Jordan Neely killed on the subway by marine veteran. Hero or killer?

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pcgeek11

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I'm not quite sure what you're saying there. You feel good that he's going to get away with killing somebody with no charge?
That's the kind of world you want to live in?

It isn't good that someone was killed over acting the fool and threatening innocent people on a subway. I am of the opinion that Mr. Penny was acting to prevent those innocent people getting hurt at the hands of Mr.Neeley. It was an accident brought on by the actions of Mr. Neeley.

I think Mr. Penny should be absolved of any wrong doing.
 
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skyking

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Mr. Neely did not assault anyone. The result was, he was pre-emptively assaulted and ultimately killed. Those are the simple facts.
He talked tough and postured, but there was no cause to take matters into vigilante territory.
 
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pcgeek11

Lifer
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Mr. Neely did not assault anyone. The result was, he was pre-emptively assaulted and ultimately killed. Those are the simple facts.
He talked tough and postured, but there was no cause to take matters into vigilante territory.

He was attempting to only restrain Mr. Neeley after he made threats against the passengers locked into the moving subway car. They feared for their life as several commented on and praised Mr. Penny. I do not think Mr. Penny intended to kill anyone. The court will proceed and will pass on it's verdict one way or another.
 

MrSquished

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Mr. Neely did not assault anyone. The result was, he was pre-emptively assaulted and ultimately killed. Those are the simple facts.
He talked tough and postured, but there was no cause to take matters into vigilante territory.

Listen, we all know if the victim was white and not poor but just drunk and belligerent, even with a history of being drunk and obnoxious sometimes, and the ex-marine who choked him for 15 minutes to death was a black dude, pcgeek and his ilk would be crying murder as loud as possible.

Most people here know this. This is why he is a shite person and most of us know it.

We can't win the war if the good people don't recognize the evil enemy.
 
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pcgeek11

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Listen, we all know if the victim was white and not poor but just drunk and belligerent, even with a history of being drunk and obnoxious sometimes, and the ex-marine who choked him for 15 minutes to death was a black dude, pcgeek and his ilk would be crying murder as loud as possible.

Most people here know this. This is why he is a shite person and most of us know it.

We can't win the war if the good people don't recognize the evil enemy.


You don't KNOW anything obviously.
This has Nothing to do with Black or White.

On this case the linked below a black dude stuck another person on a subway for punching his girlfriend. I think he was justified in sticking the troublemaker Devictor Ouedraogo, but unfortunately he was also arrested.

 

MrSquished

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besides the fact that Penny is an ex-marine, not a cop, and his murder victim was not on video crying out that long, but was instead still choked while he was already dead for over 10 minutes, this is the same thing

 

Pohemi

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It was an accident brought on by the actions of Mr. Neeley.

I think Mr. Penny should be absolved of any wrong doing.

Wow.

And you're telling others not to form an opinion yet because they "don't have the facts". I don't know if I can groan and sigh hard enough at that. Whether you realize it or not, statements like these are not a good look...on anyone.

Statements of yours such as the above quoted might be why people here question your character and integrity. Jus' sayin'.
 
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HomerJS

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He was attempting to only restrain Mr. Neeley after he made threats against the passengers locked into the moving subway car. They feared for their life as several commented on and praised Mr. Penny. I do not think Mr. Penny intended to kill anyone. The court will proceed and will pass on it's verdict one way or another.
What threats were made against passengers? Quote? If Neely shouted he was going to kill people on the train then you have a point. Do we have anything like that or are you too invested in Penny because......

You are claiming it was an accident because you are willing to take the word of Penny. I'm saying it was likely manslaughter because Penny held Neely in a rear naked choke for 15 minutes based on eyewitnesses.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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You don't KNOW anything obviously.
This has Nothing to do with Black or White.

On this case the linked below a black dude stuck another person on a subway for punching his girlfriend. I think he was justified in sticking the troublemaker Devictor Ouedraogo, but unfortunately he was also arrested.


You don’t know anything either, just the info that’s available. For instance, you don’t know the guy choke holding someone else didn’t intend to only restrain, that’s your assumption. He can even say that, doesn’t make it true. If someone goes limp from a choke hold, it’s pretty obvious they’re no longer a threat.
 
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pcgeek11

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Wow.

And you're telling others not to form an opinion yet because they "don't have the facts". I don't know if I can groan and sigh hard enough at that. Whether you realize it or not, statements like these are not a good look...on anyone.

Statements of yours such as the above quoted might be why people here question your character and integrity. Jus' sayin'.


I didn't say that no one should have an opinion yet. Admit it or not everyone has an opinion.

I don't care what most other people think.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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What threats were made against passengers? Quote? If Neely shouted he was going to kill people on the train then you have a point. Do we have anything like that or are you too invested in Penny because......

You are claiming it was an accident because you are willing to take the word of Penny. I'm saying it was likely manslaughter because Penny held Neely in a rear naked choke for 15 minutes based on eyewitnesses.

Invested in Penny because of what? Say what you mean.

Not just the word of Mr. Penny.

'I'm going to kill you,' 'I'm prepared to go to jail for life,' and 'I'm willing to die,'"
The witness who recorded the video later said, “None of us who were there thought he was in danger of dying. We thought he just passed out or ran out of air.”
“Some people say that I was holding on to Mr. Neely for 15 minutes. This is not true — between stops is only a couple of minutes. So, the whole interaction lasted less than five minutes,”
A woman of color who was on the train during the incident previously told Fox News she believed it was “self-defense” and that “I believe in my heart that he saved a lot of people that day.”
The 66-year-old woman, who asked not to be identified, also said she’d testify on behalf of Penny, 24, who was charged last week with second-degree manslaughter over the deadly encounter.

The witness told The Post that Neely, 30, went on an explosive tirade just before his caught-on-camera death, telling people he was willing to “kill a motherf—er” and “[take] a bullet” and go to jail.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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You don’t know anything either, just the info that’s available. For instance, you don’t know the guy choke holding someone else didn’t intend to only restrain, that’s your assumption. He can even say that, doesn’t make it true. If someone goes limp from a choke hold, it’s pretty obvious they’re no longer a threat.


Well we will see what the justice system says about it as what you or I think is irrelevant.
 

woolfe9998

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I don't know the answer to that, but drunk drivers don't intend to kill people either yet if they do, they are charged and convicted of homicide/manslaughter.

This is analogous to drunk driving/vehicular manslaughter only in the sense that both are alleged to be manslaughter. What we had here was a situation where the defense will establish that it was necessary for the safety of everyone on that car to restrain Neely, but the prosecution will argue he applied too much pressure for too long. That's a very tough sell to a jury, and is pretty much apples to oranges in comparison to drunk driving.
 
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HomerJS

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This is analogous to drunk driving/vehicular manslaughter only in the sense that both are alleged to be manslaughter. What we had here was a situation where the defense will establish that it was necessary for the safety of everyone on that car to restrain Neely, but the prosecution will argue he applied too much pressure for too long. That's a very tough sell to a jury, and is pretty much apples to oranges in comparison to drunk driving.
Seems to me if someone held an ass grabber underwater in a public pool to stop the assaults holding him for 15 minutes would not be deemed accidental but we will see.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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Expected post is expected, classic "no you" response.

Yes, geek, that's my point. If it's all so irrelevant, why bother posting your life away here. Unless, of course, you feel like it's relevant in some way.


I guess it is because I'm retired and it seems that my honest opinions seem to irritate you so much. High entertainment value.
 
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ch33zw1z

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I guess it is because I'm retired and it seems that my honest opinions seem to irritate you so much. High entertainment value.

So trolling? Your honest opinions are uninformed in general and fueled by right wing agitprop. If you think that’s irritating, then I’ll have to disappoint you. /shrug
 
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pcgeek11

Lifer
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So trolling? Your honest opinions are uninformed in general and fueled by right wing agitprop. If you think that’s irritating, then I’ll have to disappoint you. /shrug

Just because you disagree doesn't make my opinions wrong or uninformed.

No I'm not trolling, just voicing my opinions. It's just that irritating you and the high entertainment value are just icing on the cake.
LOL.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Just because you disagree doesn't make my opinions wrong or uninformed.

No I'm not trolling, just voicing my opinions. It's just that irritating you and the high entertainment value are just icing on the cake.
LOL.

You just described what trolling is in your previous post.

Wrong and uninformed opinions are wrong and uninformed. My personal take on them doesn't change that.
 
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