Jordan Neely killed on the subway by marine veteran. Hero or killer?

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NWRMidnight

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I absolutely get the relationship
I just reject using it as global assumed crutch everytime someone who happens to be a veteran fucks up.

PTSD is not a "veteran exclusive" condition.
Having PTSD is not a blame reduction card.

You brought up PTSD and the only evidence in any article was that the victim suffered PTSD.
I never said it was a "veteran exclusive" condition. You are missing the point. It's obviously over your head.

You have blinders on, and you are stuck in a rut, or denial, that won't allow you to admit that Penny's past employment is very relevant, and could be the key to why this happened, and the outcome of the trial. It's not an assumption, it's a fucking fact! Because of his service in the Military, which is his past employment, it has to be looked at. It 100% relevant. It doesn't necessarily mean it's a "global crutch".. or that his actions should be excused.. but it sure as hell is relevant. That's the argument.. if his past employment is relevant. HIs Military service is part of his past employment, and I stated why it is important, using PTSD as an example.

I brought up PTSD to demonstrate why Penny's past employment is very relevant. But you seem to not be able to grasp the connection. You seem to think I am arguing about PTSD to get Penny off, I'm not, I was simply explaining WHY Penny's past employment is relevant, and because PTSD triggered you and others, I had to show why it is. All you keep saying is Neely, Neely, Neely.. the article.. when Neely wasn't the topic. But that is who you are stuck on.. you can't get past your own mental block of what I am telling you. step the fuck back and look at the whole picture.. take the blinders off and stop looking at it from just one narrow perspective focused on Neely, PTSD, when all this was about is if Penny's past employment is relevant.. IT IS!
 

pauldun170

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I never said it was a "veteran exclusive" condition. You are missing the point. It's obviously over your head.

You have blinders on, and you are stuck in a rut, or denial, that won't allow you to admit that Penny's past employment is very relevant, and could be the key to why this happened, and the outcome of the trial. It's not an assumption, it's a fucking fact! Because of his service in the Military, which is his past employment, it has to be looked at. It 100% relevant. It doesn't necessarily mean it's a "global crutch".. or that his actions should be excused.. but it sure as hell is relevant. That's the argument.. if his past employment is relevant. HIs Military service is part of his past employment, and I stated why it is important, using PTSD as an example.

I brought up PTSD to demonstrate why Penny's past employment is very relevant. But you seem to not be able to grasp the connection. You seem to think I am arguing about PTSD to get Penny off, I'm not, I was simply explaining WHY Penny's past employment is relevant, and because PTSD triggered you and others, I had to show why it is. All you keep saying is Neely, Neely, Neely.. the article.. when Neely wasn't the topic. But that is who you are stuck on.. you can't get past your own mental block of what I am telling you. step the fuck back and look at the whole picture.. take the blinders off and stop looking at it from just one narrow perspective focused on Neely, PTSD, when all this was about is if Penny's past employment is relevant.. IT IS!
Nope
 

NWRMidnight

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People are using PTSD as a possible defense of Penny forgetting Jordan Neely at 14 lived through his mother being killed and her body being stuffed in a suitcase. Sounds like PTSD in his case and it caused his mental illness. Know what it didn't cause? Jordan to go out and seriously hurt or kill someone.
First, lets clear something up, I am not using PTSD as a defense for Penny. I brought it up as an example of to WHY Penny's past employment, which includes his Military service, is very relevant to what happened, specially if he has PTSD, because some people think Penny's past employment is not relevant. It is. It is very relevant.

With that said, PTSD effects each individual differently, which is also influenced by what brought on the PTSD. PTSD witnessing your mother being killed is different than PTSD brought on by combat.

Again, I am not arguing that PTSD is a defense for Penny, I am just simply pointing out some facts, and showing why his past employment (HIs Military Career) is relevant.
 
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Nah - I would arrest them or cite them at a minimum. If you escort them out of the system they will turn around and go right back in two minutes later. If you're not going to have consequences then doing nothing is the best answer because it's just a waste of time and money otherwise.
Kick them out, give them a ticket. If they are a repeat offender, escalate at that point. I'm not sure how arresting them for their drug addiction is going to improve things if you're not going to be able to hold them. But I'm sure if they want to do drugs, they might choose to do them somewhere where they won't be hassled, and that might be a little different of a situation compared to your homeless encampment example.

For example there's a homeless encampment underneath the overpass near my train station. About once every two months or so the city stops by and clears them out but everyone comes back about a day later. What's the point? You're wasting taxpayer dollars and further immiserating people for no effect. Either clear it out and keep it clear or don't do it at all.
Yes, that particular activity is a waste because we don't give people without homes housing - it's instead treating some symptom in one of the worst ways possible. They're going to go somewhere. They probably shouldn't be clearing it unless there is actually a place to give those people, like some sort of supportive SRO-style housing.
 
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NWRMidnight

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This really ticks me....
PTSD is a blame reduction card because WE forced it on them.
Did we ASK them to go into live battle where they are living on there toes every min.
Not able to get any deep sleep on top because you got officers who love to harrass the hell out of you in whats called training at odd hours to get in full battle situation.
Being pitted behind sandbags while rounds of AK are flying over your head.
Watching your once dining buddy at the mess hall go home missing a leg because he stepped on an IED.

HOW DARE YOU...

I fully support my verterans, i support the people who went out there to die for what we call freedom, and sometimes im really sad if its what they really wanted to fight for. If i even see a Veteran Wife at the market, i'll pay for her groceries, only because my buddy is also in that group.

Dont pretend to know PTSD.

No i dont support him killing the guy.
But at the same time i don't think its his entirely his fault, as again, any type of stimulus can SNAP a PTSD soldier into doing what he was trained to do which is a full on suppression, especially if he's attained the rank of Sgt.

If he wanted to kill Needy, he didn't need to choke hold him, he would of snapped his neck like training, or used other more deadly suppression methods.

Incase you didn't also know. Sargent is the highest Non Commission Ranked a person can get.
Meaning he was one hell of a Marine for attaining it before being again HONORABLY discharged.

Meaning they retired him out of his age and the fact he was a NCO.
I understand, and agree with the message you are trying to put out there. But I do have to correct you on a couple things.

1) All branches of our military, currently are volunteer. So to argue nobody asked them to go into live battle, isn't really valid, as they volunteered to Serve knowing that being in combat (live battle) is part of being in the military, and very likely. However, being a known fact, and fully understanding what that really means, are two different things. I don't think it's something a person can fully understand the consequences of the choice to enlist, until they experience it, specially if they are in combat.

2) In the Marines, Sargent (E-5) is not the highest non commissioned Rank. The highest non commissioned rank in the Marines would be Sargent Major (E-9) I don't believe Sargent is the highest non commissioned rank in any of the branches.
 
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FelixDeCat

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Oh no, I'm sorry it's true. It's why "very fine people" like you have donated $1.6M to the murderer in this case.

Again, kindly and respectfully go fuck yourself.

What time is your street performance today? I want to watch the show.
 

NWRMidnight

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It is in the Salvation Army. They are benefactors to Bryce, MrSquishy and Polerider.
When did a Protestant Christian church and an international charitable organization become a branch of the Military?

You can stop trying to win another "dumbest post" award. I am sure you have a closet full of them.
 

MrSquished

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In the nice, safe area of Brooklyn...just a few hours ago:


It's pretty amusing seeing snowflakes like yourself all scared of NYC as this crime ridden anarchy land. Meanwhile I go there often and see everyone out and about, kids, old ladies, old dudes, young girls and women, all riding the subways casually as fook. I ride my bike 20 miles plus a pop around the boroughs and it's people enjoying themselves. That's a good amount of ground to not see mayhem and crime. A bigger issue is finding a place not too packed to get drinks on weeknights during happy our or weekend nights. I date a lot of single women in NYC, all thirty and fortysomethings, and they aren't scared. Literally spoke to people whose hick dumbfuck right wing family members wonder how they go out safely to get groceries at all in NYC. Meanwhile we are having problem securing brunch reservations and that's the big problem of the day.

What shithole ignorant part of Texas do you live in btw?

Shot on the subway I took last week on one of my three excursions into Manhattan, in the evening, after dark. Meanwhile these small dicked gun carrying uncultured hick fuckwagons are all too snowflakey about the big dangerous subway and city. Fucking useless skin suits. These people truly disgust me to my core.

Edit: I'm proud of that natural stream of consciousness bolded phrase

 

woolfe9998

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Yeah it was funny to see DeSantis come up to NYC to complain about crime. If NYC had crime rates even remotely approaching those of Florida cities it would be considered a national emergency. For example Jacksonville has a murder rate that is almost quadruple NYC's. Orlando is nearly triple NYC. Memphis, TN is about 900% higher than NYC, etc.

Not just in certain cities. The state of Florida in total has a higher homicide rate than the state of NY.


Yet somehow I am not surprised that DeSantis complains over crime in New York. Given that facts are irrelevant.
 

ondma

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First, lets clear something up, I am not using PTSD as a defense for Penny. I brought it up as an example of to WHY Penny's past employment, which includes his Military service, is very relevant to what happened, specially if he has PTSD, because some people think Penny's past employment is not relevant. It is. It is very relevant.

With that said, PTSD effects each individual differently, which is also influenced by what brought on the PTSD. PTSD witnessing your mother being killed is different than PTSD brought on by combat.

Again, I am not arguing that PTSD is a defense for Penny, I am just simply pointing out some facts, and showing why his past employment (HIs Military Career) is relevant.
I dont get your reasoning. If PTSD is not a defense, then why is his past employment relevant?
 

skyking

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It's way too early to speculate. Lots of talk about PTSD with absolutely no basis for it. If the perp does not have a diagnosis in pocket before this crime, then he'd be hard pressed to pass off his actions as PTSD.
 

NWRMidnight

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I dont get your reasoning. If PTSD is not a defense, then why is his past employment relevant
Maybe go read what I said again. I never said it wasn't a defense, I said I AM not using PTSD as a defense to what he did. But the fact remains, regardless of what I think, his past Military service/past employment is relevant if he has PTSD, as it can be used as a defense, as proven by precedent set by the the courts.
 
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NWRMidnight

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It's way too early to speculate. Lots of talk about PTSD with absolutely no basis for it. If the perp does not have a diagnosis in pocket before this crime, then he'd be hard pressed to pass off his actions as PTSD.
How do you find that out without looking at his Military career and medical records related to his time of service and the impact it had on his mental state? That's the whole point, his Military service can't be ignored.
 

Pohemi

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I dont get your reasoning. If PTSD is not a defense, then why is his past employment relevant?
Conversely, where some may excuse his actions due to PTSD...there's also the flip-side that the guy is a trained deadly weapon. He had the knowledge to do real damage, and should have had the knowledge NOT to. IMHO he knew what the end result would be.
Not outside the realm of possibility that prosecution will try to show something similar beyond a reasonable doubt. It's the truth IMO, as I stated. The question is whether they can sell it to a jury.
 

NWRMidnight

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It's a diagnosis.
Guess what is part of the process of being diagnosed if you where in the Military and in combat?

To receive a combat PTSD diagnosis, you must have experienced a combat stressor event in the VA’s eyes. You must show the VA that there was a stressor event related to your military service causing your condition.

 
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