Jury Acquits Texas Man For Murder Of Escort Who Refused Sex

[IronWing]

I wonder why Nehalem hasn't chimed in. He usually has something negative to say about women in threads like this.

He's too busy gluing quarters to his sidewalk and cleaning his gun.

 

[WHAMPOM]

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...r-murder-of-escort-who-refused-sex/?mobile=nc

A Texas jury acquitted a man for the murder of a woman he hired as an escort, after his lawyers claimed he was authorized to use deadly force because she refused sex.

You must mean hired her as a prostitute not an escort. But it is Texas, deep down in the "Bible Belt" where they can't call a whore a whore and must use an euphemism.

 

[John Connor]

I'm moving to Texas! Bitch had it coming!

 

[Wreckem]

And correctly so



Its the law

Its highly debatable what she did constituted theft, and it certainly wasn't robbery or burglary.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Its highly debatable what she did constitutes theft or robbery.

Really? Showing up to someone's house for 20 minutes, taking 150 dollars conditionally, breaking the conditions, and then running away with the money doesn't constitute theft to you?

 

[Wreckem]

I think he was pointing out that it's a ludicrous statement to claim that the man is not a criminal when he admitted to an illegal activity (soliciting prostitution) but was never found guilty whereas the woman is a criminal because she committed an illegal act (robbery) although she never was convicted of a crime. They're either both criminals or neither is; you can't just arbitrarily brand one of them a criminal because you approve of his actions more than hers (or vice versa).

She did not commit robbery.

Robbery requires force or threat of force to take someones property. He gave her the money, she didnt use force to get it.

Wasn't burglary either because she was invited into his house.

At best it was larceny by trick but that is a stretch because he was asking for to commit an illegal act.

 

[phucheneh]

Really? Showing up to someone's house for 20 minutes, taking 150 dollars conditionally, breaking the conditions, and then running away with the money doesn't constitute theft to you?

My last employer stole over $10,000 worth of possessions from me. Had the intention of never returning them. Filed paperwork that I proved to be fraudulent. Defrauded a major automaker. Their actions against me constituted a theft crime to the letter of the law.

'Nope, you brought your possessions onto their property. Civil action. We have speeders to catch. Go away.'

I'm confused, do I get to shoot them in the face or not?

Money given willfully to prostitute...not rightfully returned...hmm, good thing this murderer dude's situation was not at all similar to what people, and especially corporations, are allowed to do every day without criminal penalty.

What would a 911 dispatcher have done if he called in a report of 'I paid a whore and didn't ejaculate'?

 

[Wreckem]

Really? Showing up to someone's house for 20 minutes, taking 150 dollars conditionally, breaking the conditions, and then running away with the money doesn't constitute theft to you?

Its breach of an oral contract(but a contract that requires a party to do something illegal is not enforcable). Its possibly larceny by trick, but again he was asking her to perform an illegal act.

The intent of the law was not to allow people to do what this guy did. You can expect the statue to be altered and reworded.

 

[dlx22]

I wouldn't get to hung up over the law. I'm not sure how many of you have been able to sit in on jury trials but the law really is irrelevant when it comes time for the trial. It is all about who can put the best spin on what happened in front of the jury. If you can afford a good lawyer in a case that is not clear cut you will probably get off most of the time.

 

[shimsham]

i have no problem with that

 

[Attic]

I wouldn't get to hung up over the law. I'm not sure how many of you have been able to sit in on jury trials but the law really is irrelevant when it comes time for the trial. It is all about who can put the best spin on what happened in front of the jury. If you can afford a good lawyer in a case that is not clear cut you will probably get off most of the time.

Winner.

If the murderer was rich or well connected all the better for benefiting from our two tier legal system.

 

[Phoenix86]

You must mean hired her as a prostitute not an escort. But it is Texas, deep down in the "Bible Belt" where they can't call a whore a whore and must use an euphemism.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083642/

 

[shabby]

Texas wants so much to be Florida.

BREAKING NEWS: A florida man shoots a texas man... news at 11!

 

[uclaLabrat]

Its breach of an oral contract(but a contract that requires a party to do something illegal is not enforcable). Its possibly larceny by trick, but again he was asking her to perform an illegal act.

The intent of the law was not to allow people to do what this guy did. You can expect the statue to be altered and reworded.

Damn right it was breach of an oral contract.

Giggity.

 

[Jodell88]

Damn right it was breach of an oral contract.

Giggity.

 

[MrDudeMan]

I have no issue with what he did. I'm not sure why these threads always degenerate into Texas bashing. None of you are forced to live there, so get over it. I'd move back to Texas if it wasn't so hot.

 

[IronWing]

I have no issue with what he did. I'm not sure why these threads always degenerate into Texas bashing. None of you are forced to live there, so get over it. I'd move back to Texas if it wasn't so hot.

Texas law is an expression of Texas culture and Texas culture sucks, rotten to the core. The man is a murdering, whoring scumbag but Texas law and therefore Texas culture declare that acceptable.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Texas law is an expression of Texas culture and Texas culture sucks, rotten to the core. The man is a murdering, whoring scumbag but Texas law and therefore Texas culture declare that acceptable.

Like I said, get the hell over it. Obviously no one gives a shit if a bunch of nerds on a forum like Texas law. Lobby to change the law or move on. I think Texas culture is just fine.

The guy is an idiot for killing someone over $150, but she had it coming.

 

[IronWing]

Like I said, get the hell over it. Obviously no one gives a shit if a bunch of nerds on a forum like Texas law. Lobby to change the law or move on. I think Texas culture is just fine.

The guy is an idiot for killing someone over $150, but she had it coming.

Your values are fucked up to think $150 is worth killing over.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Your values are fucked up to think $150 is worth killing over.

You really couldn't be any dumber:

The guy is an idiot for killing someone over $150

People get angry over silly things, so she had it coming simply by ignoring that simple fact. Rip off shady people and you are much more likely to die. It's that easy.

 

[Craig234]

I wouldn't get to hung up over the law. I'm not sure how many of you have been able to sit in on jury trials but the law really is irrelevant when it comes time for the trial. It is all about who can put the best spin on what happened in front of the jury. If you can afford a good lawyer in a case that is not clear cut you will probably get off most of the time.

As someone who has sat on jusries, I don't agree. Jurieis IMO tend to try to follow the law, unless they strongly disagree with it; and almost every trial is 'not clear cut'.

That's something I learned - cases that are clear cut don't go to juries much. It's only those where they are tough to decide usually because of a lack of clear evidence.

One I sat on was almost comical - we did laugh - over how the case had three witnesses, the victim, the defendant, and a little old lady, where the defendant and victime told such black and white opposite stories it was hard to believe, they had almost nothing in common, so we all waited with great anticpation as the only neutral witness, the little old lady, took the stand - and said that when she heard the yelling, she put her hands over her eyes, and she could offer nothing to settle who was lying.

In another case, it was for drunk driving, the police officer testified he watched the driver and passenger switch places as he was pulling them over and they were stopped at a light. The defendant, who was the passenger arrested, admitted he was drunk but denied they switched places and said some things fell on the floor when they stopped fast at the light. Not very plausible - but a juror owned the same truck and said it had a tiny window there was no way the officer could have told whether they switched places.

Interesting trials, it seems almost all trials have the defendant 'probably guilty' but it's not clcear about 'beyond a reasonable doubt'.

I think it's very hard for a lot of people to vote 'not guilty' when it seems like there's an 80% chance they are guilty - but they're supposed to.

 

[MrDudeMan]

As someone who has sat on jusries, I don't agree. Jurieis IMO tend to try to follow the law, unless they strongly disagree with it; and almost every trial is 'not clear cut'.

That's been my experience as well. Reading a law as it's stated on a forum is very different than being given instructions by a judge about how to apply the law with all of the nuances spelled out. Being on a jury actually restored a lot of my faith in our justice system because it was extremely different than I expected.

 

[Paul98]

We have gotten worse and worse as a society, basically we have made murder over small things legal. We don't even do eye for an eye, we do a life for disrespect... Maybe someone will kill him in the near future, I would have no problem with that. I find these types of people far worse than the "criminals"

I don't even know what to say about the government or the laws of this country. I used to think people wanted good things for each other and would work to make things better. Or laws are made, followed, and enforced in a rational sense. I have since learned over and over that that is BS. Most only think about themselves and don't give a shit about anyone else.

 

[IronWing]

The misogyny is strong in this thread. Replace escort with painter or plumber and see how many folks defend this murder.

 

[IronWing]

You really couldn't be any dumber:



People get angry over silly things, so she had it coming simply by ignoring that simple fact. Rip off shady people and you are much more likely to die. It's that easy.

Again, your values are fucked up.