Joe officially announces he's running again

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Pens1566

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There are a handful - I don’t agree with Mitt Romney on many things but he’s sane. Larry Hogan too - they have been clear that they will not support Trump.

The problem that so frequently crops up with other republicans that might be otherwise sane is when asked if Trump is the nominee if they would vote for him and they say yes. So basically they are saying
‘Trump is a criminal maniac but if he’s the party’s choice then I support criminal maniacs.’ Sununu from New Hampshire did this.

Problem isn't that they don't exist, it's that they can't win a primary when MAGA is so active within the GOP.

Which in both cases, means they're not running.
 

Vic

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It is a very weird American quirk where our go to governance ideas are ‘what do slave owners who died several centuries ago think?’
I don't see this as unique to America in the slightest. In fact, I'd argue that the weird American quirk is that we're fighting against that conservative tendancy.
 

ivwshane

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There are a handful - I don’t agree with Mitt Romney on many things but he’s sane. Larry Hogan too - they have been clear that they will not support Trump.

The problem that so frequently crops up with other republicans that might be otherwise sane is when asked if Trump is the nominee if they would vote for him and they say yes. So basically they are saying
‘Trump is a criminal maniac but if he’s the party’s choice then I support criminal maniacs.’ Sununu from New Hampshire did this.

I will never vote for a politician that puts party before country.
 

Pens1566

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View attachment 79993

Meatball can't even handle Disney lawyers in his own state, is a complete joke outside the Team Treason kingdom of Florida.

Kind of like you, here. I look forward to predictable reactions from your kind when the GQP gets curbstomped next Nov.

"You can't even handle a cartoon mouse in your own state! How are you gonna be able to deal with Putin/Xi/NK?"

The debate/ad lines have already written themselves.
 
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Meghan54

Lifer
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"You can't even handle a cartoon mouse in your own state! How are you gonna be able to deal with Putin/Xi/NK?"
The answer has already been written/shown a few years ago with 8 Republican Congress persons, incl. 7 Senators, visiting Moscow on July 4, 2018.

The GOP lawmakers, Sen. Richard Shelby (Ala.), Steve Daines (Mont.), John Thune (S.D.), John Kennedy (La.), Jerry Moran (Kan.) and John Hoeven (N.D.), and Rep. Kay Granger (R-Texas), spent July 4 in Moscow’s U.S. Embassy, NPR reported.



But what do I expect? US Senators actually spending July 4th with their constituents?

Oh.....wait....I guess they did.....
 

K1052

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It is weird to me that the basic Republican line on Biden is 'this guy who keeps crushing us is demented'.

Even if it were true, and it's not, would you want to broadcast that you can't beat a guy whose brain doesn't work?

Once an a while some of the more self aware Rs look at their party and wonder if they're having trouble winning elections because they've gone insane and so far to the right as to be pretty unpalatable to voters on the fence. Used to be vote for us for low taxes and now it's vote for us to like crush woke Budweiser and give your kids genital inspections. This doesn't prompt any corse correcting somehow even after that disastrous midterm.
 

pcgeek11

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So which democrats put party before country?
If Biden committed any of the acts that trump did, do you think he'd survive impeachment? twice?


Well he did have classified documents from when he was a Senator and VP that went back a decade or so... He is surviving that pretty well.
 

fskimospy

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Well he did have classified documents from when he was a Senator and VP that went back a decade or so... He is surviving that pretty well.
What you are saying would make more sense if Pence were in hot water over the classified documents found at his house while Biden was not. In reality neither of them are in trouble because there's no evidence either of them broke the law...unlike Trump.

I think if Biden attempted a coup like Trump did more than enough Democrats would vote for his impeachment and conviction.
 
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pcgeek11

Lifer
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What you are saying would make more sense if Pence were in hot water over the classified documents found at his house while Biden was not. In reality neither of them are in trouble because there's no evidence either of them broke the law...unlike Trump.

I think if Biden attempted a coup like Trump did more than enough Democrats would vote for his impeachment and conviction.

I think they all broke the law.

ESP Pence and Biden as they shouldn't be taking documents out of the SCIF as I understand it anyway.
 

HomerJS

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Well he did have classified documents from when he was a Senator and VP that went back a decade or so... He is surviving that pretty well.
Trying to @bothsides that one? I'll ask you the same thing I asked @blackangst1.

If Biden lost a Presidential election, would he attempt a coup? If not, why wouldn't he.

Educated guess, "I don't know not acceptable."
 

fskimospy

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I think they all broke the law.

ESP Pence and Biden as they shouldn't be taking documents out of the SCIF as I understand it anyway.
You think wrong, which is why Trump will be indicted and Biden/Pence will not be.

Also SCIF does not really describe how the White House works, the entire West Wing is considered an SCIF and is also a place where classified and unclassified documents are constantly intermingled. You might think this is bad policy, but that's how it works. This is why I suspect every single ex president has one or more classified documents they shouldn't have - it's super easy for stuff to get mixed up in that fast paced, intermingled environment.

The requirements for a violation of the law governing classified material is that someone must:
1) possess classified material
2) not be cleared to possess it
3) have done so knowingly

To have violated the law all three aspects must be met. As of today there is zero evidence that Biden/Pence knowingly did this. There is a mountain of evidence that Trump did. That's why Trump broke the law and Biden/Pence didn't.
 
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fskimospy

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This is a helpful Twitter thread on how classified information handling works in the White House and why Biden/Pence almost certainly didn't know they had classified info.

Trump of course was told he had classified information and then tried to hide it and lie to the government so he could keep it. That's why he's going to be indicted and most likely convicted.

 
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