Judge beating his daughter on video

[Eli]

If you are vere fortunate enough to have family you'll understand that your job will be to oversee and jump in when things go wayward. Like when the wifey, bless her heart, maxes out her credit cards, lol, and then hides the bills, hehehehehehehe. And who said I beat my kids with a belt? By the way I haven't. I got 20+ years guy at this. Talk to me in 10. I can completely see how this dude could lose his cool. I got friend, who had a son who all but just ruined their household. They struggled to control and then him and his mother started fist fighting. In the course of the year, she just lost it. She cracked his head open with a frying pan after he got caught shoplifting.

I don't know what the story is here, but I doubt its pretty on either front. The parents have a role, but so do the kids. At 16 there should have been more of a mutual respect. Because in truth, these are two adults. I stopped being the leader when mine was 15. by then all the training is about done. I helped her make her own decisions, but I didn't force her to do anything. But now we can talked about anything, even really private stuff. She'll come to me even before she'll go to her mother. I approach this with a little bit more understanding. I guess because I been there a time or two or three

I understand what you're saying, I really do. That doesn't change the fact that you're completely delusional.

We have plenty of evidence that this guy is a real piece of work, and none that the daughter was some sort've household tyrant. Give me a break. Again, there is a clear line between discipline and abuse. This crosses over that line.

So you're saying that if the dad said, "Well, she shoplifted.." it would be OK? I mean listen to yourself. You can't rationalize this type of behavior. You shouldn't be able to. It's clear that this was not a one time event. This guy "lost his cool" over and over again on his family. You think that's OK?

 

[classy]

He flew off the handle because she downloaded music..

You sound exactly like a conspiracy theorist trying to grasp at straws. Possible, on some far off distant planet? Sure. Likely? No, pretty much slim to none.

You have a pretty fucked up view of the world, it seems. Yes, Lewinsky kept the dress. Of course she did. She knew what she was doing.

There isn't a 16 year old on the planet that would wish this on themselves. That isn't how kids think.

Yea it was music today? What about yesterday? Did anything occur last week? Last month? Being a kid and raising is two different things. I said repeatedly at her age this shouldn't have happened. This idea she was just afraid, well that can't be all that true. Because apparently he told her more than once he didn't want her doing that. So obviously he didn't scare her enough for her to go and do it again. But all this is, is speculation. Here is my end game, I am missing Pysch .

I don't have a problem with belt whipping. Clearly this guy blew his lid. But even in that, he didn't her all that much. And it was 7 years ago and the young lady decides to release the video. Oh well such is life.......................

I believe there is more to this story than just that 7 minute video.................

 

[Powermoloch]

No child should be punished like that for downloading music

 

[Eli]

Yea it was music today? What about yesterday? Did anything occur last week? Last month? Being a kid and raising is two different things. I said repeatedly at her age this shouldn't have happened. This idea she was just afraid, well that can't be all that true. Because apparently he told her more than once he didn't want her doing that. So obviously he didn't scare her enough for her to go and do it again. But all this is, is speculation. Here is my end game, I am missing Pysch .

I don't have a problem with belt whipping. Clearly this guy blew his lid. But even in that, he didn't her all that much. And it was 7 years ago and the young lady decides to release the video. Oh well such is life.......................

I believe there is more to this story than just that 7 minute video.................

It doesn't matter what she did! She could have stolen a cop car and went joyriding around the state with a 35 year old dreadlocked woop woop juggalo and it wouldn't have warranted this type of behavior. That's the sick part, you think you can justify this. You cannot.

 

[classy]

I understand what you're saying, I really do. That doesn't change the fact that you're completely delusional.

We have plenty of evidence that this guy is a real piece of work, and none that the daughter was some sort've household tyrant. Give me a break. Again, there is a clear line between discipline and abuse. This crosses over that line.

So you're saying that if the dad said, "Well, she shoplifted.." it would be OK? I mean listen to yourself. You can't rationalize this type of behavior. You shouldn't be able to. It's clear that this was not a one time event. This guy "lost his cool" over and over again on his family. You think that's OK?

Okay last one

That is not what I am saying. here is what I am saying, was the downloading of music, was that the straw that broke the camel's back? Was she a child that just was troublesome and after so many events, he just turned to corporal punishment, because nothing else worked? See you are not thinking about that. Hell for all we know she could have got caught smoking blunt last week, stole money from her mom two days earlier, then this, and dude just snapped. And believe it or not, that is a very real pattern that occurs in many families.

Understand some parents turn to corporal punishment, when nothing else works. There are bad parents and there are some bad kids. And far too often they are not related to each other.

 

[MagickMan]

You seem quite angry right now, and for not giving two shits about me you did just repeat yourself. I've made my point in previous posts on the very page as the quoted, which you obviously don't care to read. Which is fine, but being willfully ignorant is your problem. Don't expect me to spoon-feed you like your parents obviously did; a little too much or too little I gather.

He'll just go beat his wife and kids, it'll make him feel better. :thumbsup:

 

[trmiv]

Yea it was music today? What about yesterday? Did anything occur last week? Last month? Being a kid and raising is two different things. I said repeatedly at her age this shouldn't have happened. This idea she was just afraid, well that can't be all that true. Because apparently he told her more than once he didn't want her doing that. So obviously he didn't scare her enough for her to go and do it again. But all this is, is speculation. Here is my end game, I am missing Pysch .

I don't have a problem with belt whipping. Clearly this guy blew his lid. But even in that, he didn't her all that much. And it was 7 years ago and the young lady decides to release the video. Oh well such is life.......................

I believe there is more to this story than just that 7 minute video.................

Yea, stuff like a history of abuse.

 

[Ichinisan]

Didn't watch the whole thing, but I was whipped like that (bare ass, with a belt) many times as a kid in the 80s. Even the school whipped me with a wooden paddle many times.

 

[Eli]

Okay last one

That is not what I am saying. here is what I am saying, was the downloading of music, was that the straw that broke the camel's back? Was she a child that just was troublesome and after so many events, he just turned to corporal punishment, because nothing else worked? See you are not thinking about that. Hell for all we know she could have got caught smoking blunt last week, stole money from her mom two days earlier, then this, and dude just snapped. And believe it or not, that is a very real pattern that occurs in many families.

Understand some parents turn to corporal punishment, when nothing else works. There are bad parents and there are some bad kids. And far too often they are not related to each other.

I would agree with you if this was a one time event. It clearly was not.

 

[SandEagle]

i got a feeling that the number of youtube hits on it is going to rake in six figures for her. plus, now she's going to get book deals and tv interviews. she basically won the lottery with that

 

[Red Squirrel]

The thing that gets me the most is the reason behind the beatings. Downloading music... really?! If they're on a capped internet plan and that worried about going over, then just cap her internet usage at the router, or don't let her have a computer in her room, or something. There are much better ways to approach a silly problem like this.

It's not like she came home pregnant or something, she just downloaded a couple MP3's. Big freaking deal. Install pfsense, if she starts getting near the cap, disconnect her room.. lot of ways to fix the problem if it's really that bad. There are some effective punishments without needing to use violence.

 

[irishScott]

The thing that gets me the most is the reason behind the beatings. Downloading music... really?! If they're on a capped internet plan and that worried about going over, then just cap her internet usage at the router, or don't let her have a computer in her room, or something. There are much better ways to approach a silly problem like this.

It's not like she came home pregnant or something, she just downloaded a couple MP3's. Big freaking deal. Install pfsense, if she starts getting near the cap, disconnect her room.. lot of ways to fix the problem if it's really that bad. There are some effective punishments without needing to use violence.

If she came home pregnant and he started beating her, I'd have zero moral problem twisting his nuts. He's obviously ultraconservative, surely he'd understand.

 

[classy]

Well CNN has a page about it now. He is divorced from his wife and I guess the daughters live with the mom. He says that the girl is mad because he asked for the "car" to be returned. The mom says they suffered for years under abuse. Hmmmm.....

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/02/justice/texas-video-beating/

 

[Taejin]

No one condone this. And you refer to the video, he didn't really blow his top till she refused to let him smack her on the rear. I raised a child all the way to adulthood. Its easy to sit and look at that video and cast all kind of judgement. But I been there, this dude lost his cool. But most posting some of this nonsense ain't parents and don't have the first clue.

Let me know when you get the first accident bill and they weren't suppose to be driving the car. Let me know when they lose, literally several hundred bucks while on a trip. Get your first whopper cell bill. Let me know when you hear the boyfirend and his friends swing by at 3 am in the morning. Let me know when you go through these situations without losing your cool. And I can post many many other wonderful opportunitys.

I said very plainly at her age, he is wrong here. But I don't have a problem with someone hitting someone with a belt. But I say all that not to say I fully condone this, but as a parent, I can understand his slip here.

I think your ignorant posting history in this thread primarily derives from the fact that you don't know what a long-term abusive father and husband looks like, and you're only looking at it as a one-time deserved whipping situation.

I'm intimately familiar with her situation, I know this because of the way the mother acts, which is typical of long-term abuse, not short term temper loss.

 

[Taejin]

OK buddy. We both clearly have views. They seem to be opposite.

Which is more likely? Come on, tell me. Given all of the evidence so far, you think this is normal behavior? There's about a 1% chance that this was a one time event. Probably less. Why would she set up the camera in the first place? That one simple question tells you all you need to know about the probability of this man being some sort've saint.

its not a one time event. its chronic, and the way you can tell is by the behavior of the mother.

 

[classy]

I think your ignorant posting history in this thread primarily derives from the fact that you don't know what a long-term abusive father and husband looks like, and you're only looking at it as a one-time deserved whipping situation.

I'm intimately familiar with her situation, I know this because of the way the mother acts, which is typical of long-term abuse, not short term temper loss.

WEll dude coming from you nothing new under the sun. No one can look at that 7 minute video and intimately determine anything. Give me a break, lol.................what are you Dr Phil now. Its 7 minutes. Short of all parties speaking you wouldn't know anything. Please.............

 

[Taejin]

WEll dude coming from you nothing new under the sun. No one can look at that 7 minute video and intimately determine anything. Give me a break, lol.................what are you Dr Phil now. Its 7 minutes. Short of all parties speaking you wouldn't know anything. Please.............

Coming from me? Well, I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but maybe you are just as abusive as this guy, and are trying to justify the shitty way you raised your kids by trying to make the girl seem like a manipulative, conniving bitch.

Like I said, you can tell by the way the mother behaves. If this was a rare situation, she would be trying to stop the half-insane behavior by the father. Instead, she is probably abused herself, and attempting to blunt the conflict by fighting fire with smaller fire.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

WEll dude coming from you nothing new under the sun. No one can look at that 7 minute video and intimately determine anything. Give me a break, lol.................what are you Dr Phil now. Its 7 minutes. Short of all parties speaking you wouldn't know anything. Please.............

Anyone that's taken a basic psych class can see that this isn't a one time occurrence.

You are one of those people that would blame a rape victim for bringing it on herself because she was wearing a sexy outfit.

 

[WHAMPOM]

fake

Story of your life?

 

[al981]

why do you like to beat women?

still continuing to lie and dodge everything i posted? yeah.

you exemplify the continuing pussification of america, son.

 

[al981]

Yes, I'm going to deny that, she fell off the bed and he kept striking her, hitting her above the waist, and he was hitting her arms. Doesn't matter if he was trying to hit her thighs, he shouldn't be hitting them anyway. He was going crazy on her, cussing her out, hitting her when she was on the floor. The guy is a piece of shit.

I can't believe you're still defending this, you sick bastard.

cussing at your teenage child is now a crime? cry more.
disciplining a child with a belt, with all strikes aimed below the waist, while some hit her arm and she moved to defend the lower strikes, is now a crime? cry more.

you are another poster that exemplifies the continuing pussification of america.

 

[mugs]

cussing at your teenage child is now a crime? cry more.
disciplining a child with a belt, with all strikes aimed below the waist, while some hit her arm and she moved to defend the lower strikes, is now a crime? cry more.

you are another poster that exemplifies the continuing pussification of america.

Ok! We get it! You're white trash! You don't have to drive the point home any more. That "pussification of America" line you use in every post is a good one, did you think of that all by yourself?

 

[al981]

You seem quite angry right now, and for not giving two shits about me you did just repeat yourself. I've made my point in previous posts on the very page as the quoted, which you obviously don't care to read. Which is fine, but being willfully ignorant is your problem. Don't expect me to spoon-feed you like your parents obviously did; a little too much or too little I gather.

what could possibly make you think i'm angry, son? to dispel your myth, i'll say that every time i post, i smile. not much anger there, eh? was it the profanity? because i just used your own words and threw it back in your face

again, "i don't give two shits" about you, or your personal stories, so why would i read them? my questions directed at you have absolutely nothing to do with your personal experiences, but i guess you weren't smart enough to realize that. here, let me spell it out for you, son (with smiles, get it?):

"so which part of post #243 directed at you is incorrect? again, since you missed it or flat out ignored it, if you [or any other teenager] fucked up and got disciplined for it, especially below the waist, as is what happened in the video, then you [or any other teenager] have no right to "break your father's arm" as you stated earlier in post #222. following?

damn, sorry to have to spoon feed you the question. let's hope you don't duck again this time, son (smiles, just for you).

 

[al981]

Ok! We get it! You're white trash! You don't have to drive the point home any more. That "pussification of America" line you use in every post is a good one, did you think of that all by yourself?

white trash is a new one. did you think of that all by yourself, kid?

 

[irishScott]

Well CNN has a page about it now. He is divorced from his wife and I guess the daughters live with the mom. He says that the girl is mad because he asked for the "car" to be returned. The mom says they suffered for years under abuse. Hmmmm.....

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/02/justice/texas-video-beating/

Hmmm indeed. Sounds exactly like the bullshit my dad used to make up. You don't have to be intrinsically evil to abuse your family, just sick in the head. I'm sure our dear judge rationalized that he was doing the right thing the entire time.