Junior Seau reported found dead

[GodisanAtheist]

I am an athiest as well, and I very well know we all end up in the same place we were before we were born......nowhere.

However, even most athiests want to live a comfortable life while we are here, knowing that there is no bull-shit party in the sky as long as we apoligize to the sky-fairy after we commit a "sin,"

You give us a bad name when you minimalize the obvious suffering of a human being.

Since we all end up carbon in the end anyway, why even bother with life? We are both still here for some reason. We haven't ended it. Jr. did.

-WTF who said anything about being an Atheist? The absence of an afterlife does not mean the absence of a god. And God does not have to be an old man with a beard with a master plan, it could just be the ordered state of existence.

And what is with the "we are here for a reason" bit? We are here cause our parents fucked and the fertilized egg took. That does not mean we are incapable of imparting meaning on our own lives, it just means that ultimately everything is meaningless. I think that's the god damn funniest thing ever and I want to laugh about it in public. Brush off the crazies and continue writing your own story.

I'm starting to sound like that moonbeam character.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Sorry, not going that far. More government regulation is NOT what is needed in life. These athletes know the risks going into it.

The only thing I will say is that the NFL needs to provide veterans with top-notch medical care.

So why not have gladiators? They too would know the risks going into the ring. There is no 'top notch' medical care that can fix this problem; it's a slow, painful, death-warrant.

And who said anything about the government? Someone's programmed you to hate doing the right thing because of "the government"?

Wake up brother, program yourself with a virtuous character: not in reaction to some boogy-man totalitarian state you imagine becomes ever more in-control of your life whenever there's a call for the people do the right thing despite the ignorance of others.

 

[OCGuy]

So why not have gladiators? They too would know the risks going into the ring. There is no 'top notch' medical care that can fix this problem; it's a slow, painful, death-warrant.

And who said anything about the government? Someone's programmed you to hate doing the right thing because of "the government"?

Wake up brother, program yourself with a virtuous character: not in reaction to some boogy-man totalitarian state you imagine becomes ever more in-control of your life whenever there's a call for the people do the right thing despite the ignorance of others.

So let's stop all jobs with inherent risks.

http://www.careerbuilder.com/Article/CB-777-Career-Growth-Change-Worlds-Most-Dangerous-Jobs/


Fishers and related fishing workers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 141.7
Number of fatalities: 51
Average salary: $19,104


Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 87.8
Number of fatalities: 101
Average salary: $129,250


Logging workers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 82.1
Number of fatalities: 64
Average salary: $22,320


Structural iron and steel workers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 61.0
Number of fatalities: 36
Average salary: $39,168


Refuse and recyclable material collectors
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 41.8
Number of fatalities: 38
Average salary: $23,770


Farmers and ranchers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 37.1
Number of fatalities: 291
Average salary: $15,603


Electrical power-line installers and repairers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 34.9
Number of fatalities: 38
Average salary: $45,331


Roofers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 33.9
Number of fatalities: 82
Average salary: $28,474


Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 27.1
Number of fatalities: 940
Average salary: $30,931 (for heavy or tractor-trailer drivers)


Miscellaneous agricultural workers
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 21.7
Number of fatalities: 158
Average salary: $24,140

 

[Dr. Zaus]

So let's stop all jobs with inherent risks.

I assume you are a rational, intelligent, person capable of independent thought.

As such, i'll offer the salient distinction: The problem isn't the known risk of fatality inherent in the service provided. It is the unknown level of absolutely guaranteed brain-injury that will happen in full-contact sports.

A cave-in should be avoided as well as can be done but there's no way to avoid that it happens sometimes. Despite this, there is no excuse for not giving people proper-equipment to avoid black-lung.

Similarly, sporting events can be just as intense without giving people permanent brain problems; even if some people are going to have a heart attack on the field in any sport.

Edit:

As you can see, you listed perilous jobs; but the real problem is Harmful work environments, a little lower on the list you provided:

Fifty-three workers died after exposure to temperature extremes; 153 fatalities were the result of inhalation of caustic, noxious or allergenic substances and contributed to a 12 percent increase in fatal work injuries.

Agriculture, forestry, fishing and hunting
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 29.6
Number of fatalities: 646

Mining
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 27.8
Number of fatalities: 190

Transportation and warehousing
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 16.3
Number of fatalities: 832

Construction
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 10.8
Number of fatalities: 1,226

Utilities
Fatality rate (per 100,000 workers): 6.2
Number of fatalities: 52

These fatalities are something that should be avoided; it is a matter of someone with money and privilege exploiting people trying to feed their family to the point that this exploitation kills the person.

If I'm just a laborer selling the commodity of labor to my employer then why do I have to treat him like my superior? If I had grain and sold it to a feed-lot I wouldn't have to treat the feed-lot like my superior. There is more to the worker/employer relationship than an economic-rational exchange of money for the commodity of work.

Lives are involved, ignoring this shows a strong lack of character.

 

[Retro Rob]

All the sports radio talk shows are gushing over themselves saying how it's a tragic event for the entire NFL and all sports. I don't want to sound harsh, and I feel horrible for his family, but I don't feel that bad about it where I"m going to spend time reflecting on it and really caring.

There are people who have it FAR worse than him with no money, terminal illness, etc. and don't take their own lives. I'm sure there are also people everyday who commit suicide. I didn't know anything about him other than he was a good football player....So ya, it's sad, but let's not make this into a nationwide cry fest with candle-light services around the country while we all pretend that we actually knew anything about him.

I understand this post.

This is why I would discourage football playing for my children. People sacrifice their health and long-term mental and physical well-being to get a few dollars in the NFL. Then want to turn an hold the league responsible.

I feel bad for his family because no one knows why he did this. I would not be surprised if his family found grounds to file a law suit and blame the league for this.

 

[TheNinja]

Oh, just shut the fuck up. Dementia is one of the worst ways you can die, period. I've seen it first hand. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

This. CTE is a terminal illness in a sense. There is no recovery. There is brain degradation over time(sometimes short, sometimes not so short), where you first lose your mind, and eventually it leads to death because your mind is completely gone. You stop functioning. Only artificial means(feeding tubes, hydration, eventually ventilators) keeps you alive. There is no reversing it, not right now, probably not ever.

Also to comment on the other persons post. Poor uneducated people with termianl illnesses rarely kill themselves. Educated Upper Middle Class or Rich people with terminal illnesses are the most likely to committ suicide.

As I said, it is indeed very sad. But I guess my point is that it is no more sad than the average Joe Blow who die everyday or commit suicide and leave their own families aside. What bugs me even more are all these sports talk guys, TV people, radio people, etc. that act like they really care. They act all somber and take a moment of silence...then next week they'll be gushing about the "huge hits" and showing over and over some WR getting blasted unconscious by a Safety on their "Top 10" highlights of the week. I guess the hypocrisy and "fake" sadness by most people is what gets me. Nobody here really knew the man other than what we saw on the field or in his public life. I'm not going to sit here and act like his life was more important than anyone else's.

 

[crashtestdummy]

As I said, it is indeed very sad. But I guess my point is that it is no more sad than the average Joe Blow who die everyday or commit suicide and leave their own families aside. What bugs me even more are all these sports talk guys, TV people, radio people, etc. that act like they really care. They act all somber and take a moment of silence...then next week they'll be gushing about the "huge hits" and showing over and over some WR getting blasted unconscious by a Safety on their "Top 10" highlights of the week. I guess the hypocrisy and "fake" sadness by most people is what gets me. Nobody here really knew the man other than what we saw on the field or in his public life. I'm not going to sit here and act like his life was more important than anyone else's.

You're of course right in many respects on the bolded. What is different for me, though, is that I feel complicit in Seau's death. I love watching football. My money and time contributes to the infrastructure of football in this country at every level. It's more than his particular life, it's symbolic of the damage we do to other people for our own entertainment. Of course people who choose to play football do so of their own free will, but I also choose to gain enjoyment off of their suffering. I'm not sure I can justify doing it anymore.

 

[unokitty]

RIP Junior Seau

Kurt Warner would prefer his sons not play football

I grew up watching football.

During the Parseghian era at Notre Dame was fortunate to have a relative that happened to be a Sports Editor at the Chicago Tribune. Consequently, my Dad could always get the tickets for the games that he didn't want to see...

Grew up thinking that everyone's dad took them to South Bend once a year where they would sit 12 to 20 rows up around mid-field for a game.

Its really sad to see what has happened to football. Its not just Junior Seau, its people like Dave Duerson as well... Its the shabby treatment of the retired players. And its three hundred pound chemically enhanced players that are not going to grow old gracefully.

At the college level, its the million dollar coaches and schools that get rich of the backs or 'amateur' players. Most of which don't graduate...

I don't know but when you have a two time league MVP that would prefer his kids not play football, I think that its pretty clear that I'm not the only one that thinks that the game has changed... and not for the better.

Uno

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

As I said, it is indeed very sad. But I guess my point is that it is no more sad than the average Joe Blow who die everyday or commit suicide and leave their own families aside. What bugs me even more are all these sports talk guys, TV people, radio people, etc. that act like they really care. They act all somber and take a moment of silence...then next week they'll be gushing about the "huge hits" and showing over and over some WR getting blasted unconscious by a Safety on their "Top 10" highlights of the week. I guess the hypocrisy and "fake" sadness by most people is what gets me. Nobody here really knew the man other than what we saw on the field or in his public life. I'm not going to sit here and act like his life was more important than anyone else's.

Do you feel sad for the starving African children when you see pictures? You don't know them either.
We are sympathetic creatures. Feeling bad or sad for someone else is a perfectly normal thing. I really think the fact that you can't feel sympathy towards another human that was suffering and now his family says more about you then "all the fake sadness people".

 

[Capt Caveman]

As I said, it is indeed very sad. But I guess my point is that it is no more sad than the average Joe Blow who die everyday or commit suicide and leave their own families aside. What bugs me even more are all these sports talk guys, TV people, radio people, etc. that act like they really care. They act all somber and take a moment of silence...then next week they'll be gushing about the "huge hits" and showing over and over some WR getting blasted unconscious by a Safety on their "Top 10" highlights of the week. I guess the hypocrisy and "fake" sadness by most people is what gets me. Nobody here really knew the man other than what we saw on the field or in his public life. I'm not going to sit here and act like his life was more important than anyone else's.

Why even post in this thread other than to troll? You keep coming back to this thread.

If you cared to listen to these folks, everyone he met liked and respected him. He was a legendary player who gained many fans. He raised and donated $ millions to charity, gave back to his community and never turned down an offer to be part of someone else's charity event.

So no, it's not fake sadness. If he wasn't so popular and well liked then he wouldn't be garnering so much media attention.

 

[TheNinja]

Why even post in this thread other than to troll? You keep coming back to this thread.

If you cared to listen to these folks, everyone he met liked and respected him. He was a legendary player who gained many fans. He raised and donated $ millions to charity, gave back to his community and never turned down an offer to be part of someone else's charity event.

So no, it's not fake sadness. If he wasn't so popular and well liked then he wouldn't be garnering so much media attention.

I'm not trolling, I'm giving my point of view and opinion on the subject. However, I realize it might be too early after the event and not necessarily in great taste at this point though, so I will not be coming back to post. I'll let people post their good memories and thoughts of Junior and mourn/grieve as they see fit.

 

[Sentrosi2121]

RIP Junior.

 

[JulesMaximus]

As I said, it is indeed very sad. But I guess my point is that it is no more sad than the average Joe Blow who die everyday or commit suicide and leave their own families aside. What bugs me even more are all these sports talk guys, TV people, radio people, etc. that act like they really care. They act all somber and take a moment of silence...then next week they'll be gushing about the "huge hits" and showing over and over some WR getting blasted unconscious by a Safety on their "Top 10" highlights of the week. I guess the hypocrisy and "fake" sadness by most people is what gets me. Nobody here really knew the man other than what we saw on the field or in his public life. I'm not going to sit here and act like his life was more important than anyone else's.

I actually agree with you there. These fuckers are happy to have someone watch their stupid pathetic reactions. To them, this is a ratings booster.

My wife used to see Jr Seau down by the beach from time to time when she would go running with her friends (we also live in Oceanside). Said he was always very nice and just seemed like a genuinely nice guy... which is how he was to everyone. I've seen him play in person and from what I knew of him he was as much a presence off the field as he was on the field. This was a guy who was very giving to the community and very much a humanitarian. He was anything but the average Joe Blow.

Very sad to see him take his own life. :'(

 

[SP33Demon]

I actually agree with you there. These fuckers are happy to have someone watch their stupid pathetic reactions. To them, this is a ratings booster.
[snip]

Yes, because empathy isn't normal and Seau was normal? It's a natural reaction to talk about someone as great as Junior, it has nothing to do with ratings but being human. That's like saying everyone at a funeral is there for their own selfish reasons and not to pay their respects. I can see bitching about Tebo's coverage by the media, but anyone complaining that Junior's death is getting too much coverage is just a sociopath, plain and simple. Yes, that includes some people in this thread.