Judge beating his daughter on video

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Wreckem

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Asking for a car back isn't cutting off someone financially.

It is part of cutting off someone financially. We don't know the full story.

Like I said, if she threatened to reveal the tape to prevent him from taking back the Benz, she committed a crime. If this is the case(not saying it is), his career is ruined and not only is her gravy train gone, but she also will have ruined her own life because she'll have a criminal record.
 
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al981

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al981,

For one, the kid being hit in that video is told WHY. He is told why he is receiving punishment before it occurs and what the punishment will be. He knows the incorrect behavior he did that his "guardian" didn't like and knows the consequences. He receives several "licks" for it and then the guardian stops.

huh? the daughter was told why she screwed up as well. she foulked up, KNEW it was coming, and turned on the cam to record it. she also received "several licks" and the father stopped smackin her rear with belt after that. clear as day.

The difference in those two video's is NIGHT AND DAY.

1) The boy is never struck in the face or the back of the head.
2) The boy is told what his punishment is for and receives 9 licks for it.
3) The guardian stops after punishment is administered.

For the girls this is why it's abuse
1) She was struck in the face at 1:57 in the video as I stated before.
2) She was struck in the back of the head at least once at 3:22.
3) The father came BACK to "get his licks in" after punishment had been already administered at 3:12
4) The girl received 30+ lashings combined from the parents

#1) the girl was never struck in the head. you claim she was at 3:22, but her entire body was off camera at that time. if she WAS struck in the head, she sure didn't make a peep at 3:22. oh wait, her head then appears at 3:30, nowhere near where the belt struck. stop lying about striking the head.

#2) yes, he touched her head / upperbody area at 1:57 and shoved it towards the bed, but she was never "struck" by a hand or belt in the head. you realize the difference, right? a strike would in the head usually leaves bruises. it's what you see in domestic violence cases. you know, real beatings. now, you can stop lying about the father "striking" her face. never happened.

#3) get his licks in? of course, and why not? that's parental discipline that only lasted a few minutes, not hours. not even tens of minutes. not even 5 minutes. not even 4. not even 3. less than a few minutes of actual physical contact with a belt. all of which were aimed at the lower regions of the body.

4) and the male was hit 13 times. so what? both ended within a few minutes. both were in pain, he was scared shitless and terrorized, just as the girl. the only difference was she was crying.

There is a clear difference and you a worthless piece of trash to think otherwise. STFU and GTFO.

then again, you're the one lying about the daughter being struck in the face. flat out lying to push your own views? good stuff. how about you GTFO. you have no credibility.
 
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I love the way people are so willing to draw adverse conclusions about this young woman's motivations based on little or no evidence, and exculpate her father despite unimpeachable evidence of child abuse. I don't know if this comes from a dislike of women, an excessive deference to parents, or an actual fondness for abusing children. In any case, you guys are amazing (and not in a good way) . . .
 

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Well I just watched the video and apparently he had filed for custody of the younger daughter earlier in the year.
 

wirednuts

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i hope that judge and the mother both get raped in jail. fuck those people, there is nothing that kid could have done to be warrant that abuse. holy shit man... i mean when i got beat it was just more of a scare tactic thing, mom would never actually injure us like that. those parents hate their kid! and my GOD i would love to absolutely beat the living shit out of that dad. i fucking hate guys like that. im sure he thinks hes a man for beatin up little girls. god i would love to rearrange his face... i would take so much pleasure in it. i wouldnt kill him, but i wouldnt stop at permanent disabilities either.

doesnt anyone realize at 16, if you think your kid is really behaving THAT bad, it might be your fault? im sorry but they had 16 years to get that kid to understand what life needs to be like, and they clearly have done a TERRIBLE job at parenting.
 
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Miramonti

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Explain to me one thing and I'll shut up. Why on earth did all this coincide with the father cutting the 22 year victim off financially? Is it just random chance? Open your eyes.

And you know a story behind a situation/disagreement/argument that lead him to 'cut her off' financially, or is this another @ss-grab taken from his comment it was about "returning a car"?

And with this probable @ss-grab of facts, your argument is that he shouldn't be accountable for years of abuse, or he should be but on his terms?
 
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Desin

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I love the way people are so willing to draw adverse conclusions about this young woman's motivations based on little or no evidence, and exculpate her father despite unimpeachable evidence of child abuse. I don't know if this comes from a dislike of women, an excessive deference to parents, or an actual fondness for abusing children. In any case, you guys are amazing (and not in a good way) . . .

Very few are saying her father is in the right. I'm just saying the daughter had more motive in releasing the tape than pushing her father to "get help".
 

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This whole thing is just bizarre. I agree the video is disturbing.

This interview is unsettling as well. Why in the world would they go on national television to speak to Matt Lauer other that for money or attention? They skate around every single yes or no question asked. When the mother asked if she feared for her safety, she never answered the question. Also, when the daughter was asked if she regretted posting the video, she avoided that answer too. Just a simple yes or no would have sufficed for these questions, but instead they gave responses that didn't indicate either.

It just seems to me that they have an agenda other than addressing the abuse issue. I wouldn't doubt that the mother encouraged her to post it. Maybe it was a ploy to help with her current custody battle.
 

Wreckem

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I love the way people are so willing to draw adverse conclusions about this young woman's motivations based on little or no evidence, and exculpate her father despite unimpeachable evidence of child abuse. I don't know if this comes from a dislike of women, an excessive deference to parents, or an actual fondness for abusing children. In any case, you guys are amazing (and not in a good way) . . .

What the father did was wrong. IF she had released this three years ago, he'd be charged. As of now its likely well beyond the SOL. He was wrong. I have never said otherwise.

However, [hypothetically] if(and its a big if as we don't know the whole story) she used the threat of releasing the tape as leverage to try and prevent the father from taking her Benz back and/or cut her off financially, she [may have] indeed committed a felony.

If I was the Daughter, Mother, or Father, I would be hiring legal counsel, because all three are going to need it.
 
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sygyzy

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Judge is wrong.

With that out of the way, it bothers me a little that the girl is pretty manipulative. She was downloading pirated music. From the NBC video/interview it's clear she understood this was wrong. Not only that but she knew that doing so would upset her father. Remember, this happened 7(?) years ago, at the height of the RIAA crackdowns and as a judge, he definitely was aware of the laws and wanted to distance himself from any controversy that may arise. She knew what she was doing and knew it'd piss off her dad. She said she setup the camera thirty minutes before the beating, so she was waiting for it.

When you ask her about it, she says things like "Oh [the music] was only available overseas so I couldn't have bought it if I wanted," somehow justifying it in her mind.

I know many of you don't care about the reason and I don't either so don't get confused and think I am focusing on the piracy. What I am saying is the daughter isn't some innocent girl with cerebral palsy. Lots of questions here like why she released it now and why on YouTube and not the authorities, etc.
 

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And you know a story behind a situation/disagreement/argument that lead him to 'cut her off' financially, or is this another @ss-grab taken from his comment it was about "returning a car"?

And with this probable @ss-grab of facts, your argument is that he shouldn't be accountable for years of abuse, or he should be but on his terms?

Did you read anything I've written? He should be accountable for his actions, and he should also be held to a higher level because of his position. I'm not debating that at all.

I'm only saying, as I've said ten times in this thread, that it is my opinion that the daughter is full of shit about why she uploaded the video for the world to see.
 
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Very few are saying her father is in the right. I'm just saying the daughter had more motive in releasing the tape than pushing her father to "get help".

Why does it need to be anything more complicated than anger toward him? He is absolutely terrorizing her in that video. Any psychiatrist will tell you that treating children that way not only damages their psyche (leading to loss of self-esteem, and drug/alcohol addiction), it literally changes the way the brain develops. She has every right to be pissed at him. I want to beat the shit out of Judge Adams when I watch that - I can only imagine what it feels like to HER when she watches that video.

The idea that there is some kind of financial motive is sheer speculation and I consider it a rather nonsensical theory - how does she stand to profit from taking an action which will likely lead to him losing a good, lucrative job and being shamed in the community?

The worst thing I can see as an explanation for this is that she hates him and wanted to ruin his life by releasing this video. Even if that's true, all she did was release an unedited video of his ACTUAL behavior, not make any false allegations about him. I can't see anything wrong with it, legally or morally. It will probably make it harder and perhaps impossible for them to restore a healthy relationship, but it's her choice and I can't fault her under the circumstances.
 
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However, if(and its a big if as we don't know the whole story) she used the threat of releasing the tape as leverage to try and prevent the father from taking her Benz back and/or cut her off financially, she indeed committed a felony.

a. You're not an attorney licensed in Texas (are you?), and have no background on which you can draw legal conclusions about Texas criminal statutes and their application.

b. More importantly, there IS no evidence on which to base such a conclusion. All there is is conjecture. There is nothing in any reporting on this case to suggest that the victim extorted anything from her father. He claimed in a brief interview that "she's mad because I've ordered her to bring the car back." Even he is not claiming she threatened to release the tape unless she was permitted to keep the car. Even if we indulge his self-serving claim as true, her taking a legal action for what might be seen as a trivial reason does not constitute extortion.
 

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The idea that there is some kind of financial motive is sheer speculation and I consider it a rather nonsensical theory - how does she stand to profit from taking an action which will likely lead to him losing a good, lucrative job and being shamed in the community?

The worst thing I can see as an explanation for this is that she hates him and wanted to ruin his life by releasing this video. Even if that's true, all she did was release an unedited video of his ACTUAL behavior, not make any false allegations about him. I can't see anything wrong with it, legally or morally. It will probably make it harder and perhaps impossible for them to restore a healthy relationship, but it's her choice and I can't fault her under the circumstances.

Why didn't she release the video before now? Why didn't she send it to the authorities instead of posting it to Youtube? Why did she do this after getting her car taken away? Why would she care about him losing a good, lucrative job and shamed? She stands to profit by embarrassing the shit out of her father for taking her car away. I don't think she had any idea how big this would get when she released the video.
 

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a. You're not an attorney licensed in Texas (are you?), and have no background on which you can draw legal conclusions about Texas criminal statutes and their application.

b. More importantly, there IS no evidence on which to base such a conclusion. All there is is conjecture. There is nothing in any reporting on this case to suggest that the victim extorted anything from her father. He claimed in a brief interview that "she's mad because I've ordered her to bring the car back." Even he is not claiming she threatened to release the tape unless she was permitted to keep the car. Even if we indulge his self-serving claim as true, her taking a legal action for what might be seen as a trivial reason does not constitute extortion.

Even if she told him straight up that she would release the video if she didn't get what she wanted, I highly doubt the father would say anything to get her thrown in jail.
 

Wreckem

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a. You're not an attorney licensed in Texas (are you?), and have no background on which you can draw legal conclusions about Texas criminal statutes and their application.

b. More importantly, there IS no evidence on which to base such a conclusion. All there is is conjecture. There is nothing in any reporting on this case to suggest that the victim extorted anything from her father. He claimed in a brief interview that "she's mad because I've ordered her to bring the car back." Even he is not claiming she threatened to release the tape unless she was permitted to keep the car. Even if we indulge his self-serving claim as true, her taking a legal action for what might be seen as a trivial reason does not constitute extortion.

Like I said, we don't know the full story. Releasing the tape on its own would be legal. Hypothetically, making a threat to release a video tape in order to get someone to conform to your wishes is probably not legal, even if the information being revealed is true or criminal in nature.
 
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Why didn't she release the video before now? Why didn't she send it to the authorities instead of posting it to Youtube? Why did she do this after getting her car taken away? Why would she care about him losing a good, lucrative job and shamed? She stands to profit by embarrassing the shit out of her father for taking her car away. I don't think she had any idea how big this would get when she released the video.

No way of knowing why she didn't release the tape sooner. I would expect it was in large part out of fear, and in part due to misguided loyalty to an abusive parent.

Don't know why she put this on Youtube rather than sending it to the authorities - probably out of anger, with full knowledge it would be more harmful to him to do it the way she did.

Why do it after having her car taken away? We don't even know if that is true. All we know is her father said it. She said she released it after her father subjected her to a barrage of abusive language. Both might be true. Certainly anger must have played a role as well.

Why would she care about him losing his job? Again, probably anger. It certainly doesn't financially benefit her to see him lose income. I see it as a way of giving him a well-deserved ostracizing.

You say, without explaining why, that "he stands to profit by embarrassing the shit out of her father for taking her car away." How does she "profit" from this? She will certainly get well-deserved sympathy and feel the satisfaction of seeing him shamed, but those are direct by-products of his shameful behavior and her victimization. Both seem like fair consequences. I still don't see that as "profit" to her. If anything she probably loses out financially in that her father will likely cease providing her with any kind of financial support - many 23-year-olds receive such support in one way or another.
 

Miramonti

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Did you read anything I've written? He should be accountable for his actions, and he should also be held to a higher level because of his position. I'm not debating that at all.

I'm only saying, as I've said ten times in this thread, that it is my opinion that the daughter is full of shit about why she uploaded the video for the world to see.

I understand that and that's why I'm asking for information where you learned he cut her off financially because I have not heard or read this.

There has been a lot of assumptions about the girl and her motives by some in this thread, many mind-boggling ones, and am just interested in if there is merit to your statement he cut her off and what else about this angle that was discussed (and by whom.)
 

Wreckem

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No way of knowing why she didn't release the tape sooner. I would expect it was in large part out of fear, and in part due to misguided loyalty to an abusive parent.

Don't know why she put this on Youtube rather than sending it to the authorities - probably out of anger, with full knowledge it would be more harmful to him to do it the way she did.

Why do it after having her car taken away? We don't even know if that is true. All we know is her father said it. She said she released it after her father subjected her to a barrage of abusive language. Both might be true. Certainly anger must have played a role as well.

Why would she care about him losing his job? Again, probably anger. It certainly doesn't financially benefit her to see him lose income. I see it as a way of giving him a well-deserved ostracizing.

You say, without explaining why, that "he stands to profit by embarrassing the shit out of her father for taking her car away." How does she "profit" from this? She will certainly get well-deserved sympathy and feel the satisfaction of seeing him shamed, but those are direct by-products of his shameful behavior and her victimization. Both seem like fair consequences. I still don't see that as "profit" to her. If anything she probably loses out financially in that her father will likely cease providing her with any kind of financial support - many 23-year-olds receive such support in one way or another.


You are making just as many assumptions as everyone else.

Everyone in this thread is making assumptions based off of imperfect and incomplete information.

There are all sorts of plausible theories and assumptions people can come up with. Nothing, at least yet, is really confirmed or denied as we don't know anything other than the father overstepped the boundaries of discipline over 7 years ago.

We don't know the full story. We likely never will. Outside the video tape, it all comes down to he said she said. And the video tape by itself doesn't prove 1st degree felony abuse of a child, disabled, or elder has occurred. It no doubt likely proves 3rd degree felony abuse of a child, disabled person, elder, but SOL would appear to have run out on that charge.

What the father did was despicable, there is no defending that. I just hope for her sake, she didn't make threats.
 
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classy

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What I don't get is, if he did all this to you, why would you continue to accept assistance from him in anyway? If you wanted to distance yourself, why would you continue conversations with him. I just feel like, she held over someone's head they may have commited a crime, but in a sick twisted way staying quiet had its perks. But then those perks are threatened to go away and now you wanna take the position of complete absolution. Its like if I see someone assaulted and then I am assaulted by the same person, but they do things to make me happy, I keep quiet about what I seen them do to someone else. I just can't help to think this young woman, while maybe a victim, is just as slimy.
 
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