Lol, wut? Where’d the gun come from?you could justify literally just shooting on sight any anti-abortion protestor verbally harassing women as they go to exercise their basic healthcare rights with this logic.
I say we start and see what the right-wing trash think.
Lol, wut? Where’d the gun come from?
Snowflaking for thee, not for meWhat's the difference? Now choking someone to death is ok if someone is scared but not shooting them? So can we choke any anti-abortion protestor who is yelling disgusting threatening things at women trying to exercise their basic fundamental rights, spit flying out of their face at them? Forget the gun. Let's choke those nasty threatening people trying to literally oppress women, not just in the grand scheme of things, but literally at that moment, as much as possible harassing them and making them feel unsafe.l
That's nothing but semantics. Try again.
How about someone chokes one of those motherfuckers to death clearly fearing for their safety, and then when other fascist verbally harassing scary people try to attack the person clearly defending themselves against the shitty protestor, then some other folks just start shooting them, saying they were standing their ground and preventing them from attacking the guy choking that scary threatening protestor.
It sounds like he killed a man that he did not need to kill.I'm waiting for more evidence before developing an opinion. If people on the train were afraid of being physically harmed, rather than just uncomfortable - that changes the situation. Need more info from actual passengers.
Penny is a Marine Sargent Honorably Discharged.
Who is Daniel Penny? Marine charged in Jordan Neely chokehold subway death from NY
Daniel Penny, the Marine facing a manslaughter charge in the subway chokehold killing of Jordan Neely, grew up in a middle-class military family on Long Island.nypost.com
The guy was trained to do exactly what he did.
No one else bothered.
His Soldier instinct to protect citizens fired off.
You can take the soldier away from the battlefield, but never the battlefield away from the solider mentally.
We have part blame on this too, because that is how we trained the United States Marines to keep them alive on the field.
Im not saying its right, but again, he did what we trained him to, even though its not the proper battlefield.
I agree with the manslaughter charge... however involuntary, and with all the mins attached.
The Soldier could still be under PTSD, when he saw the escalation.
It is unfortunate, but again, we trained the guy to do what he did, and then let him go.
We also bear some responsibility.
Those of you who served, I thank you for your service.
Context matters.Nobody involved believes Daniel Penny intended to murder anyone.
Except perhaps you. Perhaps read the full op before posting spin.
Daniel Penny tried to control the situation. Marines are not trained to control situations. They receive an entirely different type of training. The outcome is sad, but lets not ignore what the dead man said:
"big life sentence"
"it doesn’t even matter if I died"
To a reasonable person, that sounds like the prelude to an act of mass violence. Mass shooting. Etc. They happen every day in this country. Daniel Penny is in a NY subway car, most people are not going to flee effectively. Daniel Penny is likely one of those unable to flee effectively. With the information presented to him, the least bad choice is to engage and neutralize the threat to everyone on the subway car, as he was trained.
I am no legal expert, but based off of that, I question if their is a jury of New York subway riders that are going to be found that are going to convict Daniel Penny of anything.
Context matters.
There is a reason why normal subway riders ignored him.
Because normal subway riders know rambling homeless people get off at the next stop. That it's easy to predict who is who.
Normal subway riders know the regulars in the subway system. They make noise when they are frustrated and never touch anyone.
I've probably run into that guy a bunch of times over the years.
Showing of your mma skills on a weaker person who after taking off his jacket showed to be another scrawny homeless guy with little else on him because "they got animated and loud" might seem really impressive to the shitty long island assholes but generally assaulting people over words is a dick move.
Did the guy actually threaten anyone. No. Were people moving to another car because they were scared? No.
All the guy has to do was keep looking at his phone and turn up the volume on his headphones.
Whatever,
Long island douche is probably going to get off Scott free and get pat on the back from every fat old trump cock worshiper with an addiction to foxnews and the New York post. He will probably get speaking engagements from patriot moms for freedom or whatever.
Fuck him
you could justify literally just shooting on sight any anti-abortion protestor verbally harassing women as they go to exercise their basic healthcare rights with this logic.
I say we start and see what the right-wing trash think.
Penny is a Marine Sargent Honorably Discharged.
Who is Daniel Penny? Marine charged in Jordan Neely chokehold subway death from NY
Daniel Penny, the Marine facing a manslaughter charge in the subway chokehold killing of Jordan Neely, grew up in a middle-class military family on Long Island.nypost.com
The guy was trained to do exactly what he did.
No one else bothered.
His Soldier instinct to protect citizens fired off.
You can take the soldier away from the battlefield, but never the battlefield away from the solider mentally.
We have part blame on this too, because that is how we trained the United States Marines to keep them alive on the field.
Im not saying its right, but again, he did what we trained him to, even though its not the proper battlefield.
I agree with the manslaughter charge... however involuntary, and with all the mins attached.
The Soldier could still be under PTSD, when he saw the escalation.
It is unfortunate, but again, we trained the guy to do what he did, and then let him go.
We also bear some responsibility.
Those of you who served, I thank you for your service.
I said reckless. He didn't get on the train intending to kill someone. He is a trained Marine. Even I know putting someone in a rear naked choke for 15 minutes you are likely to kill them. Penny surely knew that.Nobody involved believes Daniel Penny intended to murder anyone.
Except perhaps you. Perhaps read the full op before posting spin.
Daniel Penny tried to control the situation. Marines are not trained to control situations. They receive an entirely different type of training. The outcome is sad, but lets not ignore what the dead man said:
"big life sentence"
"it doesn’t even matter if I died"
To a reasonable person, that sounds like the prelude to an act of mass violence. Mass shooting. Etc. They happen every day in this country. Daniel Penny is in a NY subway car, most people are not going to flee effectively. Daniel Penny is likely one of those unable to flee effectively. With the information presented to him, the least bad choice is to engage and neutralize the threat to everyone on the subway car, as he was trained.
I am no legal expert, but based off of that, I question if their is a jury of New York subway riders that are going to be found that are going to convict Daniel Penny of anything.
"He's a hero!"
bleh, American's love to celebrate violence and then pretend to care about said violence.
He was not witnessed physically attacking anyone.Too many people with mental problems on the streets, attacking innocent bystanders. This person was one of them according to eye witness accounts. Did the defender go to far defending them? Definitely. But let a jury of his peers decide.
I see crazy people everywhere. I call them "street performers". They are crazy people just standing in an intersection jumping up and down waving and screaming at passerbys, making faces, doing dances, jumping in front of traffic ...anything for attention.
When they get no attention they get violent. Hopefully the police are there to take them to county hospitals for mental treatment.
My brother went to a county hospital not too long ago for a broken ankle. It was filled with crazy people. Lots of them who did not want to be discharged, most were on mental drugs like Prozac, etc.
My brother said lots of people had to be ejected by hospital cops because they refused to leave. Others had to be tied up in beds and given their mental drugs.
Total craziness these days.
This is not an isolated incident. Sometimes these crazies get guns and go on killing sprees. I blame over population. It is sad but true and there is not much we can do about it.
That's my main question. Why is Penny worth celebrating?Bigger Man decides to choke out smaller guy on the subway after witnessing him shouting and waving his arms around.
Kills him.
Right wing media after noting "certain characteristics" between the killer and the victim decides to celebrate the killer.
"Patriots" open up their wallets.
$2 Million Raised for Daniel Penny Defense Fund After DeSantis Tweet
The man facing second-degree manslaughter charges in the chokehold death of street performer Jordan Neely is getting financial support from thousands of online donors. A legal defense fund started by Daniel Penny‘s attorney had raised more than $2 million by Monday morning, days after the...www.nbcnewyork.com
Actually, in this situation, it may end up being very relivent. specially if he has any documentation of PTSD.His prior employment is irrelevant.
You projecting things on a stranger because of his prior employment is misguided.
I had definitely run into Neely in the past, as has my wife. He was annoying but whatever.Context matters.
There is a reason why normal subway riders ignored him.
Because normal subway riders know rambling homeless people get off at the next stop. That it's easy to predict who is who.
Normal subway riders know the regulars in the subway system. They make noise when they are frustrated and never touch anyone.
I've probably run into that guy a bunch of times over the years.
Showing of your mma skills on a weaker person who after taking off his jacket showed to be another scrawny homeless guy with little else on him because "they got animated and loud" might seem really impressive to the shitty long island assholes but generally assaulting people over words is a dick move.
Did the guy actually threaten anyone. No. Were people moving to another car because they were scared? No.
All the guy has to do was keep looking at his phone and turn up the volume on his headphones.
Whatever,
Long island douche is probably going to get off Scott free and get pat on the back from every fat old trump cock worshiper with an addiction to foxnews and the New York post. He will probably get speaking engagements from patriot moms for freedom or whatever.
Fuck him
Actually, in this situation, it may end up being very relivent. specially if he has any documentation of PTSD.
Neely was 14 when his mother, Christine Neely, was killed at their home. NJ.com reported that her body had been stuffed inside a suitcase and left on the Henry Hudson Parkway in New York.
Her boyfriend, Shawn Southerland, was convicted at a trial that Neely, then 18, testified in. He told the court that he tried to say goodbye to his mother before school on April 4, 2007, but Southerland refused to let him enter the bedroom, NJ.com reported.
Mills said Neely learned his mother had been killed the night before and Southerland had dumped her body while he was at school. Southerland was sentenced to 30 years in prison for the crime.
"He had to live with the fact that he left his mother dead in their home. So, that's a lot to live with and he had troubles with that. But throughout his life, he was determined to make other people happy and that's what he did," Mills said.
First time I recall we've had a poster with direct information to a story. You encounters put context into the possible threat posed by Neely.I had definitely run into Neely in the past, as has my wife. He was annoying but whatever.
As someone who rides the subway nearly every day I never really have any problems with it. I think this is partly because I'm a man so I don't get the pervs and partly that my daily commute is mostly through affluent parts of Brooklyn these days but even in the past when it wasn't things were fine. I saw a purse snatching once.
I feel like people who don't live here think the subway is like in The Warriors or something.
I am in a different city but many of the same perceptions and rhetoric about fentanyl and heroin and crime around the transit system.I had definitely run into Neely in the past, as has my wife. He was annoying but whatever.
As someone who rides the subway nearly every day I never really have any problems with it. I think this is partly because I'm a man so I don't get the pervs and partly that my daily commute is mostly through affluent parts of Brooklyn these days but even in the past when it wasn't things were fine. I saw a purse snatching once.
I feel like people who don't live here think the subway is like in The Warriors or something.
Well sort of - the entirety of my 'direct information' was that I ran into him once or twice and he was loud and annoying. I would say that I never perceived him as a threat though.First time I recall we've had a poster with direct information to a story. You encounters put context into the possible threat posed by Neely.
Certain routes have a higher number of mentally ill and untreated people on them, where I used to ride.
It is just a thing to do, to ride the bus or the train. You got used to it. Those happened to be my routes to work.
My brother and I got into it the other day about how he never sees this problem when he rides.
I suggested he ride X line or Y line and report back to me.
The tourist areas are also prone to have more homeless because hey, that's where the good panhandling is going to happen.
People think about the gauntlet of homeless and mentally ill folks you have to walk by.
Flip the script and think about their view. If you can do it, it is very sobering.
Well I clearly made it through the ride without strangling him to death, haha.@fskimospy he was annoying, but I suppose you harbored some hope for him to get to a better place, get some help. It's sad. He was somebody's son only now we know that she was murdered when he was young.
I need to go find an allergy pill or something.