Judge beating his daughter on video

[Desin]

@Desin: It really doesn't matter what her motives are for releasing the video. It doesn't matter if she's a lying vindictive useless sponge of a person who's milking her father for all she can. It simply doesn't matter.

The point is that here is a man who has admitted that he is the guy in the video, and the video depicts him beating a 16 year old girl. This defines him as a child abuser who should NOT be a judge. He should be in jail, to be honest.

I completely agree with you. I'm not protecting or excusing the judge from anything. My whole discussion has been on the daughter's intentions. I think they are BOTH fucked in the head and need serious help. I just find it interesting that the majority of the board here give her a pass on her questionable motives just because she dumps a video of her father whipping her ass 7 years ago.

 

[sactoking]

@Desin: It really doesn't matter what her motives are for releasing the video. It doesn't matter if she's a lying vindictive useless sponge of a person who's milking her father for all she can. It simply doesn't matter.

The point is that here is a man who has admitted that he is the guy in the video, and the video depicts him beating a 16 year old girl. This defines him as a child abuser who should NOT be a judge. He should be in jail, to be honest.

This. Her motives, however noble or misguided they may have been, occur subsequent to the events depicted in the video. As such, they have absolutely no bearing on the actions depicted in the video. The actions depicted therefore stand on their own. On their own merit they are severe enough to warrant removal and possibly disbarment even if the criminal statute of limitations has passed.

 

[HumblePie]

I completely agree with you. I'm not protecting or excusing the judge from anything. My whole discussion has been on the daughter's intentions. I think they are BOTH fucked in the head and need serious help. I just find it interesting that the majority of the board here give her a pass on her questionable motives just because she dumps a video of her father whipping her ass 7 years ago.

Desin,

While the possibility exists that her motives are bad for releasing the video, such as for blackmail or the like, it has been shown in far more studies and cases that releases such as these are not based upon motives such as that. The larger majority of abuse victims continue to stay with the abused and protect those that abuse them from harm because they have been conditioned over the years to do so.

I'm not saying that it is not within the realm of possibility that she is a manipulative, vindictive bitch. Actually, there is the real possibility of that. Why? Usually victims of abusive monsters eventually become abusive monsters themselves in some way. You really need a class in psychology or two.

But because we don't exactly know her motivation as right now it is her words + her mother's words versus the father's words, I'm willing to give a bigger benefit of the doubt to the daughter for her reasoning. Why? Because the video speaks for itself as to the character of the father.

 

[Ns1]

Desin,

While the possibility exists that her motives are bad for releasing the video, such as for blackmail or the like, it has been shown in far more studies and cases that releases such as these are not based upon motives such as that. The larger majority of abuse victims continue to stay with the abused and protect those that abuse them from harm because they have been conditioned over the years to do so.

I'm not saying that it is not within the realm of possibility that she is a manipulative, vindictive bitch. Actually, there is the real possibility of that. Why? Usually victims of abusive monsters eventually become abusive monsters themselves in some way. You really need a class in psychology or two.

But because we don't exactly know her motivation as right now it is her words + her mother's words versus the father's words, I'm willing to give a bigger benefit of the doubt to the daughter for her reasoning. Why? Because the video speaks for itself as to the character of the father.

:thumbsup:

 

[zinfamous]

I completely agree with you. I'm not protecting or excusing the judge from anything. My whole discussion has been on the daughter's intentions. I think they are BOTH fucked in the head and need serious help. I just find it interesting that the majority of the board here give her a pass on her questionable motives just because she dumps a video of her father whipping her ass 7 years ago.

I don't know...perhaps she's fucked in the head because she's a victim of child abuse and grew up observing her mother being put through the same ringer?

You don't expect people to come out of such disastrous homes with useless parents and end up completely normal, do you?

 

[zinfamous]

Desin,

While the possibility exists that her motives are bad for releasing the video, such as for blackmail or the like, it has been shown in far more studies and cases that releases such as these are not based upon motives such as that. The larger majority of abuse victims continue to stay with the abused and protect those that abuse them from harm because they have been conditioned over the years to do so.

I'm not saying that it is not within the realm of possibility that she is a manipulative, vindictive bitch. Actually, there is the real possibility of that. Why? Usually victims of abusive monsters eventually become abusive monsters themselves in some way. You really need a class in psychology or two.

But because we don't exactly know her motivation as right now it is her words + her mother's words versus the father's words, I'm willing to give a bigger benefit of the doubt to the daughter for her reasoning. Why? Because the video speaks for itself as to the character of the father.

exactly.

I know I posted this about 300 posts ago, but I was hoping that some of the defenders of the abuser would actually read this, and use the knowledge in their assessment of how these cases tend to play out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battered_person_syndrome

No idea why some ignore the constant reference to battered women, as if I somehow pulled this well-documented syndrome out of my ass.

 

[Taejin]

Some would say that she has been punished enough, no? Would you not think that she has stores of positive karma piled up for her?

no, of course you wouldn't. The victim continues to deserve punishment, I guess?


--honestly, people--have I stepped off into some crazy dimension? Is this the planet that I was born on? do such vindictive, cold-hearted fucked-in-the-head people truly exist?

people need personal experience or a privileged(?) view into an abused home to recognize the particularly telling behaviors, mostly on the part of the mother, that indicate that this wasn't a normal disciplining.

 

[Dude111]

I wonder what the stupid parents think now that they have been exposed?

Um, the video is from 2004 it looks like.

Yes which is why she waited till now i think to release it... (Statue expired,nothing will happen)

She just wants revenge...

 

[Taejin]

I wonder what the stupid parents think now that they have been exposed?

Yes which is why she waited till now i think to release it... (Statue expired,nothing will happen)

She just wants revenge...

The video is pretty clear in showing that the father's beatings were an often repeated experience. His language and the mother's behavior unequivocally point to this conclusion.

I don't know why people think that this sort of thing is easy to forgive and forget. People raised like this will, in many cases, carry the hurt and anger to their graves. How can you expect them to not be vindictive? In fact, it would be even more surprising if they were not vindictive, hateful and spiteful.

You don't know or undrstand what its like to live life day in and day out in fear, not sure what will trigger the next round of beatings or 'discipline'. There is no adult around in abusive families to tell the cihldren that this is wrong, this is not okay, or that something isn't right. Abusive households remain abusive because abusers are good at controlling family members and cutting them off from support networks such as extended family and friends.

So the children have to grow up in a vague state of shame and fear. Imagine what happens when they get out into the real world and begin unraveling the mental nightmare that was their childhood and adolescence. Imagine how they feel when they begin to realize the full extent of the total fucking insanity their world actually was.

YOU can't imagine. You have no idea. You are trying to judge these people on moral grounds based on normal situations, which this is not. So stop trying. The daughter has every right to be vindictive, even if it would be better for her if she could forgive quickly. It's more likely that she will spend most of her life coming to terms how she was raised, and I pray to God (even if I don't believe in Him) that she does not carry on the cycle of abuse to her children.

I hope the judge gets fucked. And I wish nothing but the best for the daughter and mother. They're going to need it. Anyone who grows up in that kind of household is going to need it.

 

[zanejohnson]

Judge is wrong.

With that out of the way, it bothers me a little that the girl is pretty manipulative. She was downloading pirated music. From the NBC video/interview it's clear she understood this was wrong. Not only that but she knew that doing so would upset her father. Remember, this happened 7(?) years ago, at the height of the RIAA crackdowns and as a judge, he definitely was aware of the laws and wanted to distance himself from any controversy that may arise. She knew what she was doing and knew it'd piss off her dad. She said she setup the camera thirty minutes before the beating, so she was waiting for it.

When you ask her about it, she says things like "Oh [the music] was only available overseas so I couldn't have bought it if I wanted," somehow justifying it in her mind.

I know many of you don't care about the reason and I don't either so don't get confused and think I am focusing on the piracy. What I am saying is the daughter isn't some innocent girl with cerebral palsy. Lots of questions here like why she released it now and why on YouTube and not the authorities, etc.

wow...

this is correct.... that's really, all truth be told the best answer yet, so in reality... it's the ridiculous laws, that caused this entire situation.. caused this man to beat his daughter (in this particular instance), based on the evidence, however... the wife is terrified of her husband that much is obvious... the police state should look farther into that matter.

 

[dawp]

^ What she downloaded is a minor issue. If, as she says, it isn't available for purchase in this country, then that enters a grey market, not really legal but not illegal either. I know my daughter was heavily into anime at that age and a lot of that material just wasn't/isn't for sale in the US so the only way to get it is to download it from torrent sites or purchase it through a middleman, which may still be illegal in the eyes of this 'judge'. There are a lot of games and videos that have a demand in this country with no outlet and it will get here no matter what the publishers say about it. Just look at Illusion Games, I have myself downloaded several of them because I can't buy them here. I wanted to check them out.

 

[Ricemarine]

I wonder what the stupid parents think now that they have been exposed?

Yes which is why she waited till now i think to release it... (Statue expired,nothing will happen)

She just wants revenge...

The father will think nothing of it. The mother will remain on the side with the bigger power/influence.

How do you change a man that believes he committed no wrongdoing? You don't, because he'll never believe you.

Do you think time in prison will help him? No, because he'll just grow to resent who was the reason he was sent there in the first place.

 

[zinfamous]

I wonder what the stupid parents think now that they have been exposed?

Yes which is why she waited till now i think to release it... (Statue expired,nothing will happen)

She just wants revenge...

Wow.

lots of swinging dicks commenting on abused women in this thread.



your theories would be hilarious if they weren't so fucking sad and disturbing. This isn't a fucking movie.

 

[zanejohnson]

^ What she downloaded is a minor issue. If, as she says, it isn't available for purchase in this country, then that enters a grey market, not really legal but not illegal either. I know my daughter was heavily into anime at that age and a lot of that material just wasn't/isn't for sale in the US so the only way to get it is to download it from torrent sites or purchase it through a middleman, which may still be illegal in the eyes of this 'judge'. There are a lot of games and videos that have a demand in this country with no outlet and it will get here no matter what the publishers say about it. Just look at Illusion Games, I have myself downloaded several of them because I can't buy them here. I wanted to check them out.

i know it was sarcasm

 

[Ichinisan]

Watched the video. It's similar to the beatings and the ignorance I've experienced and witnessed while growing up. Would have been easier for her to just take the belt to the ass.

However, I always hated the fact that people would use spyware-infested Kazaa when there were better options.

 

[al981]

i don't think you guys read the link--62% more for males as victims of domestic violence. All forms of abuse at home--child or adult, fall under domestic violence.

who are these males being abused? why do we have such high rates of African Americans being abused at home, and such high rates of African Americans in prison? And by abuse, we are tlaking about classy's form of discipline, about the earlier poster's coworker saying "this is how black people do it, that's discipline!"

either way you look at, increased levels of abuse or decreased levels of attention (your argument) are as equally corollary with these numbers. arguing about causation is something that we are all, erroneously, guilty of.

point stands--you're perspective is no more or less accurate than mine. claiming otherwise is intellectual dishonest and vacant.

it is clear you have not considered socioeconomic/nslp aspects and matriarchal family structures of black families.

using your flawed logic, all asian countries with high incidents of physical / corporal punishment would have high incarceration rates as well, right? oh wait, taiwan, korea, and japan don't. in fact, all three are notorious for whipping their kids both in school and at home, yet they are probably the most productive kids on the planet with low crime rates. could it be, that because they have better socioeconomic conditions and better family structures, they are far less likely to be in prison?!?!

edit: basic corpun rates for taiwan schools:

1999: 83% experienced corp punishment.
2000: 74%
2005: 65%

"Direct infliction of physical pain was used in 56.8% of cases (including hitting with a hand or stick, deprivation of physical needs, holding painful postures). Almost a quarter (23.9%) of students received punishment that may constitute crimes of assault, instigation of assault or public insults. Almost one in ten (9.5%) of those who experienced physical pain were punished in this way over 10 times during the year." link

 

[al981]

My hardware is in my sig, I have a 30" Dell. I never said it was impossible to start from a high position and swing towards the upper body. I said it was impossible to start from a high position and swing downward and land a blow to the upper body. That remains true.

A ridiculous claim. you play sports and should know better. let's take shaq and how he routinely rejects players trying to dunk on him. his hands go up, then swing downwards challenging the shot. often times his hands land on the opponents' head / shoulders / arms. certainly not "impossible." now apply the same logic with a belt. it's called extension. or a tennis serve. follow through / extension. or a pitcher throwing a pitch.

I assume the hand to the back of the head was an instinctive measure, which he quickly moved towards the area that was being dealt punishment, his rear.

the uncle's first strike was low. the next few strikes hit the teen's arm and shirt sleeve. strike #2 and #3 clearly swats his sleeve, and his sleeve moves from right to left. this is when the teen moves his hand to defend his head, because the strikes were moving above his waist. strike #4 even makes a dent in his shirt sleeve:

All in a pathetic attempt to defend the actions of a child abuser. Why do you do that?

incorrect. this is to point out your hypocrisy and demonstrate that a vicious belt woopin is completely legal. funny how there's no outrage when the gender and race of the teen changes. multiple posters have even claimed the daughter was hit in the head by a belt, or punched in the head off camera, which is clearly false. (LOL at the one who posted "4:49").

 

[al981]

are these the same rude pricks who think they are superior to the rest of the world and call everyone else barbarians?

isn't that the white man and their "civilizing" / manifest destiny ways? :awe:

 

[al981]

i was spanked and smacked as kid and I think I turned out just fine. i wasn't beat up or anything at all by my parents. i also never have been in a fight in my life other than w/my siblings.

i plan on doing the same to my kids when we have them.

:thumbsup:

seems many here are equating a belt woopin with a chris brown style beatdown.

chris brown beatdown not found.

 

[Dude111]

your theories would be hilarious if they weren't so fucking sad and disturbing. This isn't a fucking movie.

No it isnt bud,its another example of HOW MEAN this world is!

 

[BladeVenom]

A 7 minute beating is nothing comparee to what the RIAA would do to her. Would you rather have a 7 minute beating or be sued for hundreds of millions of dollars.

 

[HendrixFan]

the uncle's first strike was low. the next few strikes hit the teen's arm and shirt sleeve. strike #2 and #3 clearly swats his sleeve, and his sleeve moves from right to left. this is when the teen moves his hand to defend his head, because the strikes were moving above his waist. strike #4 even makes a dent in his shirt sleeve:

In your picture you can clearly see the belt in the guy's hand in the bottom left of the frame. I have frame advanced the video and I can't see any frame that shows the belt striking high.

 

[HumblePie]

Al981, I just watched that video again. Not once was that kid struck anyone above the waist. All went directly to the butt or top of the left hind-legs. I went frame by frame and not once was the kid struck anywhere but there. You are retarded like all your arguments.

 

[al981]

In your picture you can clearly see the belt in the guy's hand in the bottom left of the frame. I have frame advanced the video and I can't see any frame that shows the belt striking high.

really? perhaps due to the fact the 4th strike was over with and his hand motion completely followed through already? do acknowledge the fact there is a dent in the teen's shirt from strike #4 and the fact that strikes 2 and 3 caused the shirt sleeve to move quickly from right to left.

afk!

 

[al981]

Al981, I just watched that video again. Not once was that kid struck anyone above the waist. All went directly to the butt or top of the left hind-legs. I went frame by frame and not once was the kid struck anywhere but there. You are retarded like all your arguments.

and you won't acknowledge the fact his shirt sleeves were struck from the belt either, right? not surprising, as you still have not owned up to the fact you were dead wrong about "4:49" and the erroneous claim of her head being struck by a belt.

afk for reals!