John Fruehe (JF-AMD) no longer with AMD

HighTech4US2

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Supposedly old news but seems like no one published it when it happened.

http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showp...72&postcount=5

SemiAccurate certainly decided to not publish it.

He's not high enough level for anyone who does news to consider it news. We certainly didn't
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showp...80&postcount=8

Posted this in the Graphics Forum but it probably is more relevant here in the CPU Forum because of JF-AMD's many comments leading up to AMD's Bulldozer launch.
 

Ferzerp

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Systematic deception of many enthusiast sites with along with the attacks on anyone who challenged the lies?

I can't really be sympathetic.

His linked in profile doesn't seem to say AMD on it anymore, though, I cannot see the whole thing as I refuse to sign up for an account.
 

Axon

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I'm not sure what his actual assigned role was, but the insane vitriol spewed by all the tech forums was over the top. If I was intel or AMD, I'd never give a drop of advance information again.
 

Ferzerp

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I'm not sure what his actual assigned role was, but the insane vitriol spewed by all the tech forums was over the top. If I was intel or AMD, I'd never give a drop of advance information again.


If I remember correctly he was a director in marketing in the server space (where I think the last IDC report had them between 5.5% and 6% marketshare).
 

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When tears come down like the fallin rain. Justice has away of working among the wee people.
 

Vesku

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I have no way of knowing if he was part of the marketing decision to push core nomenclature over thread nomenclature, but that one marketing choice really hurt their CMT server offering in terms of business licensing costs. Then there was the whole "IPC increases" thing.

Even so, best of luck to you JF.
 

jhu

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Oh well. If they had just called it 4 core with CMT, then there wouldn't have been as much of a backlash.
 

Idontcare

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Supposedly old news but seems like no one published it when it happened.

http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showp...72&postcount=5

SemiAccurate certainly decided to not publish it.

He's not high enough level for anyone who does news to consider it news. We certainly didn't
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showp...80&postcount=8

Posted this in the Graphics Forum but it probably is more relevant here in the CPU Forum because of JF-AMD's many comments leading up to AMD's Bulldozer launch.

LOL, he's not at a high enough level to be worth writing about, but he at the time he was at a high enough level to make him a credible source to write about.

Meanwhile, if you wanted to know how low something has to be and still have it make it to the "high enough to be worth publishing" level then look no further than this.

Given that John F was the face of bulldozer in the demographics served by the internet forums and professional bloggers like Semiaccurate, it is rather disingenuous to turn around and claim that he wasn't important enough - neither at AMD nor in the enthusiast circles and pro-blogger circles - to merit a footnote when he left that prominent enough position at AMD.
 

Axon

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Given that John F was the face of bulldozer in the demographics served by the internet forums and professional bloggers like Semiaccurate, it is rather disingenuous to turn around and claim that he wasn't important enough - neither at AMD nor in the enthusiast circles and pro-blogger circles - to merit a footnote when he left that prominent enough position at AMD.

Precisely how I feel. He obviously had his marching orders - he was too high profile to have been disseminating that level of information on the sly - and then everyone levied venom at him like he was handing out HIV candy bars to children. It was all hype, and rest assured, it was all AMD's hype. And now he's the scapegoat like he was some rogue splinter cell. Corporate scumbaggery at its finest.
 

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Precisely how I feel. He obviously had his marching orders - he was too high profile to have been disseminating that level of information on the sly - and then everyone levied venom at him like he was handing out HIV candy bars to children. It was all hype, and rest assured, it was all AMD's hype. And now he's the scapegoat like he was some rogue splinter cell. Corporate scumbaggery at its finest.

I think you've seen one too many conspiracy shows... maybe he was just inept? Is it corporate scumbaggery to let people go who are not contributing to the success of the company they work for? Even if he was following "marching orders", the outcome is on him and his performance, which I think no one can deny was poor.
 

Axon

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I think you've seen one too many conspiracy shows... maybe he was just inept? Is it corporate scumbaggery to let people go who are not contributing to the success of the company they work for? Even if he was following "marching orders", the outcome is on him and his performance, which I think no one can deny was poor.

My point is now all of a sudden it's JF-AMD's fault, when it was clear that AMD was giving him that info and telling him to hand it out. It's just a blip on the radar, but I find it amusing. I've been the mid-level guy who has to go fall on the sword, and I see all the usual patterns of behavior in that scenario with JF-AMD. Oh well.
 
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dguy6789

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It's not easy to have a job in marketing when the product you are tasked with pushing is Bulldozer. Must have felt similar to the Fermi guys from way back when.
 

Ferzerp

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My point is now all of a sudden it's JF-AMD's fault, when it was clear that AMD was giving him that info and telling him to hand it out. It's just a blip on the radar, but I find it amusing. I've been the mid-level guy who has to go fall on the sword, and I see all the usual patterns of behavior in that scenario with JF-AMD. Oh well.


The way he acted towards those who dared to call in to question the accuracy of his information rests solely upon him. People must be held accountable for their actions, and his actions were to mislead as many people as possible regarding the performance of an unreleased product as well as causing problems for anyone who disputed his lies.
 
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Idontcare

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Its pretty clear to me, and I'd think it is clear to most everyone else, that John was taking counsel (getting his info) from the same internal sources that were busy convincing executive management to funnel R&D money to them to create that which became Bulldozer in the first place.

Think about it. Who at AMD wasn't duped by the shysters who dreamed up, and pitched to have designed/built, bulldozer?

Those guys had everybody at AMD fooled, from the board of directors to the CEO to the marketing team to the fanboys. Bulldozer was going to take it to 11.

Its not like John Fruehe just made it (the hype) up, or that he took a marching order from on high to go out and lie to the masses. That's nonsensical, John has to make a paycheck every day for the rest of his life and he knew that back then.

There was no paycheck from AMD, short the kind they gave Hector Ruiz, that John could have been paid to make it worth his while to so thoroughly trash his reputation and credibility. This guy will walk in his own shadow for the rest of his professional career, it will dog him (just as Hector's dogs him) every time his name comes up in the industry.

And he knew this was at stake back when he was talking up bulldozer, which means the only reason he'd put so much of his personal reputation on the line was that he had been thoroughly convinced it was all real by the same engineers he kept referencing as his internal sources for the IPC gains and areal die-size tradeoffs for bulldozer's CMT.

It would take a fool to be so completely shortsighted of their own impending ruin as to take a measly salaried paycheck and proceed to take one for the team knowing they'd be found out as lying the moment bulldozer samples hit the hands of the reviewers. John was no fool, no more so than Dirk Meyer was for authorizing the bulldozer project, nor the board of directors for authorizing the billions spent on its development.

A lot of people got duped in that multi-year fiasco, John just happened to be the unlucky guy who was to become the face of the fiasco as far as we enthusiasts were concerned. And I feel for him, how do you dig out from that hole? How do you forgive the SOB's who set you up to take such a fall? At least Dirk got to walk away with the option of retiring comfortably for the rest of his life, John still has to work another 20+ yrs with this hanging over his head.
 

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It wasnt uncommon for people on other forums to get bans or forced vacations if they questioned JF-AMD and his trusty followers. I got a nice permaban myself that way other places.

I dont know about Anandtech. But I think its been up before and IDC said it wasnt true here.

While JFAMD himself was instructed from above. He did go way beyond the call of duty himself. And deserves absolutely no sympathy.

However it sure did change after BD launch and its been much more peaceful since.
 
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