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Lifer
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The fault of the democrats is in failing to cultivate younger nationally marketable politicians in their 30’s, 40’s and 50’s.

In the absence of a younger dynamic candidate continuing with Biden is the only logical position.

2028 the Dems will have to find a decent candidate not in their 70’s/80’s.
 

Pohemi

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Impressive you are doubling down on Dean Phillips being an actual serious candidate in what is a formality of a primary. That is MAGA level of a detachment from reality.

You completely missed his point/meaning. Dean Phillips is not a good candidate; not widely popular or recognizable. Choosing Dean (over Biden) in the primary would be disastrous.

Stop being so determined to be mad at everyone. And use some reading comprehension. This is the frothing I mentioned.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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Jon Stewart hosted the daily show last night for the first time since he left many years back, and will be doing so every Monday this year. Most of the first twenty minutes he spent talking about us having Trump/Biden again.

He tackled the age subject pretty quickly. He called out both and he definitely called out Biden for his failings and the Dems for this being the candidate they bring to the table, again. He definitely called out how bad Biden looked, and he even mentioned how Biden skipped an easy Superbowl interview and it was stupid, and how could the Democrats come up with this guy as the candidate in an election so important.

Wow. The exact things SOME of the pseudo-intellectuals on this thread tore into me for.

This is early on in the campaign cycle so he is just setting the stage, and I am quite sure he will be painting the picture over the next months that you have to vote for Biden, as I stated. But it was refreshing to see this guy tell it how it is now. Instead of being a head in the sand pseudo intellectual like some posters here.

I guess some of y'all should head down to the Daily Show with pitchforks. I find it refreshing that Jon Stewart can tell the truth here, and I appreciate him basically backing up everything I said. Enjoy the video if you watch it.

I dont think you understand whats going on here.
This is where Jon starts in an effort to trawl as many individuals as humanly possible along for a ride, a ride that can only end at one destination. Jon is smart. Might even be clever.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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I dont think you understand whats going on here.
This is where Jon starts in an effort to trawl as many individuals as humanly possible along for a ride, a ride that can only end at one destination. Jon is smart. Might even be clever.
Yes because Jon has long proven he is nothing but a troll in all his years as a tv and comedy personality.

You really believe the shit you type btw?

Or maybe I missed how Jon Stewart has shown us he is just an insincere troll and just faking his actual progressive and Democrat values. Please provide your proof that Jon Stewart is just another troll or maybe you are just saying that to deny the reality we are in right now. Shoot us some links.
 
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Moonbeam

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I watched this:
before I watched Jon Stewart and came away from both with the feeling that Jon Stewart is an idiot.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
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You completely missed his point/meaning. Dean Phillips is not a good candidate; not widely popular or recognizable. Choosing Dean (over Biden) in the primary would be disastrous.

Stop being so determined to be mad at everyone. And use some reading comprehension. This is the frothing I mentioned.
You are not understanding what he is saying Pohemi. He literally used the NC primary results to show that Democrats overwhelmingly prefer Biden over anything else, totally saying the Dean Philips candidacy is a serious candidate and thus a measurable metric of Biden's overwhelming popularity. He doubles down in this thread specifically saying that yes, Dean is a serious candidate after I just told him he was not a serious candidate (as in not recognizable or popular)

Just try reading it again instead of your knee jerk reaction to think I'm just spouting nonsense.
 

akugami

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It doesn't matter whether a candidate is compelling. It matters whether they can win. Because there is no prize for 2nd place. There is no sharing of power. And very importantly, Biden beat Trump, which gives him a very good chance of doing it again.

Your bolded words are important.

It's not whether I feel like Biden is too old. I do. Many here do. The issue is, we look at reality and know that Biden has the best chance to beat an old senile dictator wannabe in Trump.

Things are not black and white. Even if I feel Biden is too old, which I do, if he has the best realistic chance of beating Trump, and preventing another shit-show, then I'm all for Biden. I'd wager many feel that way.

When someone takes an extremist view, regardless of whether you lean right or left, then they pigeonhole themselves into one line of thought. They lose the ability to think objectively. Thus, those who look solely at age, at the exclusion of all else, are taking an unrealistic look at the situation. I'd prefer if someone like Newsome ran, but it ain't happening this round.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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I watched this:
before I watched Jon Stewart and came away from both with the feeling that Jon Stewart is an idiot.
This was one show and in early February of an election year. Based on Jon's history I fully expect him to lay out the case for the Dem nominee; I have not seen anything from his long record in the public domain that he would do otherwise.

Maybe he is sick of the section of Dems in total denial about the actual reality on the ground and just wanted to set the stage in reality first. Again, mostly everything in John's long-running career on TV/podcasts/etc..shows he is a true progressive and Democrat fighting for basically all that we believe in here as left of center Dems. If he did this a month before the election, I would have called him a douchebag immediately.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
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Your bolded words are important.

It's not whether I feel like Biden is too old. I do. Many here do. The issue is, we look at reality and know that Biden has the best chance to beat an old senile dictator wannabe in Trump.

Things are not black and white. Even if I feel Biden is too old, which I do, if he has the best realistic chance of beating Trump, and preventing another shit-show, then I'm all for Biden. I'd wager many feel that way.

When someone takes an extremist view, regardless of whether you lean right or left, then they pigeonhole themselves into one line of thought. They lose the ability to think objectively. Thus, those who look solely at age, at the exclusion of all else, are taking an unrealistic look at the situation. I'd prefer if someone like Newsome ran, but it ain't happening this round.
Then just admit he is too old and a relatively weak candidate and you wish the Dems did better - when you talk to people who are turned off by Biden but either will likely still vote for him or need some more inspiration to do so. Then say after you admit that, this is why you must vote for Biden. Meet people in reality then engage them there. If we listened to a couple posters here - they have said those people are insane and not worth even talking to. Which is nuts. Then you listen to some other posters and Biden is the greatest ever and just trouncing this primary as proof that he is the overwhelming choice. I mean that's insane.

The issue I'm having is with people in complete denial of how this race feels in reality to a majority of people, not including MAGA. and not including political junkies like us. Regular folks turned off completely by this whole process.
 

thraashman

Lifer
Apr 10, 2000
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The fault of the democrats is in failing to cultivate younger nationally marketable politicians in their 30’s, 40’s and 50’s.

In the absence of a younger dynamic candidate continuing with Biden is the only logical position.

2028 the Dems will have to find a decent candidate not in their 70’s/80’s.
I think the problem lies in that the younger generation of Democratic voters and potential politicans are more left leaning than the national Democratic populace and voter. The younger left are simply MORE left than the older.

The right is also more right, FAR more right in fact. But the push rightward was actually lead by the older Fox News watching generation on the Republican side. The older generation already being in charge on the right made it easier to push the party as a whole further from center.
 

Moonbeam

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Jon Stewart hosted the daily show last night for the first time since he left many years back, and will be doing so every Monday this year. Most of the first twenty minutes he spent talking about us having Trump/Biden again.

He tackled the age subject pretty quickly. He called out both and he definitely called out Biden for his failings and the Dems for this being the candidate they bring to the table, again. He definitely called out how bad Biden looked, and he even mentioned how Biden skipped an easy Superbowl interview and it was stupid, and how could the Democrats come up with this guy as the candidate in an election so important.

Wow. The exact things SOME of the pseudo-intellectuals on this thread tore into me for.

This is early on in the campaign cycle so he is just setting the stage, and I am quite sure he will be painting the picture over the next months that you have to vote for Biden, as I stated. But it was refreshing to see this guy tell it how it is now. Instead of being a head in the sand pseudo intellectual like some posters here.

I guess some of y'all should head down to the Daily Show with pitchforks. I find it refreshing that Jon Stewart can tell the truth here, and I appreciate him basically backing up everything I said. Enjoy the video if you watch it.

I think you are confusing the fact that Republicans will mire any opposition in utter and complete shit no matter who they are or what their age. If the Democrats ran a younger man than trump it would only turn into a shit fest about how he lacks experience and is green behind the ears and in youthful exuberance drive us all off a cliff. You are just reacting to your own hatred and fear. They are tied together like a knot. Everything you fear already happened to you long ago. Check our how mindful meditation can change the structure of your brain. Not good to live in such an amped up state all the time. The media has you right where they want you, on edge. The sicker you are the more appeal their ads will be for all kinds of drugs. Ask your doctor if high doses of Moonbeam are right for you. I'm your doctor and the answer is yes.
 
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cytg111

Lifer
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Yes because Jon has long proven he is nothing but a troll in all his years as a tv and comedy personality.

You really believe the shit you type btw?

Or maybe I missed how Jon Stewart has shown us he is just an insincere troll and just faking his actual progressive and Democrat values. Please provide your proof that Jon Stewart is just another troll or maybe you are just saying that to deny the reality we are in right now. Shoot us some links.
Ill catch you in 14 days when you're on your way down again.

Anyway, what's the first rule when negotiating with a toddler? Acknowledge his feelings.
And that is what *that* was.

If anyone in media understands the dangers of Trump its Jon and his heart is above board. If Tucker is the anti Christ then Jon is the Christ. Not For Sale.
Just wait and watch. Ill wait.
 

Moonbeam

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This was one show and in early February of an election year. Based on Jon's history I fully expect him to lay out the case for the Dem nominee; I have not seen anything from his long record in the public domain that he would do otherwise.

Maybe he is sick of the section of Dems in total denial about the actual reality on the ground and just wanted to set the stage in reality first. Again, mostly everything in John's long-running career on TV/podcasts/etc..shows he is a true progressive and Democrat fighting for basically all that we believe in here as left of center Dems. If he did this a month before the election, I would have called him a douchebag immediately.
Thank you for this post. Like you, I also get pissed by the truth I see that O'Donnell made clear. The media is mentally ill and the Stewart thing plays right into their age horse shit. I will try to relax.
 
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GoPackGo

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Biden is too old. Biden probably has memory issues. Still leagues better than Trump. I would imagine he would not be running if Trump hadn't ran again and all Republicans didn't get down on their knees to worship him.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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Ill catch you in 14 days when you're on your way down again.

Anyway, what's the first rule when negotiating with a toddler? Acknowledge his feelings.
And that is what *that* was.

If anyone in media understands the dangers of Trump its Jon and his heart is above board. If Tucker is the anti Christ then Jon is the Christ. Not For Sale.
Just wait and watch. Ill wait.

so that's your proof that Jon Stewart is a professional troll and has been faking us out?

That's a long way to say that you ain't got shit, just your feelings. I thought facts over feelings man?
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
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I watched this:
before I watched Jon Stewart and came away from both with the feeling that Jon Stewart is an idiot.
I get your point. There are many ways to skin a cat and Jon Stewert is a comedian.

BTW - Very intelligent piece by LOD
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
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Biden is too old. Biden probably has memory issues. Still leagues better than Trump. I would imagine he would not be running if Trump hadn't ran again and all Republicans didn't get down on their knees to worship him.

I don't know why people keep saying this as I have never said or implied anything remotely close that Trump & Biden are in the same league. It's black and white shit, totally evil vs good.
 

Moonbeam

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I get your point. There are many ways to skin a cat and Jon Stewert is a comedian.

BTW - Very intelligent piece by LOD
Thanks. I am not in the mood for humor. Too much rides on the election and none of it has a thing to do with Biden's age. The media hoopla over the age issue between two older men and focusing on one of them is disgusting. Trump is regarded more favorably on the economy than Biden. Without billionaire control of the media how the fuck would that happen. We not only have to take back our country from the fascists, we have to take back the news too. The country is brain dead.
 
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MrSquished

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It's a good video. When I'm canvassing voters and knocking on doors, I will use that line 'On his worst day, Biden is better than Trump on his best'
 
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Pohemi

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You really believe the shit you type btw?

Or maybe I missed how Jon Stewart has shown us he is just an insincere troll and just faking his actual progressive and Democrat values. Please provide your proof that Jon Stewart is just another troll or maybe you are just saying that to deny the reality we are in right now. Shoot us some links.
It's almost like you make a facetious remark with exaggeration, and after a post or two, you credit someone else with having said it, and proceed to rail against them for several pages.

Hell, you started this thread just to say, "SEE!?!" when it could have been posted in the same thread where the argument started. You have to drag shit across the forums. And you'll be bringing it up six months from now.
You are not understanding what he is saying Pohemi. He literally used the NC primary results to show that Democrats overwhelmingly prefer Biden over anything else, totally saying the Dean Philips candidacy is a serious candidate and thus a measurable metric of Biden's overwhelming popularity. He doubles down in this thread specifically saying that yes, Dean is a serious candidate after I just told him he was not a serious candidate (as in not recognizable or popular)

Just try reading it again instead of your knee jerk reaction to think I'm just spouting nonsense.
No, no he didn't.
Take your own advice and read it again, but this time read it without raging. Maybe slow down too so you can comprehend it.

so that's your proof that Jon Stewart is a professional troll and has been faking us out?

That's a long way to say that you ain't got shit, just your feelings. I thought facts over feelings man?
Just as no one said Dean was a good candidate, nobody stated that Jon Stewart is a troll. And yet you've repeated and ranted about this supposed claim that didn't happen.

Putting words in other's mouths, and being endlessly facetious when you feel "vindicated" even if it's on false pretenses.
 
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Franz316

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Yeah Biden is old and has occasional brain farts. But let's face it, it's between him and a malignant narcissist going psychotic with fascist tendencies. I really hope Americans can see the bigger picture here. I myself find it hard to believe that Trump became more popular in the last four years, and it is unlikely he can win one of MI, PA, WI, and all of GA, NV, and AZ.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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so that's your proof that Jon Stewart is a professional troll and has been faking us out?

That's a long way to say that you ain't got shit, just your feelings. I thought facts over feelings man?
Did I say I had proof? That is my personal take, nothing more nothing less. You're the one that're talking about Jon being a troll and faking and what the shit not.

* what medication are you on right now * ???? - Or not on!
 
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akugami

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Then just admit he is too old and a relatively weak candidate and you wish the Dems did better - when you talk to people who are turned off by Biden but either will likely still vote for him or need some more inspiration to do so. Then say after you admit that, this is why you must vote for Biden. Meet people in reality then engage them there. If we listened to a couple posters here - they have said those people are insane and not worth even talking to. Which is nuts. Then you listen to some other posters and Biden is the greatest ever and just trouncing this primary as proof that he is the overwhelming choice. I mean that's insane.

The issue I'm having is with people in complete denial of how this race feels in reality to a majority of people, not including MAGA. and not including political junkies like us. Regular folks turned off completely by this whole process.

I disagree with your premise Biden has no chance.

Biden is older than I would like, by a long shot. But he is the best Democratic candidate at this point in time. It is my opinion that Biden has the most realistic at this point to defeat Trump. And it is a very real chance, not some fantasy.

I would prefer someone like a Newsome, but I don't think he is quite ready for the big stage yet. Part of that is the popularity contest aspect, and Biden is a bigger name than Newsome at the moment. I also think Trump is a bigger name at this moment as well.

For what it's worth, I think Jon Stewart would make a very competent president. But he is not a realistic candidate either.
 
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