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Used Rugs

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Diebold machine are not reliable.

Problems with elections in Ohio's most populous county are so severe that it's unlikely they can be completely fixed by November, or even by the 2008 presidential election, a report commissioned by Cuyahoga County and released Tuesday says.

Of course, this is the inevitable outcome when you fight expert advice tooth and nail every step of the way. The main tactic of many election officials facing inconvenient fact is to "run out the clock" so the dicussion becomes moot. They then hope that if the election doesn't explode in their face, they can claim their critics were "alarmists".



A nonprofit group hired to review the county's first election with new electronic voting machines found several problems with the May 2 primary, the results of which were delayed six days because roughly 18,000 absentee ballots had to be hand counted.

The absentee ballots had been improperly formatted for new optical scan voting machines. Poll workers also had problems operating the machines, some poll workers didn't show up, vote memory cards disappeared and one precinct opened hours late. Researchers also found that the four sources used to keep track of vote totals on machines did not always add up.

One of Diebold's constant themes was redundancy. They claimed that their multiple redundant systems made error impossible. Here we see the reality of that claim.

"The election system in its entirety exhibits shortcomings with extremely serious consequences, especially in the event of a close election," wrote Steven Hertzberg, director of the study by the San Francisco-based Election Science Institute.

An official with the maker of the voting machines, North Canton-based Diebold Inc., said the report was flawed because the researchers did not properly review electronic votes in some cases.

Mark Radke, director of marketing for Diebold subsidiary Diebold Election Systems, also blamed inadequately trained poll workers, saying the totals didn't always add up because some changed memory cards without also changing the paper receipt rolls.

It ie NEVER Diebold's fault. They make perfect machines, maschiens so perfect that mear mortals are incapable of using them correctly. According to Diebold EVERY SINGLE study that has come out, ALL of which indict their machines, are wrong. The only time that Diebold has EVER admitted error was when its management were UNDER OATH in California.

It is an uncommon day when the nation's second-largest provider of voting systems concedes that its flagship products in California have significant security flaws and that it supplied hundreds of poorly designed electronic-voting devices that disenfranchised voters in the March presidential primary.

Diebold Election Systems Inc. President Bob Urosevich admitted this and more, and apologized "for any embarrassment."

"We were caught. We apologize for that," Urosevich said of the mass failures of devices needed to call up digital ballots.

Poll workers in Alameda and San Diego counties hadn't been trained on ways around their failure, and San Diego County chose not to supply polls with backup paper ballots, crippling the largest roll-out of e-voting in the nation March 2. Unknown thousands of voters were turned away at the polls.

"We're sorry for the inconvenience of the voters," Urosevich said.

"Weren't they actually disenfranchised?" asked Tony Miller, chief counsel to the state's elections division.

After a moment, Urosevich agreed: "Yes, sir."


Get the facts on voter fraud.
 

Corn

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Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: daveymark


if that's the case, dems should put more energy into "all those other bills" instead of the smear campaign they've leveled agianst republicans

At first I thought this was sarcasm, then I came to the scary realization you are serious.

What's next, tell the southern blacks circa 1930 to leave the KKK alone?

Taken straight from the liberati play book! Mention the KKK when discussing Republicans. LOL, I honestly can't think of anything more pathetic and, apparently, desperate. Surely the Democrats will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again!
 

Corn

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Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Originally posted by: senseamp
Republicans are in a desperate position of hoping for a terrorist attack to save them this november.



I am sure Rove has that base covered.:thumbsdown:

Another case study of the Democrats appealing to the stupid......

Any normal *thinking* person would realize that a terrorist attack would be the worst thing imaginable for the Republican party. It would signal a massive failure of their platform of protecting us from terrorism.

No you two morons, if anything, Rove has orchestrated a massive "victory" against terrorism in the form of a foiled terrorist plot or the like. :roll:

 

senseamp

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Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Originally posted by: senseamp
Republicans are in a desperate position of hoping for a terrorist attack to save them this november.



I am sure Rove has that base covered.:thumbsdown:

Another case study of the Democrats appealing to the stupid......

Any normal *thinking* person would realize that a terrorist attack would be the worst thing imaginable for the Republican party. It would signal a massive failure of their platform of protecting us from terrorism.

No you two morons, if anything, Rove has orchestrated a massive "victory" against terrorism in the form of a foiled terrorist plot or the like. :roll:

You are assuming that Republicans would take responsibility for their failure if that happenned, which would be a first. Most likely they would just blame Democrats, liberal judges, the media, etc.
 

LEDominator

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Originally posted by: senseamp
Republicans are in a desperate position of hoping for a terrorist attack to save them this november.



I am sure Rove has that base covered.:thumbsdown:

Another case study of the Democrats appealing to the stupid......

Any normal *thinking* person would realize that a terrorist attack would be the worst thing imaginable for the Republican party. It would signal a massive failure of their platform of protecting us from terrorism.

No you two morons, if anything, Rove has orchestrated a massive "victory" against terrorism in the form of a foiled terrorist plot or the like. :roll:

You are assuming that Republicans would take responsibility for their failure if that happenned, which would be a first. Most likely they would just blame Democrats, liberal judges, the media, etc.

um... I think his point was that a terrorist attack on the US = bad for the Republican party, not so much a "responsibility" issue.
 

spacejamz

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Originally posted by: Used Rugs
Diebold machine are not reliable.
Get the facts on voter fraud.

This again???? It has been nearly 2 years...are they still collecting 'evidence' for this? When is a mainstream media site going to public with this (or least another site other than blackbox)? Surely that would be the story of the century and no one would sit on a story like that, right?

And there is no way that an incompetent, bumbling president could ever keep the lid on something this huge could he? Being able to cover up a conspiracy of that nature would require some intelligence, wouldn't it???
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: Used Rugs
Diebold machine are not reliable.
Get the facts on voter fraud.

This again???? It has been nearly 2 years...are they still collecting 'evidence' for this? When is a mainstream media site going to public with this (or least another site other than blackbox)? Surely that would be the story of the century and no one would sit on a story like that, right?

And there is no way that an incompetent, bumbling president could ever keep the lid on something this huge could he? Being able to cover up a conspiracy of that nature would require some intelligence, wouldn't it???


Remember Bush is an idiot, a puppet of Cheney, a total buffoon to the entire world.

That is when he isnt stealing multiple elections, setting 9-11 in motion to further is PNAC agenda, secretly paying the Israeli's to destroy Lebanon, or singl handily going to take science down by himself, of course without anybody knowing about any of the above until after it happens!



 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Zorba
Originally posted by: Genx87
Find something new to run on, the hatred for Bush doesnt win you votes, only makes you look bitter and stupid when you lose.

If it weren't for the hatred of Bush, I doubt Kerry would've gotten half the votes he did.

if it weren't for the media, i doubt bush would have gotten half the votes he got.

Always somebody else fault isnt it? The party who claims others should take responsibility seem to fail to take responsibility for their own failures. Easier to create boogeymen(Rove, Delay, Cheney, Bolton) and scapegoats(Diebold,Swift Boat Vets, media) instead of address the real problem with the democratic party.

And this is why the democrats keep losing elections.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Yay time to switch to another party that will expand government in different areas. :thumbsdown:

I wouldn't be surprised if in my lifetime, middle class income taxes will be 50%.

I honestly don't know how America is not at full scale Revolution by now.

I'm paying 43.3% Tax now (15.3% tax was added when my Employer started 1099'ing me) and I didn't get a 15.3% raise so I am going backwards while expenses are going up through the roof.

I know there has to many other Americans, especially men experiencing this same raping.

You could be one of the most inept humans on the face of the earth. You spend time moving, traveling long distances to work, and now are forced to pay your own payroll taxes lmao.



 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: wirelessenabled
Originally posted by: senseamp
Republicans are in a desperate position of hoping for a terrorist attack to save them this november.



I am sure Rove has that base covered.:thumbsdown:

Another case study of the Democrats appealing to the stupid......

Any normal *thinking* person would realize that a terrorist attack would be the worst thing imaginable for the Republican party. It would signal a massive failure of their platform of protecting us from terrorism.

No you two morons, if anything, Rove has orchestrated a massive "victory" against terrorism in the form of a foiled terrorist plot or the like. :roll:



bingo. Right now, libs will say bush is doing too much. should the U. S. suffer a terrorist attack, the libs will do a classic flip flop and say he wasn't doing enough. Libs really need to work on some sort of foundation, no one votes for swayers in the wind
 

Corbett

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I seem to remember the same crap being said right before the 2004 elections and we all know how those turned out! PWNED.
 

EXman

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This is what gets me. The Dems Root for our country to lose and our boys to get killed so that they don't have to come up with original thought to win elections. They hate Bush more than they love America. Sad. They're lack of absolute power has corrupted absolutely. Once you are so partisan to put americans interests second to party politics you then disqualify yourself as a desirable candidate in my book regardless of party affiliation.

Funny thing is those 10 planes were supposed to blow up today. But didn't. I wonder what the Security Moms would say today in that poll.
 

bunnyfubbles

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
I am still waiting for the Democrats to promote a vision of how they will steer America back on track...

I think that's a problem with the Dems/libs, is that they're so convinced America is going all wrong when any swing votes might be thinking otherwise. We aren't exactly losing the war on terror; our economy isn't in a depression like some people wanted us to believe it was heading...

Dems need to offer "improvement", not "fix from completely broken." Any solution can't be sudden as it is, it would take time - you almost need 8 years in office to see anything major come to fruition.

Talk of getting America "back on the right track" is BS because it is - you can't jump tracks and change direction in 4 or even 8 years without potentially devastating consequences, I think that is why swing votes don?t switch, it?s because they can sniff that out and know the promises will either bring problems or would be left un-kept.
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
I am still waiting for the Democrats to promote a vision of how they will steer America back on track...

I think that's a problem with the Dems/libs, is that they're so convinced America is going all wrong when any swing votes might be thinking otherwise. We aren't exactly losing the war on terror; our economy isn't in a depression like some people wanted us to believe it was heading...

Dems need to offer "improvement", not "fix from completely broken." Any solution can't be sudden as it is, it would take time - you almost need 8 years in office to see anything major come to fruition.

Talk of getting America "back on the right track" is BS because it is - you can't jump tracks and change direction in 4 or even 8 years without potentially devastating consequences, I think that is why swing votes don?t switch, it?s because they can sniff that out and know the promises will either bring problems or would be left un-kept.

ayup. that's the primary selling point for the democratic party. they need things to go wrong, so they can "fix them" - this is why I stated earlier, dems secretly want dead soldiers, it's the only way they can pander for votes.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
I am still waiting for the Democrats to promote a vision of how they will steer America back on track...

I think that's a problem with the Dems/libs, is that they're so convinced America is going all wrong when any swing votes might be thinking otherwise. We aren't exactly losing the war on terror; our economy isn't in a depression like some people wanted us to believe it was heading...

Dems need to offer "improvement", not "fix from completely broken." Any solution can't be sudden as it is, it would take time - you almost need 8 years in office to see anything major come to fruition.

Talk of getting America "back on the right track" is BS because it is - you can't jump tracks and change direction in 4 or even 8 years without potentially devastating consequences, I think that is why swing votes don?t switch, it?s because they can sniff that out and know the promises will either bring problems or would be left un-kept.

ayup. that's the primary selling point for the democratic party. they need things to go wrong, so they can "fix them" - this is why I stated earlier, dems secretly want dead soldiers, it's the only way they can pander for votes.

yup that is what I was going at as well 3 posts up
 
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