John Kyl selected to finish McCain’s term

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He’s more than a supporter. He was his guide through the nomination process. He’s also the least controversial pick they could have made to fill the seat given the other likely options.
 

K1052

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Satan himself could be president and every R would vote for Kav.

It's looking possible that McSally will lose to Sinema in the battle for Flake's seat. Kyl looks like a placeholder in case that happens so Ducey can appoint her to McCain's seat.
 

IronWing

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Satan himself could be president and every R would vote for Kav.

It's looking possible that McSally will lose to Sinema in the battle for Flake's seat. Kyl looks like a placeholder in case that happens so Ducey can appoint her to McCain's seat.
McSally isn't Felonious Joe or Chemtrail Kelly but her record of voting as a far right whackjob is solid. From a practical point of view, sending McSally to the Senate would be the same as sending Arpaio or Ward, just less circus music.
 
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K1052

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McSally isn't Felonious Joe or Chemtrail Kelly but her record of voting as a far right whackjob is solid. From a practical point of view, sending McSally to the Senate would be the same as sending Arpaio or Ward, just less circus music.

I don't disagree with this. From a votes perspective it's the same thing. I think the AZ GOP would muuuch rather have an incumbent McSally to defend than Arpaio or Ward though.
 
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"Jon Kyl is a dear friend of mine and John’s. It’s a great tribute to John that he is prepared to go back into public service to help the state of Arizona." - Cindy McCain
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Every decent person is a supporter of Judge Kavanaugh.

Senator Kyl is one of 3 possibles I picked in an earlier thread.

I am thrilled to fail your test. He states in the public record that Presidents are accountable and investigations proper, then remarkably changes that as he's going to be on the ultimate protector of the Constitution and the rule of law, giving his appointer virtual immunity to any action he may take and can't even be investigated.

He was for it until someone tossed him an appointment and now he's against it. At the least he should recuse himself in Trump affairs and be damned if he will. He's in the bag for Trump and screw justice and law.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Kavanaugh is a solid choice and probably the best they can hope for.

So a less conservative but more open to the protection of corruption choice is the best the nation can do.

Perhaps you are right, that we've reached the point where an invulnerable Presidency is going to happen. No crime is sufficient for an investigation. Sweet.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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He has the lowest approval since Bork and that's after Republicans splashed millions on a PR campaign.

Dick Cheney is more honorable than these people and for me that's saying a lot. He wanted the rest of the world to bow to America. Trump now seeks ways to have all of us, Americans too, bend the knee to him personally.
 
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So a less conservative but more open to the protection of corruption choice is the best the nation can do.

Perhaps you are right, that we've reached the point where an invulnerable Presidency is going to happen. No crime is sufficient for an investigation. Sweet.
There's a process for impeachment if it comes to that. And yes, this is the best the nation can do....conservatives aren't going to nominate a liberal just as liberals would never nominate someone who's clearly conservative. Kavanaugh is about as good as a liberal can hope for...being reasonably centrist and all.
 

soundforbjt

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I am thrilled to fail your test. He states in the public record that Presidents are accountable and investigations proper, then remarkably changes that as he's going to be on the ultimate protector of the Constitution and the rule of law, giving his appointer virtual immunity to any action he may take and can't even be investigated.

He was for it until someone tossed him an appointment and now he's against it. At the least he should recuse himself in Trump affairs and be damned if he will. He's in the bag for Trump and screw justice and law.
He's also been a Koch Brothers guy since forever.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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There's a process for impeachment if it comes to that. And yes, this is the best the nation can do....conservatives aren't going to nominate a liberal just as liberals would never nominate someone who's clearly conservative. Kavanaugh is about as good as a liberal can hope for...being reasonably centrist and all.

Not exactly true. Decent people would rather have someone who has not demonstrated the approval of corruption in reversing their stance even if they are not of the same ideology. Any left or right leaning justice who cannot demonstrate a better character than Kavanaugh is an inferior choice.

Of course, it may be possible that the requirement is both conservative and corrupt, or that all conservative choices are just plain corrupt by nature.
 

Jhhnn

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Kyl was a smart choice by Ducey. He's in a bad spot, trying to convince the voters he's not whack when the Party base behind him clearly is.
 
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Kyl was a smart choice by Ducey. He's in a bad spot, trying to convince the voters he's not whack when the Party base behind him clearly is.
A good solid conservative choice who will resign in a year or so and give another Republican the incumbent advantage in 2020.
 

hal2kilo

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Feb 24, 2009
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Satan himself could be president and every R would vote for Kav.

It's looking possible that McSally will lose to Sinema in the battle for Flake's seat. Kyl looks like a placeholder in case that happens so Ducey can appoint her to McCain's seat.
Yes the machiavellain Republicans always have an angle.
 
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McCains wife appears to approve.
Is this guy good news for people who want to hold Trump accountable?
 

Sunburn74

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McCains wife appears to approve.
Is this guy good news for people who want to hold Trump accountable?
No. McCain himself didn't want to hold Trump accountable. If he did, he would have given up his seat well before May 30 when it was clear he was too sick to actually serve. Doing it before May 30 would allow the people to pick a new senator and thus hold Trump accountable. Rather he waited till after May 30 so that the seat would remain in republican hands for 5 years.
 
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