Judge forces Apple to unlock iPhone

[shabby]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sa...-unlock-san-bernardino-shooter-iphone-n519701

A federal judge on Tuesday ordered Apple to give investigators access to encrypted data on the iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino shooters, assistance the computer giant "declined to provide voluntarily," according to court papers.

Apple themselves said they technically can't unlock it so i wonder how this will turn out.

 

[Jaskalas]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sa...-unlock-san-bernardino-shooter-iphone-n519701

Apple themselves said they technically can't unlock it so i wonder how this will turn out.

I'm sure Apple's system specs can be passed around from court to public to NSA and then hacked to pieces and rendered useless.
Maybe not useful for the encrypted data they're after, but the court would be glad to destroy the encryption system for future exploitation.

 

[compuwiz1]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sa...-unlock-san-bernardino-shooter-iphone-n519701



Apple themselves said they technically can't unlock it so i wonder how this will turn out.

Do you believe that? I don't.

 

[master_shake_]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVQsxLfKPNI

gigabyte of RAM should do it.

 

[K1052]

Do you believe that? I don't.

The surest way to be certain you'll never have to hand over your backdoor to the gov is to design a system that basically precludes one in the first place. The phone may be crackable by other more exotic means but I doubt there is a piece of software laying in any dark corner of Apple that can be handed over or even built to accomplish what they want.

 

[Jaskalas]

The surest way to be certain you'll never have to hand over your backdoor to the gov is to design a system that basically precludes one in the first place. The phone may be crackable by other more exotic means but I doubt there is a piece of software laying in any dark corner of Apple that can be handed over or even built to accomplish what they want.

Once that's realized the order will be changed to build that backdoor for future use.

 

[Paratus]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sa...-unlock-san-bernardino-shooter-iphone-n519701



Apple themselves said they technically can't unlock it so i wonder how this will turn out.

Do you believe that? I don't.

In this case Apple can because the guys 5S was running iOS 7.

It's iOS 8 and up that are encrypted by default. Apple does not have the keys supposedly.

 

[Paratus]

Once that's realized the order will be changed to build that backdoor for future use.

Where have you been.

Various government agencies and Congress have been whining about this ever since Apple and Google started defaulting to whole drive encryption. All the major tech players have been lobbying to prevent back doors from being legislated into place.

 

[Jaskalas]

Where have you been.

Various government agencies and Congress have been whining about this ever since Apple and Google started defaulting to whole drive encryption. All the major tech players have been lobbying to prevent back doors from being legislated into place.

Did I have to explain that I knew all that? Waste of words.

This can be a specific effort / assault on Apple's integrity whereby if the court does not get what it presently wants from past data, they'll issue a new order for future data. No new legislation needed to violate our liberties. Just an overzealous court citing national security, the Patriot Act, or some BS.

 

[Exterous]

Apple has the exclusive technical means which would assist the government in completing its search, but has declined to provide that assistance voluntarily

Good. The government needs to stop trying to force companies to make backdoors into their products. We have enough problems with digital security without legislative requirements to make the storage more exploitable

 

[1prophet]

It's hard to support a company that places profit before people and the country that gave them that ability and opportunity, all of the sudden pretend that that they care about American democracy and has a love for their country, a country that is good enough to buy their products but not good enough to build them.

"We are challenging the FBI's demands with the deepest respect for American democracy and a love of our country. We believe it would be in the best interest of everyone to step back and consider the implications."
He said the request would ultimately "undermine the very freedoms and liberty our government is meant to protect."

 

[3chordcharlie]

It's hard to support a company that places profit before people and the country that gave them that ability and opportunity, all of the sudden pretend that that they care about American democracy and has a love for their country, a country that is good enough to buy their products but not good enough to build them.

These two issues are not related. Apple is completely correct about the encryption issue.

I fully expect to see them lose this fight.

Freedom is Slavery.

 

[K1052]

WP story with more info and a statement from Tim Cook (excerpted below):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/02/17/apple-ceo-the-u-s-government-wants-something-we-consider-too-dangerous-to-create/

Specifically, the FBI wants us to make a new version of the iPhone operating system, circumventing several important security features, and install it on an iPhone recovered during the investigation. In the wrong hands, this software — which does not exist today — would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession.

The FBI may use different words to describe this tool, but make no mistake: Building a version of iOS that bypasses security in this way would undeniably create a backdoor. And while the government may argue that its use would be limited to this case, there is no way to guarantee such control.

Rather than asking for legislative action through Congress, the FBI is proposing an unprecedented use of the All Writs Act of 1789 to justify an expansion of its authority.

The government would have us remove security features and add new capabilities to the operating system, allowing a passcode to be input electronically. This would make it easier to unlock an iPhone by “brute force,” trying thousands or millions of combinations with the speed of a modern computer.

The implications of the government’s demands are chilling. If the government can use the All Writs Act to make it easier to unlock your iPhone, it would have the power to reach into anyone’s device to capture their data. The government could extend this breach of privacy and demand that Apple build surveillance software to intercept your messages, access your health records or financial data, track your location, or even access your phone’s microphone or camera without your knowledge.

I'm inclined to pretty much agree. If the government wants this they need to pass legislation and go through the inevitable battle up to the Supreme Court. This is improper and excessive use of the All Writs Act.

 

[LPCTech]

yeah this^
The FBI did not ask apple to unlock the phone. The FBI has asked apple to redesign iOS to introduce an intentional flaw that will allow an external code to be entered to unlock and decrypt the device. This will render all iOS products completely accessible to anyone with the required hardware. Not just a one time thing. The asked apple to GIVE THEM software or change iOS. Apple says they wont do that.

No court order can compel a company to MAKE NEW SOFTWARE just for them.

They can be forced to "help" unlock the phone, but apple has stated thats not within their current capability.

I hope they DONT help.

The victims of this attack are already dead, and its been months so the info on that phone is likely useless.

This is just to weaken the ability of AMERICANS to not be spied on.

So the NSA cant unlock it? I call BS.

 

[IronWing]

I set off to become an instant expert on the All Writs Act only to be foiled by Wikipedia. It appears the Wiki article was hastily written in the past hour or so and focuses on recent tech cases, primarily this one. How is one to become an internet warrior without the proper tools?

 

[Sonikku]

Quick, we need to diminish American privacy again for more security! And Freedumbs.

 

[Subyman]

Apple should get assurances from the government that if the software leaks out and all compatible phones are instantly vulnerable that the government would then compensate Apple for its losses. I doubt that would happen.

Sorry government, you can't have the master key to everyone's private data.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Too Bad this kind of crap didnt make it to the supreme court during Scalia's tenure. He would have properly eviscerated it.

 

[DrPizza]

Back door... encryption. It seems foolish to believe in a concept of "back door." Encryption is encryption. It's a mathematical process. If there's a way for companies to decrypt the data, then there's NOTHING preventing hackers from using the same means to decrypt the data. People seem to think it's some sort of "push a button" process. Back door is front door.

 

[wetech]

Back door is front door.

Millions of women would disagree with you.

 

[Subyman]

Back door... encryption. It seems foolish to believe in a concept of "back door." Encryption is encryption. It's a mathematical process. If there's a way for companies to decrypt the data, then there's NOTHING preventing hackers from using the same means to decrypt the data. People seem to think it's some sort of "push a button" process. Back door is front door.

They want Apple to recompile a new version of iOS that can be installed and be able to bypass software features that make it harder to brute force. A hacker does not have access to the iOS source code to allow them to make those changes, only the company does. I'm curious to know if what the feds want is even possible since the firmware has to be installed. I'd think you'd have to decrypt the drive first to allow the new OS to be installed.

 

[Paratus]

Back door... encryption. It seems foolish to believe in a concept of "back door." Encryption is encryption. It's a mathematical process. If there's a way for companies to decrypt the data, then there's NOTHING preventing hackers from using the same means to decrypt the data. People seem to think it's some sort of "push a button" process. Back door is front door.

It turns out I was wrong about the case. In this case it was one of the San Bernadino shooters with an iPhone 5C and one of the later IOS revs.

The judge is asking for a custom firmware that bypasses the auto erase feature and the increased time between code tries so they can brute force the password through USB access.

From posts at Ars it may not be possible to do this on A7 and later processors since the secure store on those will wipe the encryption keys if a new firmware is loaded and the passcode isn't supplied.

Still forcing an Apple designed and signed attack ROM is a dangerous thing to let loose out there.

 

[Sonikku]

Government won't be satisfied until they have a back door to a chip installed in our fucking skulls.

 

[Rakehellion]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sa...-unlock-san-bernardino-shooter-iphone-n519701



Apple themselves said they technically can't unlock it so i wonder how this will turn out.

Why would they think Apple is able to do this?

 

[Rakehellion]

Do you believe that? I don't.

What could Apple stand to gain by having such a feature?