Judge beating his daughter on video

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I'm not saying it isn't, but everybody is rallying up saying poor abused girl. She is nothing but a spoiled vindictive little bitch herself. Hopefully karma comes back and bites her in the ass as well.

I was prepared to give your posts the benefit of the doubt up until now. This post is hard to excuse - you are choosing to not only accept the father's self-serving explanation but to use it as a basis for calling the victim a "spoiled little vindictive bitch." I see no basis for reaching that conclusion and can only presume you just don't like women, or, for whatever reason, you sympathize with abusers. In any event I think your comments are misguided and needlessly mean-spirited.
 

Miramonti

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Some quotes off CNN...

"Adams said Hillary told him that if he "reduced her financial support, and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it. The post was then uploaded."

"Perhaps Hillary Adams should explain, if she felt she was raised by a tyrannical father, a claim shared with no one until five years after adulthood, why she insisted on living with her father and not her mother from the time of her parent's divorce, until she moved out on her own," William Adams said. "Hillary Adams has been living on her own for some time, and has been an adult for almost six years, so why post the video in late 2011?"


Anybody that believes that she released this video for any other reason than to get back at her father for dropping the flow of cash is an idiot.

It looks like he cut off the cash because she dropped out of school right before graduating to work at freakin Gamestop. She'd probably fit right in around here with the bunch of all day video game playing, basement dwelling, dope smoking drags on society I've seen lurking around here.


ps...there is nothing wrong with pot or anything else in moderation.

Hook, bait, sinker...

You can't be serious to scrape "facts" from a carefully and professionally scripted desperate man's PR effort to salvage his hypocritical career, who continues to blame his shortcomings on his abused daughter. Really?? lol It seems his "addiction" is to fantasy, not reality.
 

Desin

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Again, you're taking what he says as gospel despite the intrinsically self-serving nature of any statements made in situations like this. Obviously one risk of doing terrible things like beating your kids is that if there's evidence in the hands of someone (here, the victim) who gets sufficiently pissed at you for whatever reason, it will be dragged out into the light. I have a hard time getting too upset with Hillary Adams for releasing this, whatever her reasons. He is the one who beat her up, after all.

Apparently she wasn't upset enough about the 'beatings' to leave with her mother.


You are also taking what she says as Gospel. I agree there is take where a father goes over the line. The truth is probably somewhere between both sides of the story. It almost always is.

If you take the worst moments of my childhood in regards to punishment, it would likely look similar. I got my ass beat a couple times during my teens probably past the point of what would be considered acceptable today. In hindsight, I deserved it, and it made me a better person today. What little I would change about how I was raised would probably be that my parents were not strict enough. I had to learn some life lessons that cost me dearly during my 20's that should of been learned from my parents. That did the best they could though, and that is all you can ask.
 

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Hook, bait, sinker...

You can't be serious to scrape "facts" from a carefully and professionally scripted desperate man's PR effort to salvage his hypocritical career, who continues to blame his shortcomings on his abused daughter. Really?? lol It seems his "addiction" is to fantasy, not reality.

Some of you seriously haven't been around spoiled kids. The first thing that popped into my head after reading the story is he must of done something to piss her off bad enough to release the video. This was before any comments by him or his lawyer. It is common sense for those of us that live in the real world.
 

Desin

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dude, there's a video. we don't need to see her talk at all.


I got beat as a kid, but NOT like that.

I acknowledge the video and also that he went too far. I just can't believe the crap that is coming out of her mouth when the verifiable fact is that the girl stayed with her father after the divorce. WHY THE HELL would she do that if life with him was that bad? It makes NO sense at all.
 
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Apparently she wasn't upset enough about the 'beatings' to leave with her mother.


You are also taking what she says as Gospel.

Actually I am assuming nothing based on what she has said. I am judging only based on the video. It's clear we have much to learn about why she released this video, but I don't think there can be any question it was done, at least in part, due to justifiable anger at an abusive father.

As to the remainder of your comments (which I have not quoted), I agree that discipline is important in parenting, but what's shown on that video is not discipline - it's rage. It is demonstrably the case that this kind of parenting harms children and isn't an effective way of regulating their behavior. Judge Adams, in that tape, is not acting as a parent - he is just channeling his anger into violence. I don't agree with hitting kids, but even if you disagree (and reasonable minds can differ on that), you can't reasonably disagree that corporal punishment should be done not out of anger but as a punishment which is proportionate and imposed by someone in his right mind. Judge Adams is not in that video.
 

Desin

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I see no basis for reaching that conclusion and can only presume you just don't like women, or, for whatever reason, you sympathize with abusers. In any event I think your comments are misguided and needlessly mean-spirited.

I'm married to a beautiful woman and I love her more than air. I'm not sympathizing with the father. I'm saying that if you say karma got the father, I think it should get the daughter as well based on what I believe were her intentions when releasing the video.


I could be completely wrong about the whole thing, but based on what is there, I don't believe I'm wrong about the daughter's motive.
 

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Actually I am assuming nothing based on what she has said. I am judging only based on the video. It's clear we have much to learn about why she released this video, but I don't think there can be any question it was done, at least in part, due to justifiable anger at an abusive father.

Answer me this; why would she stay with her father after the divorce if life with him was so bad? Can you explain this to me?
 
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Answer me this; why would she stay with her father after the divorce if life with him was so bad? Can you explain this to me?

As I said above, family dynamics are complex. The mom may have been an even worse option at the time of the divorce, and it's also possible the father used his influence over the family court to get custody, by misrepresenting what was going on with the mother. Even teenagers don't have total choice over which parent they stay with in the event of divorce - it has to be approved by the court. Moreover, abuse victims can end up with seriously screwed up perspectives toward their families. I once worked with a molestation victim whose father raped her from age 3 to 12, and she loved him a lot.

Frankly, even if, for the sake of argument, Hillary Adams released this tape maliciously and is, to adopt your presumption, a vindictive bitch, how do you think she got that way? Do you think this is something that happened independent of her father beating and screaming at her? Bad parents often produce bad kids. Her father is surely at least partly to blame for the way she ended up.
 

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As I said above, family dynamics are complex. The mom may have been an even worse option at the time of the divorce, and it's also possible the father used his influence over the family court to get custody, by misrepresenting what was going on with the mother. Even teenagers don't have total choice over which parent they stay with in the event of divorce - it has to be approved by the court. Moreover, abuse victims can end up with seriously screwed up perspectives toward their families. I once worked with a molestation victim whose father raped her from age 3 to 12, and she loved him a lot.

Frankly, even if, for the sake of argument, Hillary Adams released this tape maliciously and is, to adopt your presumption, a vindictive bitch, how do you think she got that way? Do you think this is something that happened independent of her father beating and screaming at her? Bad parents often produce bad kids. Her father is surely at least partly to blame for the way she ended up.

Talking about me grasping straws. Isn't it much more likely that in reality she liked the lifestyle he afforded her more than she disliked supposed 'CONSTANT abuse'?

Most of the vindictive, manipulating, mind game playing turds I know got that way because they know that behavior will get them what they want in their mind. Some grow out of it, others take it to the grave.
 
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Talking about me grasping straws. Isn't it much more likely that in reality she liked the lifestyle he afforded her more than she disliked supposed 'CONSTANT abuse'?

Most of the vindictive, manipulating, mind game playing turds I know got that way because they knew that behavior would get them what they wanted.


I am not the one speculating why she stayed with her father - I don't know anything about why she stayed. I was just providing alternative explanations to the one you leapt to (presuming that she stayed with him based on "lifestyle"). The lifestyle explanation strikes me as strange since the house shown in that video looks fairly modest, and he would normally have been required to pay child support sufficient to provide her with a comfortable home had she moved in with her mother. Moreover, as I said above, it's quite possible she didn't have the ability to choose where she went.

What bothers me about your posts is that you're trying to separate Hillary Adams' actions from the fact that she was raised by an abusive father - that isn't realistic. I find it hard to understand someone who would rush to blame the victim in this situation.
 

Miramonti

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I acknowledge the video and also that he went too far. I just can't believe the crap that is coming out of her mouth when the verifiable fact is that the girl stayed with her father after the divorce. WHY THE HELL would she do that if life with him was that bad? It makes NO sense at all.

What does it prove? It also doesn't make sense that women who are beaten in relationships stay in them.
 

SlitheryDee

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I'm not saying it isn't, but everybody is rallying up saying poor abused girl. She is nothing but a spoiled vindictive little bitch herself. Hopefully karma comes back and bites her in the ass as well.

I think its telling that she knew something worth recording was going to happen. Indicates that this was something that may have happened regularly.
 

zinfamous

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I knew she used the video as leverage to keep getting $$$. The fathers career is over and this will hang over his head for the rest of his life, he is getting his punishment.

The daughter is just starting what will most likely be a crappy adulthood. I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole knowing that she is capable of being that vindictive. I doubt many other guys with a functioning brain cell would either.

the father is clearly a winner, isn't he. It concerns me that you're willing to take his story as absolute truth.


further, even if what he says is true---so the fuck what? seriously--so what?
 

M0RPH

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This guy has no business being a judge. If he doesn't lose his job over this, then this country is seriously f*cked up.
 

zinfamous

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You are extremely naive. She lived with the 'monster' after her parents divorced. That right there completely removes all thought that she was scared of him or anything else. She would of knocked the door down to get out of that house when her mother left if she truly felt that way.

holy hell. Until you provide any evidence that you have worked with and counceled battered women and children, or have any experience with these type of situations, kindly shut the fuck up.

The assumptions that you people are making come from a profound state of ignorance regarding such cases.

Look--I'm not appalled that people can be so ignorant from lack of exposure, that is understandable; but I am appalled that such rash assumptions can be made without even simply addressing that one has no experience with such cases.

Defaulting to the side of the abuser is, also, alarming.
 

zinfamous

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I'm not saying it isn't, but everybody is rallying up saying poor abused girl. She is nothing but a spoiled vindictive little bitch herself. Hopefully karma comes back and bites her in the ass as well.

Some would say that she has been punished enough, no? Would you not think that she has stores of positive karma piled up for her?

no, of course you wouldn't. The victim continues to deserve punishment, I guess?


--honestly, people--have I stepped off into some crazy dimension? Is this the planet that I was born on? do such vindictive, cold-hearted fucked-in-the-head people truly exist?
 

zinfamous

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not if you are also an abuser

heh. I've already received 4 infractions for making such "bold" accusations from such evidence in this thread.

Honestly, i don't care how many I receive.



No. You received one infraction. But we can always make it more if you wish.
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zinfamous

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What does it prove? It also doesn't make sense that women who are beaten in relationships stay in them.

well, if these dudes knew anything about battered women cases, they would know that this makes perfect sense. Everything in Hillary and her mother's story is, more or less, textbook, and everything coming from the father is also textbook--regarding tyrannical abusive, narcissistic ass fucks.

As it stands now, this guy is pretty much going to have to leave the country (or maybe settle in, I don't know...Idaho?) to try and achieve some sort of "normalcy," or whatever that means to him.

good fucking riddance.
 

zinfamous

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Apparently she wasn't upset enough about the 'beatings' to leave with her mother.


You are also taking what she says as Gospel. I agree there is take where a father goes over the line. The truth is probably somewhere between both sides of the story. It almost always is.

If you take the worst moments of my childhood in regards to punishment, it would likely look similar. I got my ass beat a couple times during my teens probably past the point of what would be considered acceptable today. In hindsight, I deserved it, and it made me a better person today. What little I would change about how I was raised would probably be that my parents were not strict enough. I had to learn some life lessons that cost me dearly during my 20's that should of been learned from my parents. That did the best they could though, and that is all you can ask.

strange that you haven't argued the possibility that her father's savagery is responsible for turning her into a "vindictive, money-grubbing bitch."


:hmm:


no no no, it's always the victim's fault.
 

Ricemarine

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I acknowledge the video and also that he went too far. I just can't believe the crap that is coming out of her mouth when the verifiable fact is that the girl stayed with her father after the divorce. WHY THE HELL would she do that if life with him was that bad? It makes NO sense at all.

You watched the video?! Amazing.
 

Kadarin

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@Desin: It really doesn't matter what her motives are for releasing the video. It doesn't matter if she's a lying vindictive useless sponge of a person who's milking her father for all she can. It simply doesn't matter.

The point is that here is a man who has admitted that he is the guy in the video, and the video depicts him beating a 16 year old girl. This defines him as a child abuser who should NOT be a judge. He should be in jail, to be honest.
 
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