Jury Acquits Texas Man For Murder Of Escort Who Refused Sex

[Dari]

That's true (and it was also fairly specific to the details of this case). But given the outrage expressed by many in this thread, and over other internet sites as well, I think that my morality is being echoed by a lot of other people who are frankly shocked by the details of this case.

They shouldn't be. From her actions it appears that this is something she did regularly. It was past time to resolve this.

 

[Jaskalas]

I could place $150 on any dead body, that does not justify murder!

 

[Kadarin]

You can't call for the services of a whore and then shoot her when she arrive 'cause dude, she was a whore and that's illegal.'

No, you can't do that. He shot her because she stole $150 from him, not because "she was a whore". Irony is that if she actually had been a whore, she'd still be alive and he probably would be a happy customer.

So you're left with theft, which I'd also have to call bullshit on. At most it would fall vaguely into a civil area related to 'breach of contract.' Basically, failing to provide a service you've been compensated for.

The Texas jury equated breach of contract with theft. I don't have a problem with that.

The only excuse that can possibly be made for this scenario is if her pimp threatened him, or there were some other complicating factors. And it doesn't sound like anything like that happened; if it did, it wasn't major. Not like the whore got shot in a scuffle or something.

This is your opinion, and a Texas jury clearly disagrees with you.

She robbed him for being a dumbass that hired a craigslist prostitute. He shot her in the face for retribution.

It's very likely that she robbed him because that's what she was doing, regularly robbing people who call her for escort service. In other words, she is a (professional?) thief. He may have shot her for retribution, or to get his stolen property back.

Read: murder.

NOT murder. Murder is *unlawful* killing with malice aforethought, and a Texas court determined that this killing was not unlawful.

 

[zinfamous]

At most it would fall vaguely into a civil area related to 'breach of contract.' Basically, failing to provide a service you've been compensated for.

He could definitely win in civil court. Then go to jail.

heh...not a bad point, really. reminds me of ATer not receiving the gun that he paid for.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

you almost sound like you think the thief did nothing wrong. Do you just feel like all theft should not be able to be stopped by citizens? Only police?

Unless you are capable of overpowering the thief, that leaves you needing a weapon.

In my opinion, I turn your argument against the thief. You are in a state where much of the population has firearms. If you are dumb enough to steal, you are taking the huge risk of personal injury(or worse in this case).

Don't steal unless you know all the risks associated, and yes, being shot is one.

Of course the thief did something wrong. Multiple things, really. She used a public website to sell a service that is illegal (morally I'm fine with this, but it's still a really stupid thing to do, not to mention illegal), she scammed some poor guy and she was attempting to steal $150, which, while not a princely sum, is also a fair amount for most people. She was in the wrong.

So she got shot in the neck.

That's a bit of an overreaction, no? Can you think of a single jurisdiction on Earth that would give the death penalty out for stealing $150? There probably are some, but I'm guessing it's somewhere none of us would voluntarily live. Her punishment for a bad scam operation is death. That's overkill, no pun intended. The guy still had her contact info, he could have gone to the police, reported it to Craigslist, or any number of other actions. He kills her?

Not to mention, let's examine what he did wrong. He solicited sex from someone over the internet in exchange for money. Again, I don't personally find that immoral, but it is illegal. The entire transaction started with his commission of an illegal act. If he hadn't ordered a prostitute, he never would have found himself trying to get his money back from one. If you're going to play the "broke the law" card, he's equally culpable for setting up their transaction to begin with.

Petty theft does not deserve vigilante justice from someone who was engaged in a criminal act himself.

 

[zinfamous]

you almost sound like you think the thief did nothing wrong. Do you just feel like all theft should not be able to be stopped by citizens? Only police?

Unless you are capable of overpowering the thief, that leaves you needing a weapon.

In my opinion, I turn your argument against the thief. You are in a state where much of the population has firearms. If you are dumb enough to steal, you are taking the huge risk of personal injury(or worse in this case).

Don't steal unless you know all the risks associated, and yes, being shot is one.

He was committing an illegal act by paying her. Don't be a criminal if you don't prepare to be taken by other criminals, right? Isn't that a fair form of justice?

I think a lot of people here are thinking that justice was best served by one criminal murdering another, in a greater sense that had the story ended with one criminal stealing from another criminal.

for the record, I don't think prostitution should be illegal, but there you go with this story, It is, he committed an illegal act while being protected by the law to commit murder.

go Texas....

 

[SlitheryDee]

As I have said in countless other threads: Getting 'what you deserve' should not control what the law is and how it is interpreted. Stop ruining the fucking country for everyone else.

You misunderstand. You don't shoot the thieves in the neck because it feels good. You shoot them in the neck so there won't be any more thieves.

 

[phucheneh]

You misunderstand. You don't shoot the thieves in the neck because it feels good. You shoot them in the neck so there won't be any more thieves.

And then when you cut someone off in traffic, they shoot you in the neck for recklessly endangering their life with your attempted vehicular manslaughter.

See how your concept of 'justice' is flawed?

 

[Baked]

If you're gonna be selling your body, you best be doing it in a state that's chill all the time. Come to LA, we love hoes.

 

[Kadarin]

for the record, I don't think prostitution should be illegal, but there you go with this story, It is, he committed an illegal act while being protected by the law to commit murder.

He didn't commit murder. He killed her, yes, but it wasn't murder. It was justifiable homicide per Texas law.

If the local district attorney determines that his solicitation of her for services was a crime, then the DA should of course charge the guy with that particular crime.

 

[zinfamous]

He didn't commit murder. He killed her, yes, but it wasn't murder. It was justifiable homicide per Texas law.

If the local district attorney determines that his solicitation of her for services was a crime, then the DA should of course charge the guy with that particular crime.

actually, if this was the wild west, as others suggested--he certainly would have committed murder and possibly hanged for it.

--dude shot an unarmed woman while she was turned around.
That's not how you deal with thieves.

Why is Texas proud for legalizing cowardice?

 

[phucheneh]

He didn't commit murder. He killed her, yes, but it wasn't murder. It was justifiable homicide per Texas law.

Oh-em-gee, quit saying this, people. You don't understand how 'law' works.

The whole reason we have a court system is to interpret and apply the law. You can be on the side of 'they succeeded' or 'they failed.' Inventing a third side, 'it is the law,' is practically a non-sequitur.

 

[Kadarin]

Why is Texas proud for legalizing cowardice?

Ask them, I don't live there.

 

[Kadarin]

Oh-em-gee, quit saying this, people. You don't understand how 'law' works.

The whole reason we have a court system is to interpret and apply the law. You can be on the side of 'they succeeded' or 'they failed.' Inventing a third side, 'it is the law,' is practically a non-sequitur.

He was acquitted by the court system, so therefore... It wasn't murder and it was apparently justifiable under Texas law according to their court system. Not sure what your problem is?

 

[IronWing]

We need a travel advisory for Texas. Potential visitors should be made aware that basic human rights are not observed under Texas law and that there is no functioning legal system to protect them from extrajudicial killings.

 

[zinfamous]

Ask them, I don't live there.

maybe I will!

 

[zinfamous]

He was acquitted by the court system, so therefore... It wasn't murder and it was apparently justifiable under Texas law. Not sure what your problem is?

really? I know you've read the thread...

...it has everything to do with Texas, and their ass-backwards idea of "justice."

 

[DaveSimmons]

Do career criminals deserve to die?

They rarely stop committing crimes on their own, and there's currently no way to stop them other than paying to lock them up. Some even work on improving their skills while incarcerated.

So, would society be improved by applying some kind of "final solution" to the problem? Can the rest of America learn from Texas?

 

[IronWing]

Do career criminals deserve to die?

They rarely stop committing crimes on their own, and there's currently no way to stop them other than paying to lock them up. Some even work on improving their skills while incarcerated.

So, would society be improved by applying some kind of "final solution" to the problem? Can the rest of America learn from Texas?

Should a guy who just got turned down for sex by an escort be the one to make the call?

 

[DaveSimmons]

Should a guy who just got turned down for sex by an escort be the one to make the call?

You mean "should a guy who was just robbed of $150 make the call", but I'm asking ATOT.

Career criminals: cake or death?

 

[IronWing]

You mean "should a guy who was just robbed of $150 make the call", but I'm asking ATOT.

Career criminals: cake or death?

Neither. Your justic-o-meter is busted.

 

[andylawcc]

If not, he gave her money to perform an illegal activity. One could infer that if you hire a hitman who does not do his job, it is then legal to kill him. Hooray Texas.

this

 

[cliftonite]

You mean "should a guy who was just robbed of $150 make the call", but I'm asking ATOT.

Career criminals: cake or death?

The guy who shot her was also a criminal. Will you shoot him?

 

[Kadarin]

The guy who shot her was also a criminal. Will you shoot him?

What crime was he convicted of?

 

[SolMiester]

How farken ridiculous is that......