Judge beating his daughter on video

[HendrixFan]

so why was his hand at the back of his head if not for defending? why did the kid raise his arm and shoulder at 19 seconds, along with competely hiding his head? was he doing a a new type of dance routine for the world to see? after all, you claimed it was impossible for a high starting position to swing towards the upper body

i'd suggest you buy a better monitor to see the the belt does indeed impact his arm, on multiple occasions, and his shirt is impacted as well. maybe i should read up on how to make a gif to demonstrate what you're either intentionally lying and ignoring, or just flat out unable to see due to poor eyesight.

My hardware is in my sig, I have a 30" Dell. I never said it was impossible to start from a high position and swing towards the upper body. I said it was impossible to start from a high position and swing downward and land a blow to the upper body. That remains true. I assume the hand to the back of the head was an instinctive measure, which he quickly moved towards the area that was being dealt punishment, his rear.

Make a gif, go slo mo with a vid and upload it to youtube. It doesn't matter because you are reaching by trying to make stuff up that is easily seen as phony. All in a pathetic attempt to defend the actions of a child abuser. Why do you do that?

 

[zinfamous]

discipline indeed.

btw, the whole of the above post was to discredit your "findings", but i see jjsole did that before me LOL!

afk!

i don't think you guys read the link--62% more for males as victims of domestic violence. All forms of abuse at home--child or adult, fall under domestic violence.

who are these males being abused? why do we have such high rates of African Americans being abused at home, and such high rates of African Americans in prison? And by abuse, we are tlaking about classy's form of discipline, about the earlier poster's coworker saying "this is how black people do it, that's discipline!"

either way you look at, increased levels of abuse or decreased levels of attention (your argument) are as equally corollary with these numbers. arguing about causation is something that we are all, erroneously, guilty of.

point stands--you're perspective is no more or less accurate than mine. claiming otherwise is intellectual dishonest and vacant.

 

[ichy]

i'm sure he means the massacres, ie columbine.

Um, those sorts of incidents are incredibly rare. Someone using Columbine as an anecdote to show that white kids are screwed up is a brain-dead idiot.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

If a couple of the members in this thread were asked to answer either yes or no, to the question: Have you stopped beating your wife/kids yet? I am certain the answer would be no.

 

[HumblePie]

you failed at reading comprehension. again, VIOLENCE does not equal discipline, and vice versa. failed again, zinfamous.

troll harder, you proven liar.

Go look on wikipedia domestic corporal punishment. There are statistics listed there that black families use corporal punishment in the USA much more than white families as well as have more domestic abuse. Also it is used more on male adolescents than any other demographic despite every study ever done studying the effectiveness of corporal punishment all showing and stating that corporal punishment is the LEAST effective or male adolescents than any other demographic.

here is the link for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment_in_the_home


There is plenty out there to google over this.

It is also telling that more religious people prefer domestic corporal punishment over other forms. And it is also telling that black people are more likely to be "devout" religious followers than white. Black people also are less likely to be atheist. Also the poor someone is the more likely the will be the following: a) favor corporal punishment b) be religously devout c) not be white.

There are a ton of correlations there, but the sum is that the poor, religous devout, non white people are more likely to use domestic violence than not. They are also more likely in this and most countries to commit most of societies crimes. That is what statistical data shows as correlations.


It's a sad but revealing statistic that I wish was not the case. I wish there was little to no violent crime and domestic abuse in this world.

 

[Perknose]

Just stop responding guys. They're not worth the time. If the point hasn't been hammered home in 25 pages, they're not coming around.

:thumbsup:

 

[ShawnD1]

why do we have such high rates of African Americans being abused at home, and such high rates of African Americans in prison? And by abuse, we are tlaking about classy's form of discipline, about the earlier poster's coworker saying "this is how black people do it, that's discipline!"

Black people have higher levels of testosterone. That by itself could account for a very significant percentage of the crime gap, just as men having more testosterone than women makes men a lot more crime oriented than women.

 

[busydude]

Black people have higher levels of testosterone. That by itself could account for a very significant percentage of the crime gap, just as men having more testosterone than women makes men a lot more crime oriented than women.

Any link to that?

 

[ShawnD1]

Any link to that?

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/89/3/188.full
article is about why black men have higher rates of prostate cancer than men of other races

In a study of early pregnancy, Ross found that testosterone levels were 50% higher in African- American women than in white women. He speculates that this increased hormonal exposure in utero might reset the so-called “gonadostat feed-back loop,” which regulates testosterone secretion, to a higher level.

A follow-up study of healthy young men found that circulating testosterone levels were 15% higher in African-Americans than in whites
....

 

[HumblePie]

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/89/3/188.full
article is about why black men have higher rates of prostate cancer than men of other races

There are a ton of correlations from that study and the strongest was diet over anything else. Asians that leave their home countries have higher risks for more cancers than anything else. The largest differences in diet are two fold. They eat more here and what they eat here typically includes way more dairy.

But even here, African Americans typically consume more food that other races, and more dairy as well.

So is it safer to assume that either over eating or eating more dairy is what is causing higher levels of testorone and higher levels of prostrate cancer? Again, it's a correlation and not a causation that has been found yet.

 

[Taejin]

the father is definitely narcissistic.

I think anyone in the medical industry who deals with these kinds of families will say that the primary abuser is usually a total narcissist. It always comes down to 'someone else's fault' and the abuser will act like they were a victim too.

 

[HumblePie]

Also stated above, that domestic corporal punishment is FAR less effective on male adolescents because they have higher rates of testosterone flooding their bodies at that age. Puberty is such an emotional and physical rollercoaster for everyone due to the increase of hormones in our bodies to change us into adults. Which makes adolescents susceptible to reacting on baser instincts than reason. Which is why we all understand the "rebellious teenage phase" that everyone goes through. Using physical violence of any sort as a form of punishment to male teens will typically have the OPPOSITE effect of its intention.

Anyone that hit me when I was a teen was asking for me to hit them back regardless. There are far more effective methods of punishment for a child that has reached puberty than corporal punishment. Which is why many countries that have a restriction on domestic corporal punishment usually restrict the use of it to children between the ages of 2 and 12 where its use is most effective.

 

[SeaSerpent]

Hmm...well let me first start of on saying that there are some very intelligent people on this forum, some not so much.

I grew up in a pretty abusive home. My father was not involved in my up bringing up till the age of 13 or so and Im sure that was pretty hard on my mom. She was a very abusive woman, I can remember getting beat with a belt, I have had broken bones and I have physical and mental scars. This judge is one repulsive character, and I can bet that by his actions this was not a one time thing.

Im a firm believer that violence in the home is something handed down from generation to generation. Ruling on fear and terror to me is not the proper way to raise your childern. I have an 18 year old son and I did not hit him and he has grown up to be a well adjusted young man..

I know I do not post much, but I have enjoyed coming here every day reading all of your discussions.

Thanks,

 

[qliveur]

Broken bones?

Your mom belongs in prison.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Hmm...well let me first start of on saying that there are some very intelligent people on this forum, some not so much.

I grew up in a pretty abusive home. My father was not involved in my up bringing up till the age of 13 or so and Im sure that was pretty hard on my mom. She was a very abusive woman, I can remember getting beat with a belt, I have had broken bones and I have physical and mental scars. This judge is one repulsive character, and I can bet that by his actions this was not a one time thing.

Im a firm believer that violence in the home is something handed down from generation to generation. Ruling on fear and terror to me is not the proper way to raise your childern. I have an 18 year old son and I did not hit him and he has grown up to be a well adjusted young man..

I know I do not post much, but I have enjoyed coming here every day reading all of your discussions.

Thanks,

I'm sorry you experienced that. Thanks for your post and for your care in parenting.

 

[classy]

The dad released a statement

http://www.caller.com/news/2011/nov/03/judge-william-adams-speaks-about-about-belt-lashin/

Judge Adams’ lawyer, William Dudley, said in a written statement that Hillary Adams’ answers in response to questions about the timing of her decision to share the video “have been confusing and hollow ... Very few people find palatable her claim that it was to ‘help’ her father.”

Just before the YouTube upload, Judge Adams told his daughter he was unwilling to continue supporting her financially because the young piano prodigy wasn’t living up to her potential, instead dropping out of school and working part time at a video game store.

“Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it,” Dudley said. “The post was then uploaded.”

The lawyer also suggested Hillary Adams played up her disability, a form of cerebral palsy, to gain public sympathy, when in reality she is a “highly functional adult.”

I still believe they all need help and its a shame that this is now in the media.

 

[HendrixFan]

I still believe they all need help and its a shame that this is now in the media.

Her father's smear campaign is disgusting. There is no excuse for being an abuser, and in fact, what has "come out" from his side since the video only reinforces the idea that the video was no one time thing.

 

[zinfamous]

The dad released a statement

http://www.caller.com/news/2011/nov/03/judge-william-adams-speaks-about-about-belt-lashin/





I still believe they all need help and its a shame that this is now in the media.

excellent. this one thing completely excuses the years of abuse and mental terror that this man subjected on his wife and children.

This man is now a saint, not because his behavior and true nature was exposed, but because in his words--it was exposed in a vindictive nature.

cute.

and as always--stay classy, classy.

 

[actuarial]

The thing I like most about classy's arguments is how he plays both side of the issue.

One one hand he says there was nothing wrong with what the judge did, but on the other the girl released the video to be vindictive. How does releasing a video of a person doing something perfectly legal / nothing wrong work to hurt that person?

One one hand he believes that this is a one time incident, on the other the girl set up the video as a sting operation and then intentionally disobeyed him. How could she possibly have known this would be his reaction if this was the first and only time he reacted this way?

 

[HNNstyle]

I really don't see anything wrong with what the judge did. I do agree that it was disturbing to watch but parents generally do have the right to spank their children.

 

[ichy]

I really don't see anything wrong with what the judge did. I do agree that it was disturbing to watch but parents generally do have the right to spank their children.

If it was just spanking her with a belt then it would be one thing. Not how I'd raise kids if I had them, but parents have the right to do things their way. What creeps me out is how this guy seemed to be on a power trip, as well as how he was doing it out of anger. If you're going to use corporal punishment you can at least wait a couple minutes, take a deep breath and make sure the punishment is proportional to the infraction. Threatening to hit her in the face is also NOT cool. Spanking is one thing, hitting someone across the face is something totally different.

Who knows what was really going on here though, the way the filming was set up is weird, and the fact that she waited seven years to release this film? Very odd.

 

[Bird222]

Back of the head is not the face. I'm not back pedalling.

I said at 1:57 he struck her int he face. It's clear to see and on camera that he does. You said, "Oh that's a shove" but a shove is strike according to the law of all 50 states in the USA. So there I am right and you are wrong.

I said at 3:22 he strikes her in the back of the head. This is also clear to see. I said it sounded like he hit her with the belt buckle and that is an easy conclusion to reach despite not actually able to see it. The belt is in his hand. He is strike at her head which is the only part off camera. She is face down laying on the bed so unless her face is turned, he is striking at the back of the head. The sound it makes is a definitive "THUNK" which indicates the buckle made contact or some other piece of metal did with a human skull.

there is no backpedalling at all going on. Go read all my posts and I've stated the same thing over and over. It is you with the comprehension problems.

I'm not going to get into whether this is abuse or not, but I don't think he strikes the back of her head at 3:22. I have watched it multiple times. He is asking her to get on her stomach. She is standing up and he hits her on the legs. She then squats down and it mostly hidden by the bed and is off camera but it looks like she is on her knees. He hits her again at 3:22 but based on her body size and how much it looks like she kneels down and the angle of his swing it looks like he hits her on the back of the legs. Again it looks to me like she is facing away from him and he hits her on the back of the legs. One thing I can say with certainty is that it is not 'clear to see'.

 

[zinfamous]

I find especially troubling those that see any sort of malicious planning, or anything suspicious in the fact that the video was released 7 years later.

Of course, all of you have experience being the dependent of an abusive father and battered mother. So, I'm sure these experiences play into your suspicions, right?

 

[SlitheryDee]

You should be able to spank your kids. Not like that though. They're not an outlet for your frustrations. It's not like she took his maserati out with her boyfriend, crashed it because she was coked up and having sex with him mid-trip, got pregnant, and aborted the baby live for the local news. That might have warranted a beating approximately 60% as bad as the one she got.

 

[mizzou]

All that for a fucking Nancy Drew game? I'd love to see his face get beat the fuck in for stealing a cookie out of the cupboard in the middle of the night.

Corporal punishment is for people who aren't verbally persuasive, or also for children who are not psychologically developed enough to rationalize decision making

Lets say a child just can't stop biting you. You do everything in your power to make the child rationalize that biting is bad, but if it continues, you may have to slap the sunshine out of them to get it to sink in. Pain is an extremely receptive feeling, and it's something that even the stupidest of creatures can understand and learn.


I just really hope my children aren't that fucking stupid.