John Deere Tractors (Model Numbers)

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steppinthrax

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I'm looking to get another tractor. I currently have a craftsman and it's really been a piece of shit. I'm looking to get a older 80's style John Deere. I don't know much about how the model numbers are laid out. I have about 1 acre of land, it is moderately hilly.

I'm looking at the LX188, 212, 210, 175, 265.

My concern is the HP. My craftsman is a B&S 25HP. I notice a lot of the John Deere are Kawasaki 17 or 18HP... I don't know if the HP really matters. I remember a few years back there was a lawsuit with BS on overstating the HP? I also want to be able to attach implements (snow blower, snow plow etc...) A PTO would be nice too.
 

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Best to contact a JD dealer for info.

My dad had a 12HP and we could put a snowblower or a tiller on the PTO .
Worked great for a 200m driveway.
Had enough power to mow a 2 acre lawn/field and could pull a trailer of dirt with no lag.
 

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You should check out tractordata.com it gives information for quite a few lawn tractor manufacturers including John Deere. Click on the mfg. and the tractors are listed by model number the years they were made and hp. If you click on the model number it will give you more information. Good luck finding what your looking for.
 

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What is your price range?
And what attachments/work are you looking for?
Hydraulic attachments?
PTO to drive?
generator saw etc..

For a while it was easy to tell based on model numbers
First digit was size with 1 being a lawn tractor and 2-4 being garden tractors of increasing size
Second 2 digits where the HP rating
212 would be a 2 series garden tractor with a 12HP motor
etc
Biggest difference between lawn and garden tractors was availability of attachements
plows and snowblowers are available for the 100 series but not highly recommended
It does work as I use a 111 for plow duty in the winter but I think I will need to replace the transmission this year from the abuse on the other hand its 30 years old

Than started using higher numbers at the end which was ok for a little bit
But than the moved to letters at the beginning to denote models and it got a little crazy lol
 

steppinthrax

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What is your price range?
And what attachments/work are you looking for?
Hydraulic attachments?
PTO to drive?
generator saw etc..

For a while it was easy to tell based on model numbers
First digit was size with 1 being a lawn tractor and 2-4 being garden tractors of increasing size
Second 2 digits where the HP rating
212 would be a 2 series garden tractor with a 12HP motor
etc
Biggest difference between lawn and garden tractors was availability of attachements
plows and snowblowers are available for the 100 series but not highly recommended
It does work as I use a 111 for plow duty in the winter but I think I will need to replace the transmission this year from the abuse on the other hand its 30 years old

Than started using higher numbers at the end which was ok for a little bit
But than the moved to letters at the beginning to denote models and it got a little crazy lol

I'm looking at most around $1,000. I'm looking at a lot of 212 and 175. I see a lot of them going for between 650 to 1000 (with attachments). I also saw a 322 for $3,500 (ridiculous). So generally the higher the num the more you are getting in terms of power and size!!!!
 

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Those Kawasaki's are awesome. I bought a D105 though, brand new with some coupons/10% off stuff it's been awesome... I think I ended up with about $12xx after tax/coupons.
 
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I also saw a 322 for $3,500 (ridiculous).

You're joking, right? $3,500 for a 322 in good shape is a great price. Those things have liquid-cooled engines of over 650cc and are built like tanks. They are professional-grade machines and the equivalent current versions sell in the $8,000 neighborhood.

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snoturtle

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For that price range I would look for 200 or 300 series depending on attachments
a 300 series with hydro and a 4 way plow would be a little bit more

Finding attachments for 200 series tractors should be no problem as the use the same ones as the early 100 series and most of the 200 series tractors

If your looking for a snowblower I would recommend finding a running combo that is already mounted instead of buying the blower on its own as there are a few small parts that often get lost

I'm looking at most around $1,000. I'm looking at a lot of 212 and 175. I see a lot of them going for between 650 to 1000 (with attachments). I also saw a 322 for $3,500 (ridiculous). So generally the higher the num the more you are getting in terms of power and size!!!!
 

Zenmervolt

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http://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/0/3/38-john-deere-322.html

depends on the condition, if it has over 2k hours, i'd probably think $3500 is a bit steep too.

It doesn't sound out of line for that level of garden tractor.

If you're used to looking at the $1,500 junk at Home Depot or Sears I can understand that price seeming high for what looks like little more than another lawn mower, but a garden tractor with a 3-cylinder liquid-cooled engine is in a whole different league. Comparable new garden tractors sell for around $8,000 and those usually don't even have liquid cooled engines. To get into the liquid-cooled realm you're looking at close to $12,000 today.

ZV
 

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You're joking, right? $3,500 for a 322 in good shape is a great price. Those things have liquid-cooled engines of over 650cc and are built like tanks. They are professional-grade machines and the equivalent current versions sell in the $8,000 neighborhood.

ZV

So the 212 and 175, are these lower quality John Deere? What's the diff between a water/air cooled (in terms of reliability/quality)? For example, I found a LX188 (2-cyl Kawasaki water cooled). Much cheaper (also in good condition)....
 

Zenmervolt

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So the 212 and 175, are these lower quality John Deere? What's the diff between a water/air cooled (in terms of reliability/quality)? For example, I found a LX188 (2-cyl Kawasaki water cooled). Much cheaper (also in good condition)....

Not always necessarily lower "quality" (though the "John Deere" mowers you can buy at big box stores are not manufactured by Deere and are instead subcontracted out to the lowest bidder and are nowhere near the quality of the Deere models you get from farm supply stores), but designed for lower-duty use.

Mowers like the old 300 series were not aimed at suburban, or even exurban, homeowners who just needed to mow their lawns. The 300 series were the sort of garden tractors that you'd see used by professional lawn care services or by rural landowners who would often also have tiller attachments or snow plow attachments and use the tractor in situations other than just mowing the lawn. The sort of thing that a farm might keep on hand for situations when the "real" tractor (usually a much larger Deere) would just be overkill.

Basically there are three "tiers" of what most people think of as riding mowers.

First, there are "ride-on mowers." These are, as the name implies, meant strictly for mowing, though they may have bagging attachment. These are very basic models and generally have the engine under the rider's seat with the steering wheel just coming up on a post. Think of the old "Snapper" mowers.

Second, there are "lawn tractors." This group includes tractors like the 175 and the LX188. These are built a bit more sturdily than the ride-on mowers and have the engine in front and are designed to handle basic tasks for yardwork, like pulling small trailers, leaf vacuuming, and, in the case of higher end models, sometimes there are even snowplow attachments. The highest end models may have a single PTO to drive accessories, but these are light-duty units.

Third, there are "garden tractors" like the 212 and 332. The 212 would be a low-end garden tractor and the 332 would be a high-end model. Garden tractors look similar to lawn tractors but weigh more and tend to be built with heavier-duty components. These typically have much sturdier transmissions and at least the option of a rear PTO to drive things like rototiller attachments. As the name suggests, they are designed with the idea that they will be used to maintain larger gardens and not just lawns. In my experience it is not at all uncommon to see 40- or 50-year-old garden tractors still in use on family farms as these machines tend to be very durable with basic maintenance.

The 175 is a late 1980s lawn tractor, one I'd characterize as midrange.

The LX188 is a midrange lawn tractor from the mid-1990s.

The 212 is an entry-level garden tractor manufactured anywhere from the mid-1970s to the mid-late 1980s.

The 332 is a high-end garden tractor made in the late 1980s through the early 1990s. It even has power steering. The 300 series overall enjoys a very strong reputation as a largely unkillable and versatile machine (with the exception of a problematic Kohler engine in the early 317 models) and the resale values reflect this even today. Attachments included rototillers, snowblowers (not just plows), and even a front-mounted loader. You can even independently apply the brakes on the left and right side to aid in maneuvering.

ZV
 
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We had an LX175. FWIW, it cut great and had plenty of power... and then the hydro went. As the hydraulic fluid heated up, the hydro would start slipping. Usually I could run it for an hour before it would slow to a crawl, but by the end, I was only getting 10-15 minutes out of it before it wouldn't budge. I tried fluid changes and various other tips listed online, but to no avail.

I would highly suggest that if you look into one, see if the owner will allow you to run it for an extended period of time (at least 20 minutes or so), especially running it up and down hills. If it hesitates or slows on or after hills, the hydro is probably experiencing the same problem mine had.

With all of that said, I would strongly recommend that you look into 80s to early 90s Wheel Horses as well. My family has 5 of them, ranging from the 200 series to the 400 series, and all of them have been tanks. The Deere seemed to be more refined, but the Wheel Horses seemed to be stronger overall. Our current lawn tractor is a 310-8 and it does a great job.
 
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steppinthrax

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Not always necessarily lower "quality" (though the "John Deere" mowers you can buy at big box stores are not manufactured by Deere and are instead subcontracted out to the lowest bidder and are nowhere near the quality of the Deere models you get from farm supply stores), but designed for lower-duty use.

Mowers like the old 300 series were not aimed at suburban, or even exurban, homeowners who just needed to mow their lawns. The 300 series were the sort of garden tractors that you'd see used by professional lawn care services or by rural landowners who would often also have tiller attachments or snow plow attachments and use the tractor in situations other than just mowing the lawn. The sort of thing that a farm might keep on hand for situations when the "real" tractor (usually a much larger Deere) would just be overkill.

Basically there are three "tiers" of what most people think of as riding mowers.

First, there are "ride-on mowers." These are, as the name implies, meant strictly for mowing, though they may have bagging attachment. These are very basic models and generally have the engine under the rider's seat with the steering wheel just coming up on a post. Think of the old "Snapper" mowers.

Second, there are "lawn tractors." This group includes tractors like the 175 and the LX188. These are built a bit more sturdily than the ride-on mowers and have the engine in front and are designed to handle basic tasks for yardwork, like pulling small trailers, leaf vacuuming, and, in the case of higher end models, sometimes there are even snowplow attachments. The highest end models may have a single PTO to drive accessories, but these are light-duty units.

Third, there are "garden tractors" like the 212 and 332. The 212 would be a low-end garden tractor and the 332 would be a high-end model. Garden tractors look similar to lawn tractors but weigh more and tend to be built with heavier-duty components. These typically have much sturdier transmissions and at least the option of a rear PTO to drive things like rototiller attachments. As the name suggests, they are designed with the idea that they will be used to maintain larger gardens and not just lawns. In my experience it is not at all uncommon to see 40- or 50-year-old garden tractors still in use on family farms as these machines tend to be very durable with basic maintenance.

The 175 is a late 1980s lawn tractor, one I'd characterize as midrange.

The LX188 is a midrange lawn tractor from the mid-1990s.

The 212 is an entry-level garden tractor manufactured anywhere from the mid-1970s to the mid-late 1980s.

The 332 is a high-end garden tractor made in the late 1980s through the early 1990s. It even has power steering. The 300 series overall enjoys a very strong reputation as a largely unkillable and versatile machine (with the exception of a problematic Kohler engine in the early 317 models) and the resale values reflect this even today. Attachments included rototillers, snowblowers (not just plows), and even a front-mounted loader. You can even independently apply the brakes on the left and right side to aid in maneuvering.

ZV

Thanks, this is very helpful.... I'm seeing a pattern enough to make a decision. I think the 322 may be too much for what I'm doing. The 212 is a much cheaper option. However, I like the way the 322 sounds when it starts up etc... It looks like a real serious tractor, not a toy... The 212 is much better than what you can buy in a big box store. I don't want to get a tractor at a big box store, they don't last very long and most of them are shit!
 

Zenmervolt

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I would strongly recommend that you look into 80s to early 90s Wheel Horses as well.

I remember those. Great machines. When I was a little kid our neighbor ran a landscaping business and he used Wheel Horse equipment.

I've always been a fan of Simplicity myself, left over from back when they were a subsidiary of Allis Chalmers. I was a bit worried when Briggs and Stratton bought them, but so far they've done a good job of keeping Simplicity as a halo brand and only putting their high-end engines in the tractors.

ZV
 
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