Jury Acquits Texas Man For Murder Of Escort Who Refused Sex

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HamburgerBoy

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Apr 12, 2004
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The misogyny is strong in this thread. Replace escort with painter or plumber and see how many folks defend this murder.

A man enters the home of another, promising to lay some pipe. After 20 minutes of dicking around without accomplishing anything, he takes the payment and stiffs the homeowner by breaking for his accomplice's car. Homeowner shoots sleazy plumber. I have no problem with this.
 

Merad

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May 31, 2010
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This ruling makes no sense at all.

1. I've seen nothing about the incident which says that the girl stole the money. It was willingly given. Which means...
2. If the chick was an "escort", then the payment was for merely for her time, so she technically had no obligation to provide sex. This would be a civil breach of contract type dispute, not a criminal matter (theft).
3. If she actually took money while promising sex in return, then I imagine that both she and the guy were breaking the law. I haven't looked at Texas specifically but most other states have clauses in their laws about self defense saying, essentially, "none of this applies to you if you're engaged in criminal activity."

Unless circumstances were vastly different from what was reported, this is definitely another WTF, Texas? moment...
 

Phokus

Lifer
Nov 20, 1999
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Texas wants so much to be Florida.

Let me fix that for you: "Texas wants so much to be Saudi Arabia". This is such a batshit stupid law and ruling that it could ONLY come from a state full of RepubliTALIBAN morons.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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You live in Cali, why do you care so much about what happens here in Texas?

maybe it's the same reason that everyone who has never lived in or been to Cali seems to concern themselves so much with what happens in Cali?

just a thought...
 

Paul98

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Jan 31, 2010
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People continue to show how screwed up they are, how little they care for anyone's life except their own. We have made it legal to kill over things that you would go to small claims court for. If you make a mistake or bad decision or even nothing actually wrong, we have made it legal to kill the person in many circumstances. They don't get a chance to make it right, change what they did or anything.

You create these laws along with the crazy gun nuts and you have people being killed that should have never should have.
 

MikeyLSU

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People continue to show how screwed up they are, how little they care for anyone's life except their own. We have made it legal to kill over things that you would go to small claims court for. If you make a mistake or bad decision or even nothing actually wrong, we have made it legal to kill the person in many circumstances. They don't get a chance to make it right, change what they did or anything.

You create these laws along with the crazy gun nuts and you have people being killed that should have never should have.

how hard is it to not rob people? Seriously, if it were as easy and going to small claims court to get your money back, this wouldn't be needed.

But as everyone knows, when someone robs someone, most of the time, they get away with it, unless something like this happens or the victim is able to overpower the robber somehow. I had my radio stolen from my car when I was younger and making minimum wage. I never got it replaced for a while because I couldn't afford it. Could I just go to small claims court? Hell no, nobody ever caught the guy and that is how it works, justice never comes from theft. So some have had to put it in their own hands, which I really don't have a problem with since that is the only justice available to them.

I know plenty of people who have either had something stolen from them, or were robbed, or held up, and not one of them ever got their money or belongings back. And the encourages more people to rob others since chances of being caught are very small since police will not bother with "trivial" matters.

EDIT: I do agree this is a weird case since he probably gave the money willingly then was denied service.

I am mainly talking about robberies, or hold ups. I have a couple of friends who were held up and gave up all their money, one only had $30 on him so they beat the crap out of him. These people should be shot, they have so little respect for others, I have no issue with someone killing them for it.

If you ever point a weapon at someone as a threat to rob someone, I would always be ok with killing them.
 
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MrDudeMan

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Jan 15, 2001
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Again, your values are fucked up.

Say it all you want, but that doesn't mean it's true. I literally said he was an idiot for killing her over $150. Then you said I was an idiot for thinking it was okay for someone to kill another person over $150. I'm not surprised at your failure to comprehend my follow-up posts based on the initial idiotic response, though.
 
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IronWing

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Jul 20, 2001
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Say it all you want, but that doesn't mean it's true. I literally said he was an idiot for killing her over $150. Then you said I was an idiot for thinking it was okay for someone to kill another person over $150. I'm not surprised at your failure to comprehend my follow-up posts based on the initial idiotic response, though.

You conveniently left out the rest of your statement so I'll remind you.

but she had it coming.
 

MrDudeMan

Lifer
Jan 15, 2001
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You conveniently left out the rest of your statement so I'll remind you.

I didn't conveniently leave it out. It doesn't mean even close to what you think it means. That should have been obvious based on the first part of my statement, which I included to try to prevent idiots from assuming I think she deserved to die over $150.

She was robbing people who pay for prostitutes. This is what happens when you do that.
 

MikeyLSU

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I didn't conveniently leave it out. It doesn't mean even close to what you think it means. That should have been obvious based on the first part of my statement, which I included to try to prevent idiots from assuming I think she deserved to die over $150.

She was robbing people who pay for prostitutes. This is what happens when you do that.

I would equate it to doing other very stupid things. If I went into a predominantly black ghetto at night and started yelling racist comments everywhere as loud as I could. I would be asking to get beat bad or even killed. Does it mean I deserve to die? not for just yelling racist comments, but I would be asking for it.

There are dumb things people do that are just asking to be shot and robbing others is one. If you do it to the wrong person, they will retaliate with a weapon.
 

MrDudeMan

Lifer
Jan 15, 2001
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I would equate it to doing other very stupid things. If I went into a predominantly black ghetto at night and started yelling racist comments everywhere as loud as I could. I would be asking to get beat bad or even killed. Does it mean I deserve to die? not for just yelling racist comments, but I would be asking for it.

There are dumb things people do that are just asking to be shot and robbing others is one. If you do it to the wrong person, they will retaliate with a weapon.

This is exactly what I meant. I literally said she shouldn't die for this, but people get pissed off over stupid things and then do more stupid things. It's not complicated.
 

Bird222

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Jun 7, 2004
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This ruling makes no sense at all.

1. I've seen nothing about the incident which says that the girl stole the money. It was willingly given. Which means...
2. If the chick was an "escort", then the payment was for merely for her time, so she technically had no obligation to provide sex. This would be a civil breach of contract type dispute, not a criminal matter (theft).
3. If she actually took money while promising sex in return, then I imagine that both she and the guy were breaking the law. I haven't looked at Texas specifically but most other states have clauses in their laws about self defense saying, essentially, "none of this applies to you if you're engaged in criminal activity."

Unless circumstances were vastly different from what was reported, this is definitely another WTF, Texas? moment...

This. Especially 3. But maybe Texas laws are completely fucked up.
 

Phoenix86

Lifer
May 21, 2003
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This. Especially 3. But maybe Texas laws are completely fucked up.
This isn't a "Texas" law, it's basically an application of the Castle Doctrine which many states have. It's the application that's unusual.

Well it would prevent another texan from becoming president so it's a great idea already.
It's always funny when people generalize about Texans as being idiots while at the same time proving specifically that they are.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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You pay an escort for her time. They don't all give out sex at the end or during that date.
 

Phokus

Lifer
Nov 20, 1999
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This isn't a "Texas" law, it's basically an application of the Castle Doctrine which many states have. It's the application that's unusual.


It's always funny when people generalize about Texans as being idiots while at the same time proving specifically that they are.

Texans keep proving me right. I'll give an exception to Austin though.
 

Merad

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May 31, 2010
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This isn't a "Texas" law, it's basically an application of the Castle Doctrine which many states have. It's the application that's unusual.

Can you cite a single source indicating that the money was stolen? If he willingly gave her the money then the theft after dark law doesn't even apply.
 

nehalem256

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Apr 13, 2012
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Can you cite a single source indicating that the money was stolen? If he willingly gave her the money then the theft after dark law doesn't even apply.

He gave her money for "escort services". I think anyone with any intelligence knows that a craigslist escort is a wink-wink way to say prostitute. She refused to put out or return the money; sounds like theft to me.

This seems especially true when you consider:
Gilbert testified earlier Tuesday that he had found Frago's escort ad on Craigslist and believed sex was included in her $150 fee. But instead, Frago walked around his apartment and after about 20 minutes left, saying she had to give the money to her driver, he said.

That driver, the defense contended, was Frago's pimp and her partner in the theft scheme.

Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...uits-escort-shooter-4581027.php#ixzz2VfqUdQhO
 

Adrenaline

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Jun 12, 2005
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I bet this wasn't the first time this lady did this. She just happened to do it to the wrong guy.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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He gave her money for "escort services". I think anyone with any intelligence knows that a craigslist escort is a wink-wink way to say prostitute. She refused to put out or return the money; sounds like theft to me.

This seems especially true when you consider:

That's the layman's belief.

There are many women just looking to make extra cash and a lot of dudes just looking for some company.

You and the other tards thinking it's your right to kill them over it is bullshit.
 
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