John Fruehe (JF-AMD) no longer with AMD

[Ajay]

Penguins.

 

[Nintendesert]

What is this thread about?

Turned into a P&N circle-jerk somehow. D:

 

[happysmiles]

politics!

stick to the topic guys!

AMD has been going under a lot of restructuring so people are going to leave either way.

 

[myocardia]

politics!

stick to the topic guys!

AMD has been going under a lot of restructuring so people are going to leave either way.

LMAO, that isn't the topic of this thread, either.

 

[Blitzvogel]

Even with a loss in talent, it's possible some newbie or underling/junior-engineer could get the chance to prove his metal and put forth some great ideas (though any good team leader would be encouraging everyone to contribute as much as possible). Having Jim Keller though is a HUGE step in the right direction, and there is no telling how much money AMD is paying him. AMD also needs to give him the room to breath and collect people to build a proper team.

I then wonder if he'll conclude to "fix" Bulldozer/Piledriver architecture, or just to build something new altogether.

 

[Ferzerp]

Think you mean mettle...

Though I do have an amusing picture in my mind of someone in a red jumpsuit screaming out, "Look, look, you cannot deny the existence of my tin! Is not its luster and weight proof enough???"

 

[Blitzvogel]

Think you mean mettle...

Though I do have an amusing picture in my mind of someone in a red jumpsuit screaming out, "Look, look, you cannot deny the existence of my tin! Is not its luster and weight proof enough???"

My bad (sp)!

Though he may prove his metal after all (lithography) :awe:

 

[Ajay]

I then wonder if he'll conclude to "fix" Bulldozer/Piledriver architecture, or just to build something new altogether.

Given his pedigree, I doubt he has long term plans to fix Bulldozer, etc. He will like propose a new uArch. It could be CMT still, if he is confident that it can be done right. I personally expect to see SMT in the future, as well as some totally new uArch features.

 

[sequoia464]

Given his pedigree, I doubt he has long term plans to fix Bulldozer, etc. He will like propose a new uArch. It could be CMT still, if he is confident that it can be done right. I personally expect to see SMT in the future, as well as some totally new uArch features.

If they do go this route - what sort of time frame would they be looking at until something is ready for a release? 4-5 years??

 

[Ajay]

If they do go this route - what sort of time frame would they be looking at until something is ready for a release? 4-5 years??

I don't know, because the devil is in the details. For all I know AMD could be working on an improved Phenom uArch w/SMT. I suspect, that they will want something for the 20nm SHP, though probably after EUV is added to that process node. When is that due? I did a quick search and didn't come up with anything (date wise).

 

[malmental]

I also got banned for a few weeks at a time for daring to say that on the balance of probabilities, Bulldozer was going to be a dud and that IPC would be lower than Thuban.

However I think the appalling moderator in that case, may have actually been in love with JF-AMD.


His conduct was the worse I have ever seen on mainstream forums, by a company representative.

And most ludicrous of all, is how much information his supporters must be blissfully ignorant of, to not see his despicable behaviour.

AMD's engineers at a Hot Chips convention stated that one of their primary goals they were working on with Bulldozer was to minimise IPC loss, with the clear inference being that there was going to be some IPC loss.

This was publicly stated months before Bulldozer was released, yet JF-AMD kept insisting that IPC would be better than Thuban's.

good to see ya bruddah...

 

[sefsefsefsef]

I'm seriously curious if terrace215 from that other linked forum is Andy Glew.

 

[CHADBOGA]

good to see ya bruddah...

Likewise

 

[sm625]

If a FX-8150 consumed 65 watts and was able to match thuban, it wouldn't be a failure. But since it consumes more power than thuban, it is obviously a failure.

The above image clearly shows that the FX-8150 consumes almost exactly twice the amount of power it should to be competitive. It's actually more than twice (635.5/290 = 2.19). This graph shows us why even a 50% improvement does nothing for them. They need a 2.19x improvement just to catch up with a chip almost 2 years old...

 

[guskline]

Back on the thread topic, from what I read the last few days John Fruehe is not the only one no longer at AMD. Sounds like CEO Rory is cleaning house.

Was anyone brought back to work in the "high end" Desktop CPU division?

 

[sequoia464]

Back on the thread topic, from what I read the last few days John Fruehe is not the only one no longer at AMD. Sounds like CEO Rory is cleaning house.

Was anyone brought back to work in the "high end" Desktop CPU division?

They did bring back one of the big guns that was at AMD in the past , there were several posts about it - I'm not really up on this and the name eludes me now, someone else can probably elaborate.

 

[Ajay]

Jim Keller. Background: http://semiaccurate.com/2012/08/01/apples-cpu-architect-jim-keller-moves-back-to-amd/

 

[ShintaiDK]

One person doesnt make a company tho. Plus AMD is alot smaller these days, alot of people fired or moved on. Just look at Intel, 1900+ Ph.Ds working on the process node research alone.

 

[Ajay]

One person doesnt make a company tho. Plus AMD is alot smaller these days, alot of people fired or moved on. Just look at Intel, 1900+ Ph.Ds working on the process node research alone.

AMD is fabless now, so I don't quite get the Ph.D. reference. Intel is superior now (well, always has been) for many reasons. For one example, I don't think Intel has ever had a CEO as naive (or arrogant?) as Ruiz.

 

[ShintaiDK]

AMD is fabless now, so I don't quite get the Ph.D. reference. Intel is superior now (well, always has been) for many reasons. For one example, I don't think Intel has ever had a CEO as naive (or arrogant?) as Ruiz.

It was just an example since I knew the exact numbers there. But looking on R&D alone. Intel most likely got 5-6 Ph.Ds to design a CPU when AMD got 1. Not to talk about the resources avaliable to the teams.

 

[Ajay]

It was just an example since I knew the exact numbers there. But looking on R&D alone. Intel most likely got 5-6 Ph.Ds to design a CPU when AMD got 1. Not to talk about the resources avaliable to the teams.

True that! I root for AMD periodically only out of financial self interest. I don't want a decent CPU to cost me $600. I'd happily pay that much for a great CPU, but not just for a decent one.

 

[ShintaiDK]

True that! I root for AMD periodically only out of financial self interest. I don't want a decent CPU to cost me $600. I'd happily pay that much for a great CPU, but not just for a decent one.

You should play the lottery instead.

And CPU prices wont change. Intel got zero competition and they price their CPUs right now for the perfect price/volume/profit ratio. Higher price=less volume that then turns to lesser profit.

Innovation wont change either.

 

[Ajay]

You should play the lottery instead.

And CPU prices wont change. Intel got zero competition and they price their CPUs right now for the perfect price/volume/profit ratio. Higher price=less volume that then turns to lesser profit.

Innovation wont change either.

Eh, have had about the same success in the lottery. Innovation can change things and lower prices a bit, maybe more if the FX was in fact a high end competitor. But, as you point out, the odds of that happening are probably only a bit better than the lottery.

 

[bononos]

politics!

stick to the topic guys!

AMD has been going under a lot of restructuring so people are going to leave either way.

Politics, economic ideologies, industrial policy, corporate culture are all related subjects. What seems to be taken for granted is AMD losing so of its engineers in short period of time as part of a restructuring is automatically a good thing.