July 22 : Intel price cuts & new C2Ds

[allies]

I wonder if Intel knows something that we don't about the performance of Barcelona...

 

[Liberator21]

Originally posted by: allies
I wonder if Intel knows something that we don't about the performance of Barcelona...

Interesting, this makes sense. I see on Dailytech AMD plans to be ready by Christmas for their quads, and I was planning on upgrading my system then. But, for $266 I'll be switching camps come July, even if it's only a few months!

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: allies
I wonder if Intel knows something that we don't about the performance of Barcelona...

Considering the amount of people who are running C2Ds now I don't think Intel cares right now.

 

[Cheex]

I'll definitely start saving up for a Q6600 now!! I hope I'll be able to afford it by then. This sounds so sweet!!!

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: allies
I wonder if Intel knows something that we don't about the performance of Barcelona...

Considering the amount of people who are running C2Ds now I don't think Intel cares right now.

The amount of people running C2D is far less than Athlons and P4s. However, springing a $266 quad core in July will be a strong selling point for not only enthusiasts, but also OEMs, and thus cutting drastically into AMDs Barcelona shares.

Edit: And stop being so naive; Intel learned their lesson "not caring" what AMD did. I bet they're doing everything in their power not to make the same mistake.

Your response reeks of fanboy.

 

[JackPack]

Originally posted by: allies
I wonder if Intel knows something that we don't about the performance of Barcelona...

If Barcelona were competitive, Intel would demand $851 for a Q6600 until the Barcelona launch. Look at the way AMD refused to drop X2 prices until Conroe had finally flooded the channel.


Intel is just squeezing AMD because they know their competitor can't possibly sell a quad for less than $500 due to their insistence on manufacturing a 283mm2 monolithic monster.

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: JackPack

Originally posted by: allies
I wonder if Intel knows something that we don't about the performance of Barcelona...

If Barcelona were competitive, Intel would demand $851 for a Q6600 until the Barcelona launch. Look at the way AMD refused to drop X2 prices until Conroe had finally flooded the channel.


Intel is just squeezing AMD because they know their competitor can't possibly sell a quad for less than $500 due to their insistence on manufacturing a 283mm2 monolithic monster.

Thanks for proving my point - AMD was careless in this regard. If they wanted to make sure they'd permeate the market, prices would've dropped if they known how well Intel's part performed. However, they were totally nonchalant with regards to Intel's plans.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: allies

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: allies
I wonder if Intel knows something that we don't about the performance of Barcelona...

Considering the amount of people who are running C2Ds now I don't think Intel cares right now.

The amount of people running C2D is far less than Athlons and P4s. However, springing a $266 quad core in July will be a strong selling point for not only enthusiasts, but also OEMs, and thus cutting drastically into AMDs Barcelona shares.

Edit: And stop being so naive; Intel learned their lesson "not caring" what AMD did. I bet they're doing everything in their power not to make the same mistake.

Your response reeks of fanboy.

so you label everyone a fanboy?
you're so damn ignorant I want to laugh. Intel always has something else and knows AMD is trying to get something going too. They don't care now because they wipe the floor with AMD. And later if AMD releases something they have to be damn good CPUs to eat into the market Intel carved out. Point is... AMD has to do something amazing to bring people away from Intel. They have nothing and Intel is just squeezing every bit they can. It's smart because not everyone reads forums so they have no clue what's up next.

Quit labeling people as fanboy when you don't even think.

 

[JackPack]

Originally posted by: allies
Thanks for proving my point - AMD was careless in this regard. If they wanted to make sure they'd permeate the market, prices would've dropped if they known how well Intel's part performed. However, they were totally nonchalant with regards to Intel's plans.

AMD wasn't careless. They saw the train coming and tried to keep their ASPs high as long as possible before the drought.

Intel had already demonstrated Conroe/Woodcrest in March 2006. AMD was well aware of the performance. Yet, they kept their 5000+ priced at $696 until days before Conroe's launch in July when they slashed it to $301.

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: allies

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: allies
I wonder if Intel knows something that we don't about the performance of Barcelona...

Considering the amount of people who are running C2Ds now I don't think Intel cares right now.

The amount of people running C2D is far less than Athlons and P4s. However, springing a $266 quad core in July will be a strong selling point for not only enthusiasts, but also OEMs, and thus cutting drastically into AMDs Barcelona shares.

Edit: And stop being so naive; Intel learned their lesson "not caring" what AMD did. I bet they're doing everything in their power not to make the same mistake.

Your response reeks of fanboy.

so you label everyone a fanboy?
you're so damn ignorant I want to laugh. Intel always has something else and knows AMD is trying to get something going too. They don't care now because they wipe the floor with AMD. And later if AMD releases something they have to be damn good CPUs to eat into the market Intel carved out. Point is... AMD has to do something amazing to bring people away from Intel. They have nothing and Intel is just squeezing every bit they can. It's smart because not everyone reads forums so they have no clue what's up next.

Quit labeling people as fanboy when you don't even think.

You're absolutely right. Intel doesn't care what AMD does, because all that matters is that they have the faster performing CPUs right now. It's not like AMD is Intel's competitor or anything, and it's not like each companies' actions are based on reaction to their competitor. I mean there's never been price wars or anything. Or advance of technology. You're 100% right. Your argument was very thoughtout and intelligent. I'm so damn ignorant.

 

[allies]

Originally posted by: JackPack

Originally posted by: allies
Thanks for proving my point - AMD was careless in this regard. If they wanted to make sure they'd permeate the market, prices would've dropped if they known how well Intel's part performed. However, they were totally nonchalant with regards to Intel's plans.

AMD wasn't careless. They saw the train coming and tried to keep their ASPs high as long as possible before the drought.

Intel had already demonstrated Conroe/Woodcrest in March 2006. AMD was well aware of the performance. Yet, they kept their 5000+ priced at $696 until days before Conroe's launch in July when they slashed it to $301.

So then what's your explanation for Intel dropping their quad core price so drastically about a quarter before the Barcelona launch?

Edit: I somewhat agree with you on your point about maxing profits; however, since the Conroe performance numbers were out, wouldn't you think demand for X2 processors be lower during the months between performance preview and launch of Conroe? You'd think that AMD would've cut prices to get inventory going. Although the fact that they were making deals with Dell around this time complicates the whole matter...

 

[BradAtWork]

Not sure if anybody cares but we have E2140 and E2160 here in Australia already.

 

[JackPack]

Originally posted by: alliesSo then what's your explanation for Intel dropping their quad core price so drastically about a quarter before the Barcelona launch?

Personally, I think it's a combination of excellent yields, Penryn, and laying barbed wire for AMD.

Almost everyone and their dog has been able to get a satisfying overclock from their Conroe using air. To me, that suggests available headroom. The upcoming G-0 stepping which lowers Q6600 from 105 to 95W supports this. This translates into more cores or higher frequency. Excellent yields, Intel's four 65nm fabs, combined with MCM means quads can be made easily and inexpensively.

If Penryn arrives in the form of Yorkfield later this year at 3.33 GHz as demonstrated, there's no room for it if Q6600 were to remain at $530.

IMO, if Barcelona offered very impressive performance, Intel wouldn't be driving Q6600 to $266 this early, especially since Agena is supposed to arrive during Christmas season.

 

[Cheex]

Originally posted by: JackPack

Originally posted by: alliesSo then what's your explanation for Intel dropping their quad core price so drastically about a quarter before the Barcelona launch?

Personally, I think it's a combination of excellent yields, Penryn, and laying barbed wire for AMD.

Almost everyone and their dog has been able to get a satisfying overclock from their Conroe using air. To me, that suggests available headroom. The upcoming G-0 stepping which lowers Q6600 from 105 to 95W supports this. This translates into more cores or higher frequency. Excellent yields, Intel's four 65nm fabs, combined with MCM means quads can be made easily and inexpensively.

If Penryn arrives in the form of Yorkfield later this year at 3.33 GHz as demonstrated, there's no room for it if Q6600 were to remain at $530.

IMO, if Barcelona offered very impressive performance, Intel wouldn't be driving Q6600 to $266 this early, especially since Agena is supposed to arrive during Christmas season.

I agree.


I think...

Intel is now just going to capitalize on that headroom and release a partial refresh of the C2D line. The E6x20's were a refresh of the E6x00's and now here comes Q6600 down to $266 to make room for the Q6700 at $530.

This is also in preparation for the arrival of the new P35 chipset and the 1333 FSB CPUs. Penryn will also be likely to make a debut before the end of Q3.

I firmly believe that Intel's strategy right now is to keep kicking AMD since as they are down and very accessible to Intel's feet...

What we are seeing is..."Kick them while they're down!!"...at its very best!!

 

[InfoTiger]

Wonder it's official from INTEL or not.
I don't want to hold my breath beyond July 22nd.

 

[The-Noid]

Source is motherboard manufacturers. HKEPC got it right the first time they published this.

They are banking on everyone listening to them again.

Guess you will just have to wait.

My bets are on August 16-17th though .

 

[Hard Ball]

That Q6600 looks mighty tasty right now; it's got to be the best valued CPU on the market for the last couple of years.

 

[AmpedSilence]

Q6600 Oc'ed to 3.0Ghz...... :rool::

Too bad i don't do anything remotely close to justifying that power other than saying "look at my e-p3n1s!!!!1!11!!twelve!!" Thereby invalidating any need for me to buy one

 

[buddhatb]

I'm def looking forward to picking up that Q6600 in July!