Joe Rogan Experiece with Ben Shapiro

[s0me0nesmind1]

No kidding. Where does one find EMTs in an ambulance with the job title of custodian? Perhaps you can link that.

Do you normally associate custodians with stock brokers? I don't normally, but I can definitely see its usage as is the case in an example in my link above:

Brokers who sell or transfer ADRs are typically responsible for ensuring that a matching number of foreign shares have been deposited with a custodian.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Glad to hear she is doing well.

Glad to see you do have some human compassion

For that one I'll buy you a beer if I'm ever in your area.

 

[brycejones]

Do you normally associate custodians with stock brokers? I don't normally, but I can definitely see its usage as is the case in an example in my link above:

I think your script is broken.

 

[ivwshane]

I think (I Hope, really) that were in agreeance that the pricing mechanisms is the root of the problem, no? This is something that is resolved with normal markets - e.g. You go into a store, you see a selection of like products and you can clearly see the detailed price tags of each similar product and choose as you wish.

The problem STILL is the pricing. The question is how to resolve it... So is your philosophy to simply regulate all the pricing at the federal government level?

Yes. I think I've stated it in the past but we could have any system of health care we want but it will only work (as in not cost consumers and arm and a leg) if there are price controls in place.

 

[Jhhnn]

Healthcare service requires skilled professionals and expensive equipment. Those are in short supply, whereas demand for them is very high. By what system is a scarce resource best parceled out to the people who need it?

The judgment of history on that question overwhelmingly favors a free market. Scarce resources aren't magically made more plentiful by passing laws that state they must be free to all.

Bullshit. Nearly every other first world nation delivers socialized medicine at a fraction of the cost that we do. Mere fact. Nobody goes bankrupt paying the bills. Nobody avoids preventative care or corrective surgery because they can't afford it. Everybody gets taken care of. And they pay for it with taxes.

 

[brycejones]

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The judgment of history on that question overwhelmingly favors a free market. Scarce resources aren't magically made more plentiful by passing laws that state they must be free to all.[/QUOTE]

This is just dishonest as fuck. Healthcare isn't free in any country. Its paid for through taxes in pretty much every other industrialized country.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Correct, and those country’s also are allowed to ration the healthcare, say no to unneeded tests, tell people to go to a doc not the ER for their cold, tell old people no we aren’t gonna pay a million bucks for you to live 3 more months, etc. Until we as a society screw our heads on and get to that point I have issues turning over the healthcare checkbook to our politicians.

 

[ivwshane]

Correct, and those country’s also are allowed to ration the healthcare, say no to unneeded tests, tell people to go to a doc not the ER for their cold, tell old people no we aren’t gonna pay a million bucks for you to live 3 more months, etc. Until we as a society screw our heads on and get to that point I have issues turning over the healthcare checkbook to our politicians.

We are already there.

 

[Stryke1983]

Correct, and those country’s also are allowed to ration the healthcare, say no to unneeded tests, tell people to go to a doc not the ER for their cold, tell old people no we aren’t gonna pay a million bucks for you to live 3 more months, etc. Until we as a society screw our heads on and get to that point I have issues turning over the healthcare checkbook to our politicians.

Health insurance companies effectively do that now. They place restrictions on what services they'll cover, what medications they'll cover and which providers they'll cover. If you go outside what they allow you'll have to pay for it yourself, if you can get access to it at all.

In the UK and other places you also have the option of going private and just paying yourself if the NHS won't provide it. So how does that leave anyone worse off? It simply doesn't. If you have the means and desire to go private then you still can, you don't lose that freedom, but if you don't have the means to do that you can also just focus on being treated via the public system without the fear of bankruptcy or crippling medical debt.

Ironically, the UK's system gives you more freedom than the US one. If the Republicans were serious about their desire for consumer freedom then they'd adopt a system that actually allows that freedom.

 

[Jhhnn]

Correct, and those country’s also are allowed to ration the healthcare, say no to unneeded tests, tell people to go to a doc not the ER for their cold, tell old people no we aren’t gonna pay a million bucks for you to live 3 more months, etc. Until we as a society screw our heads on and get to that point I have issues turning over the healthcare checkbook to our politicians.

So dishonest. The reason low income folks use the ER is because they can't be turned away & because they can't afford to go to a doctor. If you show up at the Doc's door w/o insurance or the ability to pay in advance they'll send you to the ER.

In order to contend that EOL care is different in socialized medicine countries you need to do more than simply make the claim.

 

[ivwshane]

So dishonest. The reason low income folks use the ER is because they can't be turned away & because they can't afford to go to a doctor. If you show up at the Doc's door w/o insurance or the ability to pay in advance they'll send you to the ER.

In order to contend that EOL care is different in socialized medicine countries you need to do more than simply make the claim.

But his feels jhnn!!!

 

[Fenixgoon]

Correct, and those country’s also are allowed to ration the healthcare, say no to unneeded tests, tell people to go to a doc not the ER for their cold, tell old people no we aren’t gonna pay a million bucks for you to live 3 more months, etc. Until we as a society screw our heads on and get to that point I have issues turning over the healthcare checkbook to our politicians.

so you prefer for-profit organizations whose primary goal is to "create shareholder value" instead of maximizing customer services? cause that's where we currently are

 

[Vic]

Correct, and those country’s also are allowed to ration the healthcare, say no to unneeded tests, tell people to go to a doc not the ER for their cold, tell old people no we aren’t gonna pay a million bucks for you to live 3 more months, etc. Until we as a society screw our heads on and get to that point I have issues turning over the healthcare checkbook to our politicians.

That part where people go to the ER instead of a doc is that inelasticity of demand I was speaking about earlier. Just because they can't afford to go to a doctor doesn't mean they don't still have medical needs.

 

[soulcougher73]

Correct, and those country’s also are allowed to ration the healthcare, say no to unneeded tests, tell people to go to a doc not the ER for their cold, tell old people no we aren’t gonna pay a million bucks for you to live 3 more months, etc. Until we as a society screw our heads on and get to that point I have issues turning over the healthcare checkbook to our politicians.

This is how it works now in the US. Once you cost too much they drop you. They only allow you what they are willing to pay for.

 

[darkswordsman17]

We are already there.

Yeah, just total WTF. Plus medicare has actually been doing better than normal healthcare (its costs are increasing slower than inflation, meaning its actually going down, while Republicans are openly trying to make the normal health care market blow up in cost so much that they can finally destroy the ACA just because Obama, they don't care if people literally die over their actions, in fact that seems to be how they want health care to operate - who needs death panels when you can just let them die with no concern?).

I'm not sure if he even realizes it, but he's arguing that average people, who are paying for medicare, should not get to reap the benefits of that type of care (even though adding them would kick in huge economies of scale and a lot of other benefits, plus they'd have extra money to spend which would help the economy). Nah, fuck them, they should have to go deal with his bullshit free market solution. You know, the one that pretty much all economic analysis has shown to be terrible and not working properly such that even the assholes that think medicare for all/single payer would trigger the apocalypse (and intentionally set out to portray it as such) have to admit that it would be a better alternative. Even dumber, he'd love for nothing more than to force the medicare people into that situation (well actually he straight up is advocating that they should just die instead of costing us any more money...because you know, its not just enough to be an idiot, he also has to be a fucking psychopath), because that way he could still believe that one day he could be Martin Shkreli.

Just when I think he couldn't be more of a despicable person, he proves me wrong. That's why I call him out constantly for his blatantly bullshit fake attempts at pretending like he is interested in honest debate. I'm not sure if he just wants everyone to live life as miserably as him, or if he's just so devoid of care for anyone (I'd say but himself, but this shows he doesn't even care about that as he'd benefit, so he's even willing to spite himself to fulfill his twisted beliefs).

 

[darkswordsman17]

This is how it works now in the US. Once you cost too much they drop you. They only allow you what they are willing to pay for.

Hell, until the ACA, they could straight up just go "you'll cost too much, sorry!"

Now, they get to go "you'll cost this much, if you can afford it, GREAT!!! If not, sorry, sucks to be you, but please vote to relinquish these burdensome regulations on us, it won't help your situation, but it'll help ours."

I hope these clowns get denied coverage so they can know what it feels like to be told that nope sorry you can just suffer because we need to make sure that our wealthiest shareholders and the politicians via lobbyists get as much money as possible and we can't make enough money on you!

 

[jackstar7]

Hell, until the ACA, they could straight up just go "you'll cost too much, sorry!"

Gotta call it Obamacare so he will get back to hating it blindly as he lies bleeding from his ass due to an untreated hemorrhoid.

 

[zinfamous]

Unless you are unconscious, you can make a competent financial decision.

What a shame for you that the courts disagree with this claim. Being unconscious is the only state in which one is incapable of making a competent decision?

 

[eits]

Personally, I think Ben Shapiro is a disingenuous dude who's smart enough to phrase things in ways which could make sense to people who don't know better, and chooses to argue things that are too challenging to disprove or argue against in a concise way.

His appeal, I think, is that he's a smart, ASD guy who doesn't smile and is completely unrelatable. I think that, to his audience, when they see and hear someone like him, they feel like it gives their facile perspectives validity, because they're not used to having nerds argue for them; they're used to seeing nerds argue for the Left.

 

[jackstar7]

Grifters gotta grift. And Trump has proven that there are plenty of marks out there so that every grifter with any ability at all can get rich with relative ease.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I don't agree with everything Ben Shapiro is for, but he regularly crushes the left with logic that they cannot compute because all they have are feelings and emotion-based arguments.