Jordan Peterson: Telling Betas They are Alphas

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cytg111

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From different angles I have been catching up with Mr. Peterson.
For the record Id like to retract my prior objections.
While not buying the book, I think he is in it for the good, not the bad.
 
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Don't accuse me of flubbing basic reading comprehension when you made no less than two basic reading comprehension mistakes in your party,. I specifically said i didn't say i didn't hate women. I did specifically said i did not know that Sarkeesian faced serious threats.

Oh and being called a liar a lot isn't systematic harassment. Feminists call people mic worse occupational and over again and you dint mind. Member recurrence far more personal attacks especially MRAs, but nihilism seems to object to that. Fair enough you can call me what you will, just pick a standard any standard.

Thirdly i have heard offer and over again that feminism supposed aims at equality, not just female power. You are the one changing that definition.
You accuse me of making sexist claims but you dint even ask where i got that figure. It's not a sexist, it's based on a scientific sorry of women who admit hiting their kids. They were recorder and the number of times the recording picked up the mother hitting their kids was counted.

"Eavesdropping on the family:A pilot investigation of corporal punishment in the home" by Dr. George Holden

It seems to fit. So you hate women? Because that's what the statement you just made is saying ("I didn't say I don't hate women"), when I'm fairly certain you're trying to claim you didn't say you hated women, but maybe you're actually just being honest about your feelings this time? Either way, you're proving his accusation 100% on target. Of course you didn't because you didn't care to hear that. Funny thing is you then immediately say that men get worse.

Yes it is. That's literally the definition. Like holy shit, you really are a special type of moron. I'm not at all shocked that your woeful grasp of words and language has led you to spouting the type of drivel that you are in this thread.

What? "Feminists call people mic worse occupational?" Hahahaha. You're not just flubbing it you're metaphorically shitting in your own mouth.
 
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It seems to fit. So you hate women? Because that's what the statement you just made is saying ("I didn't say I don't hate women"), when I'm fairly certain you're trying to claim you didn't say you hated women, but maybe you're actually just being honest about your feelings this time? Either way, you're proving his accusation 100% on target. Of course you didn't because you didn't care to hear that. Funny thing is you then immediately say that men get worse.

Yes it is. That's literally the definition. Like holy shit, you really are a special type of moron. I'm not at all shocked that your woeful grasp of words and language has led you to spouting the type of drivel that you are in this thread.

What? "Feminists call people mic worse occupational?" Hahahaha. You're not just flubbing it you're metaphorically shitting in your own mouth.

It was a hit and run. Hasn't been back since that day. Sock was knitted, given a quick trial run and placed carefully in the drawer for possible future use.
 
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It was a hit and run. Hasn't been back since that day. Sock was knitted, given a quick trial run and placed carefully in the drawer for possible future use.

I actually think it was an AI bot training or something. Its like a human would write the first sentence or part of sentence, that would include some key word and then it'd let an AI just fill the rest in with random phrasing/words that got queued up based on the key words.
 

Amused

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From different angles I have been catching up with Mr. Peterson.
For the record Id like to retract my prior objections.
While not buying the book, I think he is in it for the good, not the bad.

So was every person who was drastically wrong. Even Stalin and Hitler and Pol Pot thought they were righteous.

Few historical monsters think they are doing evil. The vast majority feel they are 100% righteous. But they are horribly, horribly wrong. Like Peterson. I have no doubt he 100% believes he is right and is doing the right thing. But in reality he is giving a whole generation of misogynists false validation and justification for their misogyny.
 

dank69

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So was every person who was drastically wrong. Even Stalin and Hitler and Pol Pot thought they were righteous.

Few historical monsters think they are doing evil. The vast majority feel they are 100% righteous. But they are horribly, horribly wrong. Like Peterson. I have no doubt he 100% believes he is right and is doing the right thing. But in reality he is giving a whole generation of misogynists false validation and justification for their misogyny.
This. This is correct.
From different angles I have been catching up with Mr. Peterson.
For the record Id like to retract my prior objections.
While not buying the book, I think he is in it for the good, not the bad.
He may be in it for the good, but he grossly misunderstands what he is fighting for and against.
 

glenn1

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This thread seems to have gone quite off track since the original post. That being said, I've seen a handful of youtube videos from this guy and they all seem to be meandering, stream of consciousness word salads that throw in a heaping helping meaningless phrases like "high levels of disagreeableness." In the end they all lack any coherent narrative or actionable advice, much less an organized and structured philosophy. How this dude evidently became some kind of viral internet guru is utterly beyond me.
 

Amused

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This thread seems to have gone quite off track since the original post. That being said, I've seen a handful of youtube videos from this guy and they all seem to be meandering, stream of consciousness word salads that throw in a heaping helping meaningless phrases like "high levels of disagreeableness." In the end they all lack any coherent narrative or actionable advice, much less an organized and structured philosophy. How this dude evidently became some kind of viral internet guru is utterly beyond me.

You probably would say the same about virtually every cult leader or dangerous personality with a following.

That meandering pseudo intellectual/profound nonsense hides a dangerous message for his cultish followers.

Learn more here:

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/3/26/17144166/jordan-peterson-12-rules-for-life

https://www.theguardian.com/science...he-rightwing-professor-who-hit-a-hornets-nest

And wait for it... the irony is delicious

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/201...atform-will-shadowban-unpopular-opinions.html
 

glenn1

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You probably would say the same about virtually every cult leader or dangerous personality with a following.

That meandering pseudo intellectual/profound nonsense hides a dangerous message for his cultish followers.

Learn more here:

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/3/26/17144166/jordan-peterson-12-rules-for-life

https://www.theguardian.com/science...he-rightwing-professor-who-hit-a-hornets-nest

And wait for it... the irony is delicious

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/201...atform-will-shadowban-unpopular-opinions.html

<shrug> I guess I'm just not his target audience since he seems like a boring windbag to me. I no more understand why his "cult" followers flock to him than the Heaven's Gate cult people who thought they were going to be carried away on a comet or something.
 
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This thread seems to have gone quite off track since the original post. That being said, I've seen a handful of youtube videos from this guy and they all seem to be meandering, stream of consciousness word salads that throw in a heaping helping meaningless phrases like "high levels of disagreeableness." In the end they all lack any coherent narrative or actionable advice, much less an organized and structured philosophy. How this dude evidently became some kind of viral internet guru is utterly beyond me.

So, Moonbeam? Or at least how Moonbeam used to be til he had to become coherent because of the political state of the world.

I don't get it either. I don't even get where the hell his academic accolades came from, as he seems to have just repackaged ideas that were scarcely new and I don't even see that he did anything special in packaging them in some new original way. Carl Sagan summed up this guy's academic work in a single book, tackling the concepts, why they work or seem to work and how they can have positive and negative impacts on society.

Hell its not like awareness of myth making and the like was unknown or rare in like most of human history (people writing the Bible were actively aware of what they were doing; many societies were actively aware and I'd guess that there's been people smart enough to see that its not real but by going through the motions as though it were, creates behavior that they arguably would want). I think most could see it as the inherent basis of creativity of storytellers. And that it wasn't inherently interesting (after all, just being actively aware of how to make a story doesn't mean you'll make a good story, and so the actual worthwhile endeavor was to make something meaningful).

I think Tolkien and C.S. Lewis (and others, but highlithing those two as I think they actually literally sat around discussing this and then kinda had a bit of a game with each other on trying to see if they could create myths and the like (decades before this guy even existed). Tolkien created the basis of modern fantasy (although that might be a bit too much credit, as plenty of that wasn't new, he just packaged it in a certain way that kinda established just general themes and ways to apply such to do mythological world building) and C.S. Lewis created a Bible allegory that is much more readable to kids.

This guy basically went from going "myths, like are real in that they're often based on real things but deliberately manipulated into exaggeration, and we can make them and are actively making them right now both consciously and subconsciously and it like causes us to view things in certain ways that affect the real world" to writing lullabies for angsty (predominantly white) teenaged boys to justify their rage brought on by puberty testosterone. Frankly the way he posits himself makes me think more of the nanny from Muppet Babies, where he's saying that we need to give these poor persecuted boys a safe space to release their hateboners free of any criticism (which totally has never ever caused problems at all), and that if we don't well apparently it will lead to Marxists murdering most of the world's population, because women, amirite? Which how he gets to there (its not like he even views these boys as the Marxists, in fact he's essentially arguing that they're need to combat some coming Marxist Apocalypse; which he should fucking know better, and know that it'd be more like the Crusades where its just extremist ideologues trying to kill each other while most people just wanna live happy lives, or is some asshole leveraging advantages to build some empire in their own name).

I have a bad hunch this guy has pretty much turned into L Ron Hubbard (thinks he's stumbled onto some secret knowledge and is intentionally seeding it for his own benefit), and actively knows that he's gaslighting the fuck out of impressionable and easily duped group at a particularly vulnerable point of their lives.
 
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glenn1

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I have a bad hunch this guy has pretty much turned into L Ron Hubbard (thinks he's stumbled onto some secret knowledge and is intentionally seeding it for his own benefit), and actively knows that he's gaslighting the fuck out of impressionable and easily duped group at a particularly vulnerable point of their lives.

So if it's just JP's space opera then do we get to send his followers across the galaxy to drop them into volcanoes?

 

senseamp

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The real problem is the Youtube culture we have now, where click-baiting and creating unending mostly fake outrage has been monetized, reduced down to a science, and promoted to exploit the depths of human psychology for monetary gain. Deep thinking and concentration is out, temporary dopamine hits and amygdala hacks are in in. I don't think we've hit the bottom with Trump, it's probably going to get worse, so keep your options open as far as having marketable skills and countries to migrate to if US goes down the tubes. Even Peter Thiel, big Trump supporter, went and got himself New Zealand citizenship after Donnie got elected, he knows this country is going down the tubes, just wants to cash in before bailing on it.
 

ch33zw1z

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Nov 4, 2004
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benzo addiction is hard on a body, especially when trying to quit cold turkey i guess

From the article

“After several failed treatment attempts in North American hospitals, including attempts at tapering and micro-tapering, we had to seek an emergency medical benzodiazepine detox, which we were only able to find in Russia,” she added. “It was incredibly grueling, and was further complicated by severe pneumonia which we’ve been told he developed in one of the previous hospitals. He’s had to spend four weeks in the ICU in terrible shape, but, with the help of some extremely competent and courageous doctors, he survived.”

The only place for treatment was Russian state run healthcare? Yikes.
 

TheVrolok

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cytg111

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Its my experience that "great" minds that does not deal in the natural sciences has a tendency towards depression. Meh.
 

VRAMdemon

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I'm eager to learn whether it's political correctness, cultural Marxism, feminism, or some combination of the three that is to blame for his drug addiction.

Also somewhat curious what kind of detox programs they have in Russia that they don't have in "numerous North American hospitals"..
 
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yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
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The only place for treatment was Russian state run healthcare? Yikes.
Word locally is the daughter's a quack herself and to enact her harebrained ideas of treatment she had to head to Russia to find doctors who'd play along.
 

sandorski

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So the guy who gives advice on how to live a successful life, is having to dry out of a benzodiazepine addiction. Is this part of being a lobster?

I hope many ask this question. All these Grifters, it's like we're all in a giant open Prison.
 
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