Just came back from the D.C. Demonstrations....

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Feldenak
If they're here illegally...pack'em up and ship'em out.

<-- 2nd generation citizen, so it's not like my family has been here for ages.

<---1st gen.


Go ahead and do that, and watch the country grind to a halt.

This country survived just fine without bloodsucking illegals. Want in the country? There are legal channels for that.

Bloodsucking?

Hard to file income taxes to pay for these lovely federal programs when you don't have a SS#, paid under the table, etc...

Yes, bloodsucking.

Boot'em out.

These people want to pay taxes and contribute.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Feldenak
If they're here illegally...pack'em up and ship'em out.

<-- 2nd generation citizen, so it's not like my family has been here for ages.

<---1st gen.


Go ahead and do that, and watch the country grind to a halt.

This country survived just fine without bloodsucking illegals. Want in the country? There are legal channels for that.

Vampires??? Without Green Cards??? There oughta be a law!!!

There is a law...there's a reason they're called "illegals".

But turning in people who help them to the extent that the new proposition declares just feels morally wrong.

 

[conehead433]

OK so I didn't bother to read the posts here. Build a very high fence across the border of Mexico before it's too late. Decades of inaction regarding this problem have caused the number of illegal immigrants to skyrocket to umpteen million or so. Let them go through the proper procedure for becoming citizens of this country. Enforce laws that would require a social security card or green card before anyone could get employment. Prosecute employers who don't abide by this rule. Of course if you are an illegal immigrant you probably disagree with me. If you're vote counted I would give a shvt.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Feldenak
If they're here illegally...pack'em up and ship'em out.

<-- 2nd generation citizen, so it's not like my family has been here for ages.

<---1st gen.


Go ahead and do that, and watch the country grind to a halt.

This country survived just fine without bloodsucking illegals. Want in the country? There are legal channels for that.

Bloodsucking?

Hard to file income taxes to pay for these lovely federal programs when you don't have a SS#, paid under the table, etc...

Yes, bloodsucking.

Boot'em out.

These people want to pay taxes and contribute.

They should have come to the country legally. Like it or not, a majority of the illegals are from Mexico. The USA is not a social program for Mexican unemployment.

 

[Steve]

What is your problem with illegals wanting to become legal?

 

[Feldenak]

Hell, the INS should have showed up to these rallies and rounded up the illegals and dropped them back off in Mexico.

 

[Smackem]

bloodsucking? What 'blood' are they sucking? They are doing jobs that americans won't or don't want to do

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: conehead433
OK so I didn't bother to read the posts here. Build a very high fence across the border of Mexico before it's too late. Decades of inaction regarding this problem have caused the number of illegal immigrants to skyrocket to umpteen million or so. Let them go through the proper procedure for becoming citizens of this country. Enforce laws that would require a social security card or green card before anyone could get employment. Prosecute employers who don't abide by this rule. Of course if you are an illegal immigrant you probably disagree with me. If you're vote counted I would give a shvt.

Give it time. Soon Dems and others on the left will make sure that illegals get to vote too. They are already working at getting them the right to vote in local elections in New York and California. That gets the foot in the door for full voting rights down the road.

 

[IronWing]

I went to the march in Tucson this morning. It was great; happy, determined people everywhere. The estimate was 10,000 in attendance at the rally following the march. I estimate the number of marchers was about half that with the other half showing up at the rally site. The vast majority of marchers were homegrown. I left after the march as large crowds aren't my thing.

I'm of Irish descent; my ancestors arrived prior to the Civil War so why did I march? I'm tired of people dying in the desert. My job involves lots of field work in remote areas. It sucks that I feel obligated to carry an english/spanish cheatsheet with the following phrases:

Are you thirsty?
Are you hungry?
Do you know where you are?
Do you need medical help?
Are there more people in your group?
Do you know where the others in the group are?
There is no water ahead, death is certain.
The only thing to do is call the Border Patrol.
It is one hundred kilometers to Phoenix.
The water of the river is not good for drinking.
Do you have water?
Do you have food?
Do you know where you are going?
If medical help is called, the Border Patrol will come.
How many more are left behind?
Do they need medical help?
Is that why they are behind?
It is a very long way to walk.
It is ten kilometers to water, if you can find it.
It is very far away.
You can not carry enough water to finish the journey.

The deaths in the desert (279 last year) are a predictable result of current laws and policies. Our laws and policies are unjust and need to be fixed. The current system offers people a golden carrot - if they can run the gauntlet. Mexico's laws and policies are also unjust and need to be fixed but I don't get a say in Mexican politics but I do get a say here so I vote and I marched.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Smackem
bloodsucking? What 'blood' are they sucking? They are doing jobs that americans won't or don't want to do

Americans will be more than willing to do these jobs....just not at the payscale that employers can get illegal immigrants to do them.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: ironwing
I went to the march in Tucson this morning. It was great; happy, determined people everywhere. The estimate was 10,000 in attendance at the rally following the march. I estimate the number of marchers was about half that with the other half showing up at the rally site. The vast majority of marchers were homegrown. I left after the march as large crowds aren't my thing.

I'm of Irish descent; my ancestors arrived prior to the Civil War so why did I march? I'm tired of people dying in the desert. My job involves lots of field work in remote areas. It sucks that I feel obligated to carry an english/spanish cheatsheet with the following phrases:

Are you thirsty?
Are you hungry?
Do you know where you are?
Do you need medical help?
Are there more people in your group?
Do you know where the others in the group are?
There is no water ahead, death is certain.
The only thing to do is call the Border Patrol.
It is one hundred kilometers to Phoenix.
The water of the river is not good for drinking.
Do you have water?
Do you have food?
Do you know where you are going?
If medical help is called, the Border Patrol will come.
How many more are left behind?
Do they need medical help?
Is that why they are behind?
It is a very long way to walk.
It is ten kilometers to water, if you can find it.
It is very far away.
You can not carry enough water to finish the journey.

The deaths in the desert (279 last year) are a predictable result of current laws and policies. Our laws and policies are unjust and need to be fixed. The current system offers people a golden carrot - if they can run the gauntlet. Mexico's laws and policies are also unjust and need to be fixed but I don't get a say in Mexican politics but I do get a say here so I vote and I marched.

That's the risk they take. Want in the country, there are legal methods available. Sucks to be them but the USA is not a solution to Mexican problems. Send the illegal Mexicans back to Mexico and let them sort out their own damn problems.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Feldenak
If they're here illegally...pack'em up and ship'em out.

<-- 2nd generation citizen, so it's not like my family has been here for ages.

<---1st gen.


Go ahead and do that, and watch the country grind to a halt.

This country survived just fine without bloodsucking illegals. Want in the country? There are legal channels for that.

Vampires??? Without Green Cards??? There oughta be a law!!!

There is a law...there's a reason they're called "illegals".

So change the law - make them legal - problem solved.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: sm8000
What is your problem with illegals wanting to become legal?

Ummm...how about because it is an affront to the millions of people that spent untold amounts of time, energy, and money to get here legally?

 

[kalster]

there were a ton of people in downtown sacramento as well,

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: sm8000
What is your problem with illegals wanting to become legal?

Ummm...how about because it is an affront to the millions of people that spent untold amounts of time, energy, and money to get here legally?

They want to spend the time, energy, and money. They want to go through the process.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster


During the course of the day I probably saw at most 50-75 flags from el salvador, dominican republic, etc, but their presence was overwhelmingly muted by the tens of thosands of American flags that made up a sea of red white and blue.

And the ONLY reason why you saw that is because the demonstrators from last week took a shelacking in the press about bearing non-US flags. The illegals played it smart today by hoisting the US flag. But don't let that fool you, it was a political ploy, nothing more.

And while I admire the turnouts, the fact remains that 2/3s of this country want some form of tighter security and a vast majority want current illegals kicked out. Those are the only numbers I care about.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Feldenak
If they're here illegally...pack'em up and ship'em out.

<-- 2nd generation citizen, so it's not like my family has been here for ages.

<---1st gen.


Go ahead and do that, and watch the country grind to a halt.

This country survived just fine without bloodsucking illegals. Want in the country? There are legal channels for that.

Vampires??? Without Green Cards??? There oughta be a law!!!

There is a law...there's a reason they're called "illegals".

So change the law - make them legal - problem solved.

Great way to start off in a new country. They couldn't respect the law enough when entering the country, what makes you think they'll respect it after. Pack'em up and ship'em out.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Feldenak
If they're here illegally...pack'em up and ship'em out.

<-- 2nd generation citizen, so it's not like my family has been here for ages.

<---1st gen.


Go ahead and do that, and watch the country grind to a halt.

This country survived just fine without bloodsucking illegals. Want in the country? There are legal channels for that.

Vampires??? Without Green Cards??? There oughta be a law!!!

There is a law...there's a reason they're called "illegals".

So change the law - make them legal - problem solved.

That was already done back in the 80s. All it did was encourage more people to come into the country illegally in the hopes of another case of amnesty. If we give in again, even greater numbers of illegals will pour into the country hoping for the next round of amnesty.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Smackem
bloodsucking? What 'blood' are they sucking? They are doing jobs that americans won't or don't want to do

Americans will be more than willing to do these jobs....just not at the payscale that employers can get illegal immigrants to do them.

My step-dad, a salvadorean immigrant who has now become a us citizen, can't find almost anyone looking to work for what he is offering, whic his more than fair.

The market is is demanding cheap labor. How exactly should we convince our customers that they need to pay more when the work is just as good now?

We've had many long-time employees and we can't afford them anymore. We've lsot so many bids due to underbidding.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: sm8000
What is your problem with illegals wanting to become legal?

Ummm...how about because it is an affront to the millions of people that spent untold amounts of time, energy, and money to get here legally?

They want to spend the time, energy, and money. They want to go through the process.

Then why are they here illegally now instead of back in their home country applying to get in the United States?

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Feldenak
If they're here illegally...pack'em up and ship'em out.

<-- 2nd generation citizen, so it's not like my family has been here for ages.

<---1st gen.


Go ahead and do that, and watch the country grind to a halt.

This country survived just fine without bloodsucking illegals. Want in the country? There are legal channels for that.

Vampires??? Without Green Cards??? There oughta be a law!!!

There is a law...there's a reason they're called "illegals".

So change the law - make them legal - problem solved.

That was already done back in the 80s. All it did was encourage more people to come into the country illegally in the hopes of another case of amnesty. If we give in again, even greater numbers of illegals will pour into the country hoping for the next round of amnesty.

I too disagree with total amnesty.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Goosemaster


During the course of the day I probably saw at most 50-75 flags from el salvador, dominican republic, etc, but their presence was overwhelmingly muted by the tens of thosands of American flags that made up a sea of red white and blue.

And the ONLY reason why you saw that is because the demonstrators from last week took a shelacking in the press about bearing non-US flags. The illegals played it smart today by hoisting the US flag. But don't let that fool you, it was a political ploy, nothing more.

And while I admire the turnouts, the fact remains that 2/3s of this country want some form of tighter security and a vast majority want current illegals kicked out. Those are the only numbers I care about.

I understand that, and like I said, more than anything, I was jsut proud to have been part of a demonstration, something I ahve never done before in my life.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Feldenak
If they're here illegally...pack'em up and ship'em out.

<-- 2nd generation citizen, so it's not like my family has been here for ages.

<---1st gen.


Go ahead and do that, and watch the country grind to a halt.

This country survived just fine without bloodsucking illegals. Want in the country? There are legal channels for that.

Vampires??? Without Green Cards??? There oughta be a law!!!

There is a law...there's a reason they're called "illegals".

So change the law - make them legal - problem solved.

That was already done back in the 80s. All it did was encourage more people to come into the country illegally in the hopes of another case of amnesty. If we give in again, even greater numbers of illegals will pour into the country hoping for the next round of amnesty.

I too disagree with total amnesty.

Well maybe we have an amnesty now and then totally lock up the border?

One real big problem I have with a lot of illegal immigrants is that they don't bother to learn English.

We had maids from El Salvador and I couldn't even converse with them at all. Getting to know people is a big part of creating a functioning society.

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: sm8000

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: sm8000
What is your problem with illegals wanting to become legal?

Ummm...how about because it is an affront to the millions of people that spent untold amounts of time, energy, and money to get here legally?

They want to spend the time, energy, and money. They want to go through the process.

Then why are they here illegally now instead of back in their home country applying to get in the United States?

They each have their stories. Go ask them.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

That's the risk they take. Want in the country, there are legal methods available. Sucks to be them but the USA is not a solution to Mexican problems. Send the illegal Mexicans back to Mexico and let them sort out their own damn problems.

Put up or shut. Provide links to a legal method for poor Mexicans without relatives who are U.S. citizens to get immigration visas. Folks don't risk death because they can't be bothered to fill out a form or two. They risk death as it is the only way to get the prize - a job with a decent wage. Congress shut down legal immigration for poor Mexicans without American relatives decades ago. There is a quota system based on country of origin. There is also a preference system which gives preference to relatives of U.S. citizens followed by highly educated or highly skilled workers. The quota for Mexico is exhausted before the non-relatives, non-highly educated/skilled get a shot.