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Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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He came through. Aside from Collins and Murkowski, it was only his vote that keeps millions from losing their HC and a probable death spiral in the insurance markets.

Little too quick to pull the trigger on him, but holy shit, watching the vote was nerve racking.
 

JockoJohnson

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So I came into the thread and started reading it from the end and then going back a page at a time. It's good to see people happy for the guy voting against the repeal and sad as I go back to see those same retards wishing death on him. Everyone just assumed he would vote for the repeal.
 

JockoJohnson

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May 20, 2009
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I didn't wish him death. I said it's unfortunate that the cancer didn't get him before he cast a vote that could cause millions of people to suffer.



McCain voted for a straight repeal in 2015 and sent the bill to Obama's desk. What's his reason for changing his mind?

I don't think he changed his mind. These assholes voted for repeal when Obama was president because they knew he would veto it (all 50+ times). Now these same assholes are stuck because it could actually pass but their political future hangs in the balance. McCain doesn't care about his so he can vote to do the right thing. The other Repubs that voted against it won't get voted out either so it is safe for them to do the right thing.
 

TeeJay1952

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May 28, 2004
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He is the shield for his Party and Country.
Well done Sir! A brilliant capstone to an illustrious career.
 

Commodus

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 2004
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It's funny that so many people (myself included) thought McCain was being horrible when he voted in favor of the motion to proceed... turns out that he was just setting things up to make sure he could end these constant attempts at horrific health care bills. I still won't call McCain a saint (he still has a reputation for declaring bills horrible and voting for them anyway), but kudos to him for thinking long term.

My question is: how much of this is for the good of the country versus saving the Republican party from itself? I'm inclined to think McCain saw the real suffering the repeal would inflict, but he's probably also aware that a bill that steals health care from millions of the Republicans' own constituents isn't likely to help their chances in 2018. Of course, spending several years portraying the ACA as the devil incarnate and then being unable to come up with a viable alternative isn't going to help the Republicans' chances, either...
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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It's funny that so many people (myself included) thought McCain was being horrible when he voted in favor of the motion to proceed... turns out that he was just setting things up to make sure he could end these constant attempts at horrific health care bills. I still won't call McCain a saint (he still has a reputation for declaring bills horrible and voting for them anyway), but kudos to him for thinking long term.

My question is: how much of this is for the good of the country versus saving the Republican party from itself? I'm inclined to think McCain saw the real suffering the repeal would inflict, but he's probably also aware that a bill that steals health care from millions of the Republicans' own constituents isn't likely to help their chances in 2018. Of course, spending several years portraying the ACA as the devil incarnate and then being unable to come up with a viable alternative isn't going to help the Republicans' chances, either...

Agreed. McCain saved more Repub jobs up on the Hill than any of them would care to admit. Yet, despite all of the blatantly obvious reasons why the GOP controlled House and Senate was so conflicted in producing a replacement plan that was so much better for the working class than the ACA, their approval ratings in their home states remain high.

From a logical point of view, that's insanity defined. But party loyalty transcends reason and logic, so I must assume then that from their point of view it would be insane to NOT keep the faith no matter what.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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It's funny that so many people (myself included) thought McCain was being horrible when he voted in favor of the motion to proceed... turns out that he was just setting things up to make sure he could end these constant attempts at horrific health care bills. I still won't call McCain a saint (he still has a reputation for declaring bills horrible and voting for them anyway), but kudos to him for thinking long term.

My question is: how much of this is for the good of the country versus saving the Republican party from itself? I'm inclined to think McCain saw the real suffering the repeal would inflict, but he's probably also aware that a bill that steals health care from millions of the Republicans' own constituents isn't likely to help their chances in 2018. Of course, spending several years portraying the ACA as the devil incarnate and then being unable to come up with a viable alternative isn't going to help the Republicans' chances, either...

McCain only does for McCain. All his previous votes against the ACA are a matter of public record. If he's weighing his legacy more than what he can get for going along, it reveals how long he thinks he's got.
 

Commodus

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Oct 9, 2004
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McCain only does for McCain. All his previous votes against the ACA are a matter of public record. If he's weighing his legacy more than what he can get for going along, it reveals how long he thinks he's got.

Maybe. Let's put it this way: whatever the motivation, he did something good this time around.
 

norseamd

Lifer
Dec 13, 2013
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It's funny that so many people (myself included) thought McCain was being horrible when he voted in favor of the motion to proceed... turns out that he was just setting things up to make sure he could end these constant attempts at horrific health care bills. I still won't call McCain a saint (he still has a reputation for declaring bills horrible and voting for them anyway), but kudos to him for thinking long term.

My question is: how much of this is for the good of the country versus saving the Republican party from itself? I'm inclined to think McCain saw the real suffering the repeal would inflict, but he's probably also aware that a bill that steals health care from millions of the Republicans' own constituents isn't likely to help their chances in 2018. Of course, spending several years portraying the ACA as the devil incarnate and then being unable to come up with a viable alternative isn't going to help the Republicans' chances, either...

Honestly, I am assuming a lot of the motives of McCain probably have to do more with Trump and Russia than actually any concern for healthcare.
 

Screech

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Oct 20, 2004
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It wouldn't have been born if not for the MTP. Oh, and it's still not dead.

My understanding (which might be wrong, but ....) is that this bill was designed to allow the house and senate to, if it had been passed, work to pass a (potentially completely new) bill under budget reconciliation which only needs a 51-50 vote in the senate, but that the budget reconciliation process is only allowed once per year per topic, 'once' meaning that it either passes or loses in a vote. Now that that vote has taken place, reconciliation cannot be used to repeal or replace obamacare for a year, and so they need a full 60 votes to overturn it which obviously they will not get. Of course, there could be another potential attempt to use reconciliation next year before the midterms but that may or may not look terrible.....hard to say. But by allowing this to come to a vote and then voting no, mccain has basically saved obamacare from being overturned for a year by congressional act, although it can still be killed for poor people by trump basically deciding to not fund the parts that are supposed to help poor people. If McCain had promised to McConnell that he would vote no, the vote probably would not have come up and they would keep trying to make changes before ramming it through, perhaps threatening to turn off power in alaska to blackmail murkowski with, waiting for mccain to die and then be replaced by a more typical republican asshole, or etc to get that last vote this year.....

TL: DR McCain killed the obamacare repeal process in congress for a year.
 

FIVR

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Jun 1, 2016
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Hopefully McBrain and his cancer can shuffle in at the last moment for another thumbs down to save the day. Never mind the womens votes that take it down first. All glory to McBrain and his cancer
 

Noah Abrams

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Feb 15, 2018
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So the news is that McCain is about to go under the ground. I don't suppose this news will make any positive or negative difference to what remains of the families of the hundreds of thousands who have went under the ground in the middle east, a direct consequence of the war he so enthusiastically supported.

The media (both left and right leaning) regularly refer to him as a titan of Senate. What is not clear what makes a titan:

- Being a leech, in other words a career politician. Being there for not years but decades. Therefore not serving the country, but himself. Very much like the other titans of Congress.
- Being a remarkably dumb person. Criticized the bailout program straightaway without even reading (unable to?) the 3 page outline of it.
- Finishing 5th from bottom in a class of 899.

Meanwhile, continued to receive top class health care funded by the tax payer, while consistently opposing the same for millions lesser mortals who didn't have the privilege of being a dumb son of a top dog.

But as soon as he goes, glowing tributes will flow for the titan. And would probably go on for a while as is the case these days. Exaggeration and over the top rhetoric being a hallmark of the current culture.
 
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Ichinisan

Lifer
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So the news is that McCain is about to go under the ground. I don't suppose this news will make any positive or negative difference to what remains of the families of the hundreds of thousands who have went under the ground in the middle east, a direct consequence of the war he so enthusiastically supported.

The media (both left and right leaning) regularly refer to him as a titan of Senate. What is not clear what makes a titan:

- Being a leech, in other words a career politician. Being there for not years but decades. Therefore not serving the country, but himself. Very much like the other titans of Congress.
- Being a remarkably dumb person. Criticized the bailout program straightaway without even reading (unable to?) the 3 page outline of it.
- Finishing 5th from bottom in a class of 899.

Meanwhile, continued to receive top class health care funded by the tax payer, while consistently opposing the same for millions lesser mortals who didn't have the privilege of being a dumb son of a top dog.

But as soon as he goes, glowing tributes will flow for the titan. And would probably go on for a while as is the case these days. Exaggeration and over the top rhetoric being a hallmark of the current culture.

Speaking of "over the top rhetoric" ...
 

Noah Abrams

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More examples of humanities downfall. ^ ^

You could say the downfall started decades ago when this guy who said he was more famous than Jesus (now that I think was over the top), used to go around saying things like these....

I'm sick and tired of hearing things from
Uptight short sided narrow minded hypocritics
All I want is the truth, just give me some truth
I've had enough of reading things
By neurotic psychotic pigheaded politicians
All I want is the truth, just give me some truth


 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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You could say the downfall started decades ago when this guy who said he was more famous than Jesus (now that I think was over the top), used to go around saying things like these....

I'm sick and tired of hearing things from
Uptight short sided narrow minded hypocritics
All I want is the truth, just give me some truth
I've had enough of reading things
By neurotic psychotic pigheaded politicians
All I want is the truth, just give me some truth


Nice dodge. It's about the way you are talking about someone who will probably not be around much longer. I have many disagreements with the man.
 

Noah Abrams

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Nice dodge. It's about the way you are talking about someone who will probably not be around much longer. I have many disagreements with the man.

Not a dodge at all, I was trying to convey something related to this topic.

I absolutely no longer get this supposed respect for someone who is about to go, for someone most moral people can agree has not lead a moral life. There are hundreds of thousands, no ...more, for whom there is no one to talk about before they leave or after they leave. The victims of these politicians. So should one refrain from talking about somebody just because he is about to go, or because he wore a suit all his life?
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Not a dodge at all, I was trying to convey something related to this topic.

I absolutely no longer get this supposed respect for someone who is about to go, for someone most moral people can agree has not lead a moral life. There are hundreds of thousands, no ...more, for whom there is no one to talk about before they leave or after they leave. The victims of these politicians. So should one refrain from talking about somebody just because he is about to go, or because he wore a suit all his life?

Concept of leadership, that is how it rolls. Dont like it? Sucks to be you. Life.
 
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