John Walker Lindh Attacked in Prison

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Cobalt he was not Al queada, he did not attack us. He was forced under gun to defend his tribe or whatever. Honestly I don't think this guy should be in prison he should be working at the CIA. We need human intel and maybe he could get on the inside of the Al Queada network eventually. But NO, The president wanted you to feel safe so they rail-roaded this kid. You are not any safer today just about 45K a year poorer for locking this dude up. Meanwhile how you actually stop covert actions like terror is infiltration is'nt really happening.

If he hadn't of taken up arms against the U.S. he wouldn't have been in the predicament he is today. Even if he didn't originally enlist to fight the USA he was giving comfort and support to those who were.

This is true.

And we know this how? .

Because he was caught with them. You think the CIA or the Military found him sitting in some hooch in Bagram and decided to fabricate his association with the Taliban?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Cobalt he was not Al queada, he did not attack us. He was forced under gun to defend his tribe or whatever. Honestly I don't think this guy should be in prison he should be working at the CIA. We need human intel and maybe he could get on the inside of the Al Queada network eventually. But NO, The president wanted you to feel safe so they rail-roaded this kid. You are not any safer today just about 45K a year poorer for locking this dude up. Meanwhile how you actually stop covert actions like terror is infiltration is'nt really happening.

If he hadn't of taken up arms against the U.S. he wouldn't have been in the predicament he is today. Even if he didn't originally enlist to fight the USA he was giving comfort and support to those who were.

This is true.

And we know this how? .

Because he was caught with them. You think the CIA or the Military found him sitting in some hooch in Bagram and decided to fabricate his association with the Taliban?

Red they found him barley alive in a town full of taliban troops as well as civilians in Mazar-i-Sharif. I have no idea where you guys get this notion he had an AK or any other weapons when found half dead after they cluster bombed the place. And prosecution lawyers even said they have no direct evidence that Mr Walker shot at Americans. They relied entirly on his tortured testimony which he was later not allowed to recind. Man this is not the way we should be treating peoples lives? ...http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1908618.stm

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Why exactly is this innocent man in jail? Who did he hurt?

are you for real??? do you watch the news?? or are you just an instigator..

Don't you know that everybody in Prison is Innocent?

yes, especially since he pleaded guilty

Actually my comment was parroting a line from "Shawshank Redemption"

i was actually replying to someone who posted above you, but enjoyed your quote

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: rickn
I heard that prison now produces vaseline. coincidence?

"An ounce of Vaseline is worth a pound of Preparation-H."

- M4H

 

[jurzdevil]

Originally posted by: Kyteland

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
Very nice.

That traitor deserves it.

Why is it that when an American criticizes the system you are all coming out of the woodwork to say "Well if you don't like it then leave. We don't want you here", but when somebody does leave you are all jumping over each other to nail him to the wall for being a traitor?

he was still an american citizen adnt took up arms against our forces. if you dont like it, leave and forget about us. get rid of your citizenship and dont join a fight against us.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Cobalt he was not Al queada, he did not attack us. He was forced under gun to defend his tribe or whatever. Honestly I don't think this guy should be in prison he should be working at the CIA. We need human intel and maybe he could get on the inside of the Al Queada network eventually. But NO, The president wanted you to feel safe so they rail-roaded this kid. You are not any safer today just about 45K a year poorer for locking this dude up. Meanwhile how you actually stop covert actions like terror is infiltration is'nt really happening.

If he hadn't of taken up arms against the U.S. he wouldn't have been in the predicament he is today. Even if he didn't originally enlist to fight the USA he was giving comfort and support to those who were.

This is true.

And we know this how? .

Because he was caught with them. You think the CIA or the Military found him sitting in some hooch in Bagram and decided to fabricate his association with the Taliban?

Red they found him barley alive in a town full of taliban troops as well as civilians in Mazar-i-Sharif. I have no idea where you guys get this notion he had an AK or any other weapons when found half dead after they cluster bombed the place. And prosecution lawyers even said they have no direct evidence that Mr Walker shot at Americans. They relied entirly on his tortured testimony which he was later not allowed to recind. Man this is not the way we should be treating peoples lives? ...http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1908618.stm

American Justice the Ashcroft way!

 

[Mill]

Was JWL not in the prison uprising as well? You know the one that lead to the death of a CIA agent from Alabama.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Millennium
Was JW not in the prison uprising as well? You know the one that lead to the death of a CIA agent from Alabama.

He was at the prison but he didn't participate and wasn't charged in the death of the agent

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Cobalt he was not Al queada, he did not attack us. He was forced under gun to defend his tribe or whatever. Honestly I don't think this guy should be in prison he should be working at the CIA. We need human intel and maybe he could get on the inside of the Al Queada network eventually. But NO, The president wanted you to feel safe so they rail-roaded this kid. You are not any safer today just about 45K a year poorer for locking this dude up. Meanwhile how you actually stop covert actions like terror is infiltration is'nt really happening.

If he hadn't of taken up arms against the U.S. he wouldn't have been in the predicament he is today. Even if he didn't originally enlist to fight the USA he was giving comfort and support to those who were.

This is true.

And we know this how? .

Because he was caught with them. You think the CIA or the Military found him sitting in some hooch in Bagram and decided to fabricate his association with the Taliban?

Red they found him barley alive in a town full of taliban troops as well as civilians in Mazar-i-Sharif. I have no idea where you guys get this notion he had an AK or any other weapons when found half dead after they cluster bombed the place. And prosecution lawyers even said they have no direct evidence that Mr Walker shot at Americans. They relied entirly on his tortured testimony which he was later not allowed to recind. Man this is not the way we should be treating peoples lives? ...http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1908618.stm

American Justice the Ashcroft way!

He was prosecuted to condition public opinion to even more repressive and dictatorial measures, without even the pretenses of due process. Padilla, They said we don't even need a stinking civil court room anymore

Only congress has this right but Bush has taken it anyways.
ACLU
and Again

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Millennium
Was JWL not in the prison uprising as well? You know the one that lead to the death of a CIA agent from Alabama.

He was in a prison the "northern alliance" (who by anyones measure is no better than taliban) put all males in the town in.

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: jurzdevil

Originally posted by: Kyteland

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
Very nice.

That traitor deserves it.

Why is it that when an American criticizes the system you are all coming out of the woodwork to say "Well if you don't like it then leave. We don't want you here", but when somebody does leave you are all jumping over each other to nail him to the wall for being a traitor?

he was still an american citizen adnt took up arms against our forces. if you dont like it, leave and forget about us. get rid of your citizenship and dont join a fight against us.

I was making a comment in the hope of spurring intelligent conversation. While the right to original thought isn't explicitly guaranteed in the Bill of Right, my right to free speech is. If you don't like it then leave.

Can't you see how moronic that tired argument is? In almost every post where I've seen that used it comes off as "Your thoughts are different than mine and I don't want to even consider the fact that they may have some merit. My way is the American way so you must be unamerican. Why don't you just pack up and leave."

Sure there may be a few cases where somebody ought to just pick up and get out because they really don't belong here. But the amount that it is said onthis board is just rediculous.

 

[KGB1]

I don't think this is the first time Lindh was "attacked" in prison. As a matter of fact I'm sure in Afghanistan he must have had alot of fun with the local guerilla fighters whom he was bunking with everynight.

 

[Yeeny]

When someone is sent to prison, the time they serve is their punishment. No one deserves to be beaten while they are in there. I hate when people act like that kind of treatment is ok, or even good. You serve your time, you lose your life for that period, that is your punishment. I for one, pity anyone that is treated like that in prison.

 

[DurocShark]

Especially if you're declared an "enemy combatant" by the US where they're allowed to keep you indefinitely before ever charging you or convicting you.

Enemy combatant + US Citizen = Fun in prison

Duh

He was at the prison but he didn't participate and wasn't charged in the death of the agent

Doesn't anybody else find this suspicious? Or is bad luck just following this poor bastard around?

"Honestly, I was just VACATIONING in Baghram, taking in the sights, enjoying the local color! Then these bombs fell on me! Some people ran up and put this outfit on me too! I was wearing Levi's and a t-shirt! Usama who? I've never seen that thank you card before! What? It has my name on it?"

LoL Ok, that was stretching, but seriously... C'mon. When he left for Afghanistan, the Taliban regime was already on the US sh1t list, Usama was on the America's Most Wanted list, and the Al Quaeda (sp?) had been implicated in terrorist bombings for years.

I don't think any treatment is too severe in this case.

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Why exactly is this innocent man in jail? Who did he hurt?

are you for real??? do you watch the news?? or are you just an instigator..

Don't you know that everybody in Prison is Innocent?

Red was guilty, remember he was the only one.

 

[Pastfinder]

bump

 

[Aceshigh]

20 years is too lenient a sentence for him. John Walker Lindh did have connections to Al Quada. Don't forget, he actually met Osama Bin Laden. Plus, do you really think he didn't play a part in the prison uprising where Mike Spann was killed? He did not cooperate with the CIA when they tried to interrogate him earlier, and I am sure when the uprising started he didn't just meekly stand in the corner. He was fighting the guards as well. He may have been one of the group that killed Mike Spann.

 

[Howard]

A long time ago the punishment for treason was death. I think.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Atleast I voice my opinion along

Then who are you to tell people to mind there own.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
20 years is too lenient a sentence for him. John Walker Lindh did have connections to Al Quada. Don't forget, he actually met Osama Bin Laden. Plus, do you really think he didn't play a part in the prison uprising where Mike Spann was killed? He did not cooperate with the CIA when they tried to interrogate him earlier, and I am sure when the uprising started he didn't just meekly stand in the corner. He was fighting the guards as well. He may have been one of the group that killed Mike Spann.

Actual pictures of Lindh not cooperating with the CIA

Muslim inmates had been protecting Lindh because they saw him as a hero, but withdrew their support when Lindh rejected their radical views.
It doesn't seem to me that he is some kind of traitorous Al Qaeda operative, just a really stupid kid who was made a scapegoat because of America's lust for revenge after 9/11. He got what he deserved, 20 years.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

My faith says that I shouldn't feel the way I do, but too bad. I'm human. Fry the bastard.

You are already burning in your own private hell then.

 

[Zebo]

He got what he deserved, 20 years.

I could agree with that If I could believe all the evidence and he was given a fair trial. But that not what happened. 100% of the case was brought about by what he said, held for 54 days as you see him in that picture or worse without seeing an attoney or human rights worker, and later when in public court he tried to recind it all was'nt allowed. I just can't stop asking myself, If the government had nothing to hide, why not give him due process, and why later change the newer cases to military tribunals? It's amazing how much faith people place in thier government IMO.

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I'm so proud of American criminals. I'm a man of God and naturally have some inhibitions, but our wonderfull American criminals can express all the vile mean contempt and hate burried in my soul for me and I can stand by and cheer and still go to church on Sunday. I hope they kill that worthless bastard but during the work week, of course.

Hey loonie, did you and your buddies to anything special for Stalin's 50th death-day?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I'm so proud of American criminals. I'm a man of God and naturally have some inhibitions, but our wonderfull American criminals can express all the vile mean contempt and hate burried in my soul for me and I can stand by and cheer and still go to church on Sunday. I hope they kill that worthless bastard but during the work week, of course.

Hey loonie, did you and your buddies to anything special for Stalin's 50th death-day?

I hear they got together with Ashcroft and knocked back a few Stoly's

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Stark

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I'm so proud of American criminals. I'm a man of God and naturally have some inhibitions, but our wonderfull American criminals can express all the vile mean contempt and hate burried in my soul for me and I can stand by and cheer and still go to church on Sunday. I hope they kill that worthless bastard but during the work week, of course.

Hey loonie, did you and your buddies to anything special for Stalin's 50th death-day?

I hear they got together with Ashcroft and knocked back a few Stoly's

i suspect loonie actually IS ashcroft. He's just really really good at hiding it.