M: This raises some questions for me:
When you say that he accepts the male perspective of founding myths is he accepting their male perspective or is it that the formulation of founding myths is inherently what will always seem to be masculine in nature?
No. I don't think that if women had the right to tell the story they would tell it in a way that limited femininity to being the 'soil' in which a male plants a 'seed'
It is the making of order out of chaos, the articulation of the amorphous, the felt, the intuited into coherency, in a graspable encapsulated form, a myth that by analogy replicates and lays bare what is archetypal in human nature. And it will be identified as male perhaps because it is a function of thinking and thinking about thinking which is a left brained lateral specialization and left brain lateral specialization may be characteristic of male more than female brains owing to the fact that female brains are wired with a thicker corpus callosum indicitive of the possibility that the two hemispheres of women are wired for more extensive communication with the further implication they may also be more intuitive and connected to their feelings.
OR it will be masculine because of these effects of gendered typical differences AND because describing society not as a fight to dominate chaos - but as an opportunity for individuals to grow a new way that works for people - is not something supportive of the violence needed to dominate the earth and become the "USA #1 #1 founding myth."
Masculine ideas spread because they entail murder and hate instead of acceptance and love.
Can you give me an example of something that would contest whatever social ordering logics might be, perhaps also explaining what those are in the process?
Take, for example, the social ordering logic of nursing. Nursing is about the whole person and helping bring them to full health. This is as opposed to typical doctoring, which is about finding and eliminating disease.
Why do we run our society like doctors instead of nurses? I say it is because we take for granted the same masculine system that JP does; a system which he may not be aware of, or may think is essential to society, but for which clear alternatives exist.
What is a matriarchal system of myth. What do you mean by binary and non-binary as it applies to myth, like maybe an example of each.
The great mother who gives birth to the earth and nurtures man kind; as opposed to the great father who dominates the extant-earth and creates a world to live in.
It is very hard to imagine such a world view, because we start with the emotional sense "but then who dominates so we are forced to get along?!" But from a Matriarchal system of myth, we would ask just as intuitively of this system "but then who nurtures so we can all get along?!"
How do creation myths become habituated as stories we tell ourselves.
I'm working on this; but I think founding myths are built into how we make meaning out of our sensations. Our social ordering logics (like professions) are built into how we form our intentions and notice our sensations. Our personal narratives (like i'm bob the builder) are how we make sense out of our sensations.
You seem to have found the key to digging past personal narratives into the social odering logic of "the faily" where love is used to justify torture for being a "bad boy" thus perverting the foundational mythic emotion of love into the masculine world of domination.
I think it is because they tell us how to explain the origin of the universe but the nature of our conception of it, how the paradise of unity was lost to the suffering caused by dualistic thinking.
Yes; and masculine dualism is needed to dominate. I can't be better than you if I am you.
I think we have an opportunity to stop thinking in terms of domination and grow as a species; no longer does one myth need to kill another to win the minds of the world - we have a chance to see past, awaken to how badly our founding myth of masculinity, our social ordering logic of the family, and our personal narratives are inbeded in a system of shame and neigh unconfrontable psychic pain: it and imagine all the people living in harmony.