]

Perknose, you're grasping at straws.

Mentioning the two Cuyahoga County election officials who were fired and prosecuted for "felony manipulation of an official recount" as proof that GWB stole the election proves that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

First of all, Cuyahoga County is a heavily Democratic county and is run exlusively by Democrats-- including the Board of Elections-- who employed the two fired workers and were responsible for the integrity of the elections in that county. If there were any discrepancies in the vote tally, the county Board of Elections (again, all run by Democrats) would be the ones responsible for it-- not the Ohio Secretary of State.

Funny how all of these "voting irregularities" occur in heavily Democratic counties where the Board of Elections responsible for administering the elections are all Democrats. Weird, huh?

Secondly, the "recount" the two fired workers were working on was strictly for a local elective office--it had absolutely nothing at all to do with the ballots for the Presidential election.

Thirdly, their was no intent on the part of the fired workers to purposefully manipulate the outcome of the recount-- like quite a few corrupt local government employees, they were simply too lazy to finish counting ballots after they determined the race was already determined.

Finally, if you compare the results between exit polls and actual election results you will find that the exit polls consistently underestimated the number of Bush voters and overestimated the number of Kerry supporters-- in most cases by 3% or more. This pattern was across many states-- including Massachussetts, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Vermont, Wyoming, Alaska, Alabama, and Delaware. So either the exit polls were somewhat skewed (very easy to do since as a pollster you have to try to determine what exactly is a representative cross-section of a state, and adjust your hard counts apropriately)-- or Bush cheated in many states where the outcome wasn't ever in question.

I guess that latter fits your conspiracy theory nicely-- that State and local Board of Elections across Massachussetts and Rhode Island and Delaware must have been in the plot to steal the 2004 for Bush.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
While I want to believe Perknose is correct, its just one more conspiracy theory without proof. At the end of the day, John Kerry failed to connect with the American people, and in the end, IMHO, Bush won because he was the devil they knew and Kerry was the devil they did not know. But soon, very soon, GWB was talking he had political capital and would spend it, but the very second GWB started talking about messing with social security, he promptly discovered the American people did not trust him at all. And that was 20 approval points better than he scores now, as things stand, GWB could not run for dogcatcher and win if he ran unopposed.

The other point I wish to make is that the defining moment of campaign 04 came in debate two. While Kerry won debate one, IMHO, when Kerry was too much of a gentleman to follow up in debate two, and really rip into GWB, GWB regained his initial timidity and started his own attack. Maybe I am the only one with that memory, but to me it was a sad but defining moment.

But in closing, its fair to say that the GWB was the de facto winner of two very close elections, with an American split into the same blue and Red States. Will America be again split with those same divisions in election 08?

George Bush was *not* the choice of the American people in 2000. Several factors each threw the election to him, and thwarted the will of the voters.

Some were accidental, some were designed to deny voting rights to democrats, often illegally.