I agree with you, but there is a balance. In aviation I've worked with both union and non-union shops and feel the job security vastly increases self reporting of problems and quality issues, while workers in non-union shops tend to hide their mistakes. Of course, it should be easier to get rid of people that are always messing up or refusing to work, but there are benefits to having some leeway.I support unions in general, insofar as bargaining for higher wages, better benefits, and safer working conditions. My one big caveat with unions is the excessive job security. Not just for the police unions. Obviously it is important there, when it's hard to fire police for misconduct. Also applies to teachers. Should be somewhat easier to fire bad teachers. And of course any sort of union for public employees, where tax payers shouldn't have to pay the salary of a sub-standard worker.
It's somewhat less of a concern in the private sector. But even there it can be. I once had a litigation involving a UPS driver who had three accidents on the job which were his fault. UPS tried to fire him after the second accident, but got so bogged down in all the appeals that they gave up after a year of trying. Then he got into the third where someone was hurt.
Popular support has to come first. There has been a long record of union bashing in this country which dragged the support down, so it is at least positive to see support returning. But yes, it is important to take the next step and translate that support into legislation.And 27 states with 'Right to Work' laws. Popular support doesn't seem to matter too much.
I agree with you, but there is a balance. In aviation I've worked with both union and non-union shops and feel the job security vastly increases self reporting of problems and quality issues, while workers in non-union shops tend to hide their mistakes. Of course, it should be easier to get rid of people that are always messing up or refusing to work, but there are benefits to having some leeway.
That's less of a Union issue than standard bullying tactics by police unions (which along with firefighter unions) have an unusual level of coercive power. That, and anti-vax anti-test mentality.Another concern is with public health issues, like what is happening with the police union in Chicago right now. The mayor there is requiring disclosure of vaccination status for the police, which is a necessary precondition for a vaccine mandate. Nearly half the police force there is refusing to comply, which may cause a suspension of all of them, impacting public safety.
My concern is not so much that people can only be fired for cause, as opposed to "at will" which is standard for non-union employees. It's the excessive appeals process which can be so protracted that an employer may just give up rather than bothering with it.
There is no way under existing law to address this problem, as these unions can bargain for whatever they want. Some sort of change in the law is necessary, saying the maximum can only be one appeal which must be resolved in x time.
Another concern is with public health issues, like what is happening with the police union in Chicago right now. The mayor there is requiring disclosure of vaccination status for the police, which is a necessary precondition for a vaccine mandate. Nearly half the police force there is refusing to comply, which may cause a suspension of all of them, impacting public safety.
Their union is not saying that these officers object to the mandates per se. They are saying that any such mandate must be bargained for in the CBA. Which is another way of saying, if you want us to comply, you need to first fork something over.
Chicago Police Union President Estimates More Than 3,000 Officers Defying City's Vaccine Reporting Mandate
The Chicago Fraternal Order of Police has said the city's vaccine mandate is a change to employment policies that must be negotiated with the union.chicago.cbslocal.com
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This is the deadline for the Seattle cops today. Supposedly 200 have yet to get their vaccinations or apply for not getting it. Don't know what the percentage is. Funny thing, the Fire Dept. was in the same predicament, but now they are at 90% when they were down in the 70's a few weeks ago.If the Chicago Police are anything like the Portland, and they're all sitting around and refusing to do their jobs out of some kind of political protest, then suspending half of them shouldn't cause any more additional impact to public safety.
If lots of people are quitting their jobs then they don't need the income or have something else lined up. They must have some form of income or savings, otherwise it's a pretty serious mistake.
I have in the past worked for absolute shit wages. I did it because shit wages were a lot better than no wages. It allowed me to keep my home. Did it suck? You bet. But it didn't suck as much as losing everything and starting over again.
Where I live a single person needs to make at least $30 an hour to survive. That's a cheap apartment and a car that's paid for. It's what I would call a living wage, it's enough and no more. Should Mickey D's be paying that much? How high do their prices have to go so they can afford to double labor costs?
The reality is bottom end jobs pay bottom end money. Running the deep fryer isn't a carrier, it's a short term gig until something better comes along. It's also tough on business. Last Thursday I paid $15 bucks for a sandwich, it was a pretty good sandwich, and it came with a slice of pickle, but I'll never go back to that place again. In my opinion they've priced themselves out of the market.
We can mandate any minimum wage we want, the question is, will consumers pay for those products and services? Will they use them less? Or will they decide that that fellow running the deep fryer needs a nice house and pay $15 for a big mac?
Yeah, mandates absolutely work. I think the people that are lazy or making excuses get them as soon as they realize a mandate is coming, while the truly resistant wait until the last minute. Then the true believers (very few) actually get fired and try to play the martyr.This is the deadline for the Seattle cops today. Supposedly 200 have yet to get their vaccinations or apply for not getting it. Don't know what the percentage is. Funny thing, the Fire Dept. was in the same predicament, but now they are at 90% when they were down in the 70's a few weeks ago.
At will employment FTW!This is the deadline for the Seattle cops today. Supposedly 200 have yet to get their vaccinations or apply for not getting it. Don't know what the percentage is. Funny thing, the Fire Dept. was in the same predicament, but now they are at 90% when they were down in the 70's a few weeks ago.
It's a nice little theory, but my hunch is enhanced unemployment is the driving force behind so many people not going back to work. Pay people to not work and that's exactly what they'll do.
A-hole Washington Cougars coach Nick Rolovich (highest paid public employee in WA) was fired along with 4 of his assistants for not getting vaccinated. Probably thought since he was hanging out in that end of the state that someone would have his back. Soo sorry.Yeah, mandates absolutely work. I think the people that are lazy or making excuses get them as soon as they realize a mandate is coming, while the truly resistant wait until the last minute. Then the true believers (very few) actually get fired and try to play the martyr.
Math?!! You liberal college educated elitist!!I mean seriously.... DO THE MATH.
This is the deadline for the Seattle cops today. Supposedly 200 have yet to get their vaccinations or apply for not getting it. Don't know what the percentage is. Funny thing, the Fire Dept. was in the same predicament, but now they are at 90% when they were down in the 70's a few weeks ago.
Further follow-up after watching local noon news. A total of 150 State Police Employees have been let go, of these about 80 are actual cops.Seems like firefighters actually want to help people, and even if they (incorrectly) believe the vaccine isn't safe they're still willing to get it to keep helping people.
So, JD are proving that they are pricks again. No repair, crush the union, using part time contractors with no benefits and lower wages. American dream baby! Maybe they should contract out the CEO & COO, could save some serious $$s there too.John Deere is a big deal in my area. They barely hire anybody for full time employment, they contract mostly to get around the union. I assume this strike will result in more of that.
What is their product?JD may have some company. Heaven Hill distillers may walk out too.
Partay on the picket lines!! No need to bring your own bottle, we got that covered.
Bottom shelf Evan WilliamsWhat is their product?
The best mother-fucking-dollar-to-taste ratio of any liquor is $20 EW Bottled in Bond. It drinks as well as almost any $40 bourbon and some more expensive bottles too.Bottom shelf Evan Williams
ohh, just now realizing what JD means as well.Bottom shelf Evan Williams
No, it's more like a slightly boozy Angel's Envy (or Elijah Craig probably). A bit harsher but drop an ice cube in and it throws out a lot of great flavors.ohh, just now realizing what JD means as well.
Edit: Dollar to taste ratio??? So similar to Canadian Club?
Yep, it was my duty Bourbon (black) when I used to drink.The best mother-fucking-dollar-to-taste ratio of any liquor is $20 EW Bottled in Bond. It drinks as well as almost any $40 bourbon and some more expensive bottles too.
They also make Elijah Craig which is a go-to sipper for sure.