Just curious if any of the resident climate change guys eat beef

jackstar7

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OverVolt

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I'm rather certain that climate change folks would like to see regulations strengthened against ranchers and farmers to mitigate some of these effects.

I know you're just trying to call people hypocrites, but did you stop for a second to think about why you're doing it? And what you look like when you do it?

Hmm? Beef is one of the most energy intensive animal proteins we eat, but its also really popular. Its intensive on water too. How would regulations make the raising of beef more efficient?

You can't legislate them to stop farting methane. And I doubt housing an entire stock of cattle indoors and filtering the air is energy efficient. What are these regulations you speak of that if only we'd put pen to paper magically beef is not as energy and water intensive as it is?
 

nageov3t

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maybe twice/year, I'll have a nice steak... but it's not something I eat regularly (I mostly eat chicken, turkey, and fish/shellfish)
 

cbrunny

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The thing about this thread is that people need to eat.

People don't need to not carpool. People don't need to have coal burning power plants. People don't need to applaud China and India for extreme pollution. People don't need to buy massive pickup trucks to take their kids to soccer practice. People don't need 2 refrigerators in their home. People don't need to use incandescent lightbulbs. People don't need to burn garbage.

etc.
 

jackstar7

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Hmm? Beef is one of the most energy intensive animal proteins we eat, but its also really popular. Its intensive on water too. How would regulations make the raising of beef more efficient?

You can't legislate them to stop farting methane. And I doubt housing an entire stock of cattle indoors and filtering the air is energy efficient. What are these regulations you speak of that if only we'd put pen to paper magically beef is not as energy and water intensive as it is?

My concerns are less about climate change and just about pollution, so I can't really address your questions. I feel that's reasonable as you avoided mine.

I'd certainly like to see more protection of water though. And that can come through enforcement of existing regulations as well as new tougher regulations to stop runoff and other ecological nightmares.

I'd also like to see some market forces affect air quality though. It'd be nice to see fewer kids growing up with asthma.
 

OverVolt

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http://www.theguardian.com/environm...p-beef-reduce-carbon-footprint-more-than-cars

The heavy impact on the environment of meat production was known but the research shows a new scale and scope of damage, particularly for beef. The popular red meat requires 28 times more land to produce than pork or chicken, 11 times more water and results in five times more climate-warming emissions. When compared to staples like potatoes, wheat, and rice, the impact of beef per calorie is even more extreme, requiring 160 times more land and producing 11 times more greenhouse gases.

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bshole

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I do eat beef, BUT for every burger I chow I plant a tree on my property up north. I am carbon neutral baby!!!
 

fskimospy

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Hmm? Beef is one of the most energy intensive animal proteins we eat, but its also really popular. Its intensive on water too. How would regulations make the raising of beef more efficient?

You can't legislate them to stop farting methane. And I doubt housing an entire stock of cattle indoors and filtering the air is energy efficient. What are these regulations you speak of that if only we'd put pen to paper magically beef is not as energy and water intensive as it is?

Carbon/greenhouse emissions tax.

Easy peasy.
 

BonzaiDuck

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I had always been more than moderate in my beef consumption.

The news about the 1% risk increase for cancer from beef consumption (from 6% to 7%) and the acquisition of my new stainless tabletop grille has led me toward "suicide-by-beef."

And I'm going to have a hamburger for breakfast today.

Methane is particularly potent as a greenhouse gas. It would be nice to attenuate the emissions from dairy-farms and cattle-yards.

But I think the greater worry might be the methane seeps in the Arctic -- Siberia, Alaska, Canada. Worse than that, Methane-Hydrate. There are tons of it in a frozen slush at the bottom of some ocean regions.

If temperatures rise enough from the CO2 warming, there's the risk that some of these sources of methane will "burp" and cause an even worse climate-change problem. But even an earthquake or underwater volcanic activity could cause it to happen.
 

OverVolt

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What is the point of this thread? Other than trolling, of course.

I guess because nobody is thinking anymore. The beef issue I think drives home the point that things are the way they are for a reason.

People need to eat just like people need cheap transportation to their jobs to put food on the table in the first place.

You guys are inclined to like tech solutions like electric cars and such but that is only the fun side of the equation.
 

OverVolt

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Carbon/greenhouse emissions tax.

Easy peasy.

So beef becomes $20/lb

Then what about stuff like this?

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/12/05/vegetarian-diets-may-hike-mental-health-risks-report.html

The trend of vegetarianism— along with the perceived health and social pitfalls attached to meat eating—may have a side effect: emotional and mental problems. In a new article, Women's Health reports that indulging meatless diets, while having undeniable health virtues, may also come with risks that include depression, panic and obsessive compulsive behavior.

The publication cited anecdotes along with Australian and German studies showing that people who consumed plant-based diets were more prone to depression, panic attacks and anxiety. Doctors who spoke to Women's Health acknowledged the link between a lack of animal proteins and a rise in emotional problems.

Women's Health cited the experience of a Columbia University psychiatrist who treated a physically active 35-year-old woman who's energy had "flatlined" and was suffering panic attacks after embracing vegetarianism. After adding meat back into her diet, the woman's energy rebounded and she saw her instances of emotional breakdowns plummet.

The nutritional value of eating meat has always been controversial, but the debate has taken on a new veneer in recent years. Consumption of beef, pork and chicken continues to grow—more than 170 million tons of beef and pork are produced annually around the world, according to the USDA.
 

fskimospy

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So beef becomes $20/lb

Beef becomes whatever the actual price it is when accounting for all the costs involved in its production. I'm not a fan of agricultural subsidies.


I look at food studies with a highly, highly skeptical eye. How many times have you heard 'X is good/bad for you!'? It would definitely need to be a more robust finding than that to base policy on.
 

JSt0rm

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I guess because nobody is thinking anymore. The beef issue I think drives home the point that things are the way they are for a reason.

People need to eat just like people need cheap transportation to their jobs to put food on the table in the first place.

You guys are inclined to like tech solutions like electric cars and such but that is only the fun side of the equation.


Do you have children?
 

BonzaiDuck

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I'm just repeating what I wrote on another thread in this forum.

Climate-change denial seems rooted in the notion that (a) it could only occur in some cataclysmic short-run change, (b) a distrust of consensus in the scientific community, and (c) the inclination to discount it because it implies a change in global lifestyle.

Those on both sides of the issue have more to worry about than climate-change:

http://www.amazon.com/Out-Gas-The-Norton-Paperback/dp/0393326470

Meanwhile, conservative denier pundits are touting "400 years of fossil fuel remaining," but they're talking about coal.

We need to make fossil fuel (oil, particularly) obsolete. And the physicists who agree with Goodstein all agree that it's a tall order. If it were even possible to replace the energy content of oil with something else, it should require some global cooperative research effort -- something as urgent as the Manhatten Project or the space program.

Maybe we're making progress, but it seems too little. Tell me how you'll push a 90,000 lb. semi-truck load down the highway without diesel fuel.
 

JSt0rm

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i dont even know why you try to engage some of these people. They are beyond help.
 
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