Jon Stewart is back, and some of y'all gonna be mad

[HomerJS]

Popular radio host Charlamagne tha God critics Joe Biden and some possible solutions. It was a fair evaluation.

Charlamagne tha God on Trump-Biden rematch: A 'threat to democracy' vs. 'uninspiring candidate'

Charlamagne tha God said on ABC News' "This Week" that "nobody is inspired" by the 2024 election and "nobody wants to see" the likely rematch between Biden and Trump.

abcnews.go.com

 

[hal2kilo]

Popular radio host Charlamagne tha God critics Joe Biden and some possible solutions. It was a fair evaluation.

Charlamagne tha God on Trump-Biden rematch: A 'threat to democracy' vs. 'uninspiring candidate'

Charlamagne tha God said on ABC News' "This Week" that "nobody is inspired" by the 2024 election and "nobody wants to see" the likely rematch between Biden and Trump.

abcnews.go.com

Who the F is he, and why are we supposed to care?

 

[nakedfrog]

Who the F is he, and why are we supposed to care?

Even GettyRoad knows who Charlamagne tha God is and how much sway he holds over popular opinion.

The joke here is that I'm not joking, this is one of the celebrities that goober has name dropped, at least he's not an athlete from the 80s?

 

[dlerious]

The Rs where not always this nhillistic and did occasionally pass things that helped regular people.

Medicare Part D would be an example. Though Ds also get credit and have just rolled back the prohibition on Medicare negotiating drug price in the IRA which will lower out of pocket costs to consumers and overall program costs.

10 drugs and prices take effect in 2026. In the meantime, I wouldn't be surprised if the drug companies start jacking prices up on those drugs to recover lost profits.

500 Drugs from Over 140 Brands Are Expected to Cost More This Year

Reuters broke the news that the approximately 500 drugs in the US are supposed to increase in January 2024.

pharmanewsintel.com

 

[dlerious]

One would think/hope that the alternative to Biden - trump - is motivation enough to vote for Biden.

This is where many people will then say "but both sides (tm) are bad" when, regardless of whether that is true or not, one side is clearly, clearly worse.

So yes, on the one hand, meeting people where they are is necessary.
On the other hand, if people haven't figured out that trump is an existential threat to democracy, can you really blame others for being frustrated with that?

What if Trump is convicted and can't hold office?

 

[nakedfrog]

10 drugs and prices take effect in 2026. In the meantime, I wouldn't be surprised if the drug companies start jacking prices up on those drugs to recover lost profits.

500 Drugs from Over 140 Brands Are Expected to Cost More This Year

Reuters broke the news that the approximately 500 drugs in the US are supposed to increase in January 2024.

pharmanewsintel.com

As opposed to other previous years, where they jack up prices on drugs to make increased profits...

 

[nakedfrog]

What if Trump is convicted and can't hold office?

Does the GOP have a surprise non-shit candidate they're hiding behind their back? Probably someone we don't know, because they go to school in Canada?

 

[MrSquished]

Popular radio host Charlamagne tha God critics Joe Biden and some possible solutions. It was a fair evaluation.

Charlamagne tha God on Trump-Biden rematch: A 'threat to democracy' vs. 'uninspiring candidate'

Charlamagne tha God said on ABC News' "This Week" that "nobody is inspired" by the 2024 election and "nobody wants to see" the likely rematch between Biden and Trump.

abcnews.go.com

Who cares what he thinks. No interest in reaching out to pseudo-celebrities. I think the people we need to reach out to are the people we know and interact with who are not Republicans or fake Libertarians. They are safe to walk among us, we just need to maintain a solid dialogue in support of Joe Biden vs Trump or any GQP for that matter. Acknowledge his strong weaknesses while making the case crystal clear of why every vote counts for Biden.

If Trump can't run for any reason, whoever the GQP nominates, Trump will order his troops to stay home. Then it's a popularity contest of how many people are more MAGA than Republicans, probably a lot, and how many people who were on the fence about Biden but wanted to beat Trump, would think they still need to vote for Biden.

 

[manly]

Not sure which thread to put this in. But for those like Jon Stewart trying to state that both old guys are bad hombres, noted historian Kayleigh McEnany disagrees with presidential scholars:

Salon - "Infuriating": Kayleigh McEnany fumes after historians rank Trump "dead last" in president survey

 

[MrSquished]

Not sure which thread to put this in. But for those like Jon Stewart trying to state that both old guys are bad hombres, noted historian Kayleigh McEnany disagrees with presidential scholars:

Salon - "Infuriating": Kayleigh McEnany fumes after historians rank Trump "dead last" in president survey

I saw this list the other day and its great. Biden is above Reagan too, which is completely correct.

I still have no idea where Jon Stewart said he thinks Biden is a bad guy. Got a quote?

 

[akugami]

Who cares what he thinks. No interest in reaching out to pseudo-celebrities. I think the people we need to reach out to are the people we know and interact with who are not Republicans or fake Libertarians. They are safe to walk among us, we just need to maintain a solid dialogue in support of Joe Biden vs Trump or any GQP for that matter. Acknowledge his strong weaknesses while making the case crystal clear of why every vote counts for Biden.

If Trump can't run for any reason, whoever the GQP nominates, Trump will order his troops to stay home. Then it's a popularity contest of how many people are more MAGA than Republicans, probably a lot, and how many people who were on the fence about Biden but wanted to beat Trump, would think they still need to vote for Biden.

This thread is literally about the thoughts of a pseudo-celebrity. Just because you don't like what another person (Charlamagne tha God) thinks, you dismiss it out of hand.

I read the article presented by @HomerJS. I read Charlamagne's thoughts. I can't find fault with it. I may not agree with all of it, but I understand where he's coming from. Charlamagne's opinions aren't some random bullshit and I found a lot of it is well thought out and logically presented.

 

[MrSquished]

This thread is literally about the thoughts of a pseudo-celebrity. Just because you don't like what another person (Charlamagne tha God) thinks, you dismiss it out of hand.

I read the article presented by @HomerJS. I read Charlamagne's thoughts. I can't find fault with it. I may not agree with all of it, but I understand where he's coming from. Charlamagne's opinions aren't some random bullshit and I found a lot of it is well thought out and logically presented.

I did not read the interview with that guy but really sorry to break it to you that Jon Stewart and Charlemagne are not the same kind of celebrity.

I'm not talking about who's bigger or more famous. But you can't even put them in the same context.

edit: I did read Charlemagne's comments. I do agree with most of them except that he can't endorse Biden. That is just stupid. I am all for strongly acknowledging disappointment in the Dems and Biden as the candidate, because it's a serious problem - which is what I've said and been attacked for, but at the end of the day, that honesty has to end with a strong endorsement of Biden. Which is also what I've always maintained. It's dumb to be like - well this guy will kill you, but I can't endorse the other guy, even after acknowledging his serious shortfalls.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I might bave to start listening to this Charlamaign guy. I think he perfectly captured the "Age" issue with the following:

"[Biden] has no main character energy at all, none"

Trump is only four years younger but "he just comes off a lot more youthful."

I can't believe so much hot air has been pushed around on this "issue" and no pundits have just said it plain like that.

"And I always say this about him: Donald Trump seems more sincere about his lies than Joe Biden does about his truth,"

That's a problem all Dems seem to have. Too cerebral, too nuanced. Trump will say absolute horseshit to your face with such resounding confidence that for a split second you'll believe him, and a lot of low info or tribal Republicans do to the point of almost cultish worship.

Dems don't have a guy like that even with the benefit of the truth on their side.

 

[manly]

I might bave to start listening to this Charlamaign guy. I think he perfectly captured the "Age" issue with the following:

"[Biden] has no main character energy at all, none"

Trump is only four years younger but "he just comes off a lot more youthful."

I can't believe so much hot air has been pushed around on this "issue" and no pundits have just said it plain like that.

"And I always say this about him: Donald Trump seems more sincere about his lies than Joe Biden does about his truth,"

That's a problem all Dems seem to have. Too cerebral, too nuanced. Trump will say absolute horseshit to your face with such resounding confidence that for a split second you'll believe him, and a lot of low info or tribal Republicans do to the point of almost cultish worship.

Dems don't have a guy like that even with the benefit of the truth on their side.

"The couch is winning." I'd never listened to this guy before in my life.

Obviously because Donald Trump can spout his stream-of-consciousness malarkey for an hour at a MAGA rally, his base thinks he's still sharp and astute. Never mind that it's all a bunch of hot air intermixed with a lot of wild stuff that makes you question his mental acuity. And yes because Joe doesn't have that "main character energy" and has always been gaffe-prone, people assume he's far older than the Donald.

Never mind that Trump is the guy who confused E. Jean Carroll with his second wife Marla Maples, amongst an endless litany of buffoonery.

It was a good segment with ABC News, but I had to stop at the 7 minute mark. After he said that he wants Kamala to be more prominent (reality check: voters dislike her as much as any big name politician). And esp. after he falsely claimed that Democrats always paint the Republican presidential candidate as a threat to democracy. We've disagreed with Republicans on policy, but we didn't dunk on Mitt Romney or John McCain for their patriotism. Charlamagne basically lost the plot at this point.

 

[soulcougher73]

I have many criticism of Biden. But that wont keep me from voting against Trump, who is an actual danger to this country. Both are old and have age related issues. I wish the Dems would prop up another younger candidate like Newsom for example. At least Biden is willing to listen to his staff and do the right thing for the country.

 

[Pens1566]

I have many criticism of Biden. But that wont keep me from voting against Trump, who is an actual danger to this country. Both are old and have age related issues. I wish the Dems would prop up another younger candidate like Newsom for example. At least Biden is willing to listen to his staff and do the right thing for the country.

Yep. This is the political equivalent of a patient coming into the ER with GSW to the chest and an infected ingrown finger nail. You fix the life threatening situation first, and worry about the nuisance later.

 

[Jaskalas]

Dems don't have a guy like that even with the benefit of the truth on their side.

Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama. In fact, youthful charisma is the ENTIRE REASON those two became President in the first place. They are the blueprint for how you get someone elected. They tell a story and share a vision of a future the American people want. Then they go out and vote for it.

That's just not Biden.

I have many criticism of Biden. But that wont keep me from voting against Trump, who is an actual danger to this country.

The discussion would be our need for "main character energy", a public speaker who can lead a campaign and rally the American people against Trump.
To convince people who are NOT already convinced.

 

[pmv]

The tetchiness about John Stewart's "bit" makes me a bit more sympathetic to MrSquished's point (not that I've paid much attention to the argument up till now, really couldn't work out what he was so annoyed about).

But JS seemed pretty-much correct, to me. He's a humourist and satirist, poking fun is his job. And the flaws of Biden are not, as some here seem to imagine, in opposition to those of Trump, they are both manifestations of the same underlying flaws of the hugely-dysfunctional US system. He _is_ too old, and not great at concealing that, and he's a wishy-washy centrist at best. Not really worth defending to the death against all criticism, no matter what the basis of it is. You don't have to pretend the system is otherwise flawless in order to be against Trump - in fact doing so is just aiding Trump.

Even if you see off the grifting racist the system will continue to be dysfunctional, especially if you insist on pretending everything else is fine, you'll just see the rise of another figure much the same (but possibly more competent).

It's not so much about treating a gunshot wound over an ingrowing toenail, it's more like treating the heart attack while acknowledging the patient has a BMI of 50, and that the two issues are not unrelated.

 

[Stokely]

I wish Biden the candidate was younger, if only so that he gets reelected.

The reality is, I've liked a lot of what he's managed to do even with a hostile pack of cretins in Congress, and if he were to keel over I wouldn't expect the government to radically change (particularly the people actually running departments) if Kamala Harris were to take over.

I don't give two shits about someone's "energy" or personality when it comes to doing the job. That's all celebrity candidate crap.

Put aside all the comparisons of the people and look at the policies they have/will have, and look at the people they have appointed/will appoint. That's where it's absolutely no contest, not close. The Democrats would easily win a pros vs cons spreadsheet were I to make one (and I did in 2016 that included Gary Johnson). That doesn't mean I'm some kind of Democrat fan(atic), at best they are "meh" but they are creatures living in the sewer of government and I'd reasonably expect nothing better. Lesser evil is what I vote for. Someone can look at these things and feel differently, sure enough...my entire family for instance.

 

[Pens1566]

What exactly is he "too old" for, if in the last 3+ years he's been able to do the job that he has? I agree it isn't the prettiest picture to see a typical elderly man on camera, but what does that have to do with it?

Kind of brings up the old bit about FDR being wheelchair bound, but since visuals weren't a real big thing for vast majority of the country, it was more about his ability in the job itself instead of the optics or performative nonsense associated with it. Now apply that same thing to Biden ... interesting thought exercise.

Can't really say anywhere near the same about TFG. At least not with any semblance of reality.

 

[manly]

What exactly is he "too old" for, if in the last 3+ years he's been able to do the job that he has? I agree it isn't the prettiest picture to see a typical elderly man on camera, but what does that have to do with it?

Kind of brings up the old bit about FDR being wheelchair bound, but since visuals weren't a real big thing for vast majority of the country, it was more about his ability in the job itself instead of the optics or performative nonsense associated with it. Now apply that same thing to Biden ... interesting thought exercise.

Can't really say anywhere near the same about TFG. At least not with any semblance of reality.

As @fskimospy likes to point out, IF Biden has dementia, how does he perform well in the 2020 debates vs an energetic Trump, and deftly in his 2023 SOTU address? Are Repugs continuously getting pwned by a senile "old man" who had exactly 50 Senators in his coalition? (2 of those Senators are DINOs, fucking Manchin won't even endorse Biden yet LOL.)

People act like young, dynamic presidential nominees come around often. The JFK, Clinton and Barack Obamas come around approx. once a generation. Small sample size and all, but it seems like you also get a good chance of the young, dashing, charismatic type being a philanderer but I digress.

In a vacuum, Gavin Newsom fits that mold (but not exactly). He's my governor and I happen to like his job perf so far. But I guarantee you he'd lose the general election to DJT. The attack ads almost write themselves (hint: former SF mayor, drug use rampant in public and 💩). Now if instead, Newsom was governor of Colorado or Virginia, then yeah I'd like his chances.

As for FDR, that was pre-television. I've often read that FDR wouldn't have been successful in the TV era.

The problem for Joe Biden is that there are a lot of dumb voters out there, and they matter. You and I can rationalize this all day long, but we aren't the swing votes. At the end of the day, you're gonna have to convince some people who believe that Biden is way too old for the job. So while the entire premise of this thread is silly (I'm right because JS said so), that is MrSquished's essential point about the November elections. I do not agree about still talking about Biden stepping aside; that is just dumb. I posted an article about Friday's Emerson College poll. Biden isn't in great shape, but he's not worse than Harris, Newsom or Gov. Whitmer.

 

[Pens1566]

As @fskimospy likes to point out, IF Biden has dementia, how does he perform well in the 2020 debates vs an energetic Trump, and deftly in his 2023 SOTU address? Are Repugs continuously getting pwned by a senile "old man" who had exactly 50 Senators in his coalition? (2 of those Senators are DINOs, fucking Manchin won't even endorse Biden yet LOL.)

People act like young, dynamic presidential nominees come around often. The JFK, Clinton and Barack Obamas come around approx. once a generation. Small sample size and all, but it seems like you also get a good chance of the young, dashing, charismatic type being a philanderer but I digress.

In a vacuum, Gavin Newsom fits that mold (but not exactly). He's my governor and I happen to like his job perf so far. But I guarantee you he'd lose the general election to DJT. The attack ads almost write themselves (hint: former SF mayor, drug use rampant in public and 💩). Now if instead, Newsom was governor of Colorado or Virginia, then yeah I'd like his chances.

As for FDR, that was pre-television. I've often read that FDR wouldn't have been successful in the TV era.

The problem for Joe Biden is that there are a lot of dumb voters out there, and they matter. You and I can rationalize this all day long, but we aren't the swing votes. At the end of the day, you're gonna have to convince some people who believe that Biden is way too old for the job. So while the entire premise of this thread is silly (I'm right because JS said so), that is MrSquished's essential point about the November elections. I do not agree about still talking about Biden stepping aside; that is just dumb. I posted an article about Friday's Emerson College poll. Biden isn't in great shape, but he's not worse than Harris, Newsom or Gov. Whitmer.

FDR, arguably top 5 all time, would never have even been in office. Entirely the point.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama. In fact, youthful charisma is the ENTIRE REASON those two became President in the first place. They are the blueprint for how you get someone elected. They tell a story and share a vision of a future the American people want. Then they go out and vote for it.

That's just not Biden.


The discussion would be our need for "main character energy", a public speaker who can lead a campaign and rally the American people against Trump.
To convince people who are NOT already convinced.

- Two points:

1) Clinton in '92 and Obama in '08 I'd roughly agree, but Clinton '99 and Obama '16 were a lot more measured and they had lost that kind of "firebrand fighter" mystique. Clinton is jokingly referred to as the "best Republican president we've ever had" with his hard right turn to work with Newt's congress, and Obama's entire speech pattern was a carefully considered professorial stuttering mess by the time he left office.

Beyond Biden, I'm not sure the Dem's really have a youthful firebrand that can deprogram the "anti-woke" crowd anywhere right now (and they certainly haven't done a good job building their bench up either).

2) Trump coming out and holding a press conference at the height of covid to brag about the DOW passing 37K is main character energy. Hell, even his whole "I've never lost anything and even if you say I did lose, it was actually a conspiracy against me" garbage is primo main character energy. Where, anywhere in the Dem party, is that guy that unabashedly, without caveats and equivocating and ahhs/uhhmms/whatever just goes full bore on a liberal agenda?

 

[dlerious]

2) Trump coming out and holding a press conference at the height of covid to brag about the DOW passing 37K is main character energy. Hell, even his whole "I've never lost anything and even if you say I did lose, it was actually a conspiracy against me" garbage is primo main character energy. Where, anywhere in the Dem party, is that guy that unabashedly, without caveats and equivocating and ahhs/uhhmms/whatever just goes full bore on a liberal agenda?

Would a gal like Katie Porter fit the bill?

 

[hal2kilo]

Would a gal like Katie Porter fit the bill?

I think she'd be great with more experience. Unfortunately, she's a strong woman and that scares a lot of men.