Just curious if any of the resident climate change guys eat beef

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cbrunny

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I guess because nobody is thinking anymore. The beef issue I think drives home the point that things are the way they are for a reason.

People need to eat just like people need cheap transportation to their jobs to put food on the table in the first place.

And that's how I know you're a dumb shit troll.

People don't need to not carpool. People don't need to have coal burning power plants. People don't need to applaud China and India for extreme pollution. People don't need to buy massive pickup trucks to take their kids to soccer practice. People don't need 2 refrigerators in their home. People don't need to use incandescent lightbulbs. People don't need to burn garbage.

People don't need to live far away from their jobs.
 

CZroe

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I'm fairly certain that when you want to research ANYTHING you get more grants and research dollars when you tie it into something everyone is concerned about, like AGW. Don't say you want to spend it studying the mating habits of gibbons in Madagascar... say that you want to study the effects of CHANGING CLIMATE on the mating habits of gibbons in Madagascar!

Now, if you have an agenda like, say, a fiercely anti-meat vegan who wants to stop everyone from eating meat might, you might be inclined to tie your concern in with theirs. Who cares about peer review? This stuff's going to spread in the media then bounce around on Facebook and in Internet forums for years! Vegans and vegetarians will never shut up about it even if it turns out to be untrue (kinda like anti-vaxers).
 
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buckshot24

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I'm just repeating what I wrote on another thread in this forum.

Climate-change denial seems rooted in the notion that (a) it could only occur in some cataclysmic short-run change, (b) a distrust of consensus in the scientific community, and (c) the inclination to discount it because it implies a change in global lifestyle.
There are people out there who think the climate never changes? Pray tell, who are these people?
 

Subyman

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I absolutely eat beef. That has nothing to do with looking at data and forming a well supported opinion on the Earth's climate. I also drive a truck.
 

buckshot24

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And that's how I know you're a dumb shit troll.

People don't need to not carpool. People don't need to have coal burning power plants. People don't need to applaud China and India for extreme pollution. People don't need to buy massive pickup trucks to take their kids to soccer practice. People don't need 2 refrigerators in their home. People don't need to use incandescent lightbulbs. People don't need to burn garbage.

People don't need to live far away from their jobs.
People don't need to eat beef either.
 

zinfamous

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Beef is tasty.

that being said, there is climate change and science, and then there are illiterate cavepeople that ignore reality. Rather than join the rest of humanity and work to solve real issues, some prefer to pound sand and groom their kin for lice.
 

buckshot24

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I absolutely eat beef. That has nothing to do with looking at data and forming a well supported opinion on the Earth's climate. I also drive a truck.
So you look at it and are convinced it is man caused but won't do a thing in your personal life to help save the planet?
 

buckshot24

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Beef is tasty.

that being said, there is climate change and science, and then there are illiterate cavepeople that ignore reality. Rather than join the rest of humanity and work to solve real issues, some prefer to pound sand and groom their kin for lice.
Show some leadership, quit eating beef. If true believers can't do anything to "stop" climate change why do you think anybody else should?
 

Ackmed

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I absolutely eat beef. That has nothing to do with looking at data and forming a well supported opinion on the Earth's climate. I also drive a truck.

I eat some form of beef at least twice a week. Couldn't imagine not doing so for life. Although I have done it against my own will a few times for a long duration. And my DD gets about 6-8 mpg, depending.
 

fskimospy

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It's a silly thing to do anyway. Climate change is not meaningfully affected by your personal choices, so choosing to eat meat or not for climate change reasons is a useless gesture.

Eating meat now while supporting carbon/methane regulations that reduce its impact are two perfectly compatible stances to take.
 

Subyman

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I eat some form of beef at least twice a week. Couldn't imagine not doing so for life. Although I have done it against my own will a few times for a long duration. And my DD gets about 6-8 mpg, depending.

I maybe eat it once a week or so. I shy away mostly for health reasons, not at all about climate. You tow a lot? My truck gets around 17MPG average.
 

zinfamous

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I'm fairly certain that when you want to research ANYTHING you get more grants and research dollars when you tie it into something everyone is concerned about, like AGW. Don't say you want to spend it studying the mating habits of gibbons in Madagascar... say that you want to study the effects of CHANGING CLIMATE on the mating habits of gibbons in Madagascar!

Now, if you have an agenda like, say, a fiercely anti-meat vegan who wants to stop everyone from eating meat might, you might be inclined to tie your concern in with theirs. Who cares about peer review? This stuff's going to spread in the media then bounce around on Facebook and in Internet forums for years! Vegans and vegetarians will never shut up about it even if it turns out to be untrue (kinda like anti-vaxers).

Strangely enough, studies like this can draw shitloads of funding. Now, a lot of times you have to make arguments that seem more relevant to things like humans, diseases like cancer or whatnot, to get attention. But it is almost never not-true when doing so, because that is how basic science works. Rather, you would opt to defund Nasa because you'd rather not understand why they would want to build a camp on a volcanic island; just write it off as some expensive camping trip and government waste.

You're pulling from the book of Sarah Palin: "Let's not fund all those folks studying fruit flies in...Paris France!" (from the 2008 election run)

what that little cuntburger doesn't realize is that these models, the tiny drosophila, form the basis of modern genetics--and metric shittons of relevant funding goes in to applicable studies of all sorts of subjects that laymen looking to make an uniformed detractory talking point simply refuse to understand.

Don't do that. It makes you look stupid.

It is not as if climate scientists with government funding have no-one to answer to. They aren't "winning" funding by competing with an agenda. They are funded because they are competing with their own data and, yes, other climate scientists trying to scrape out a piece of that same pie. It is funny that you righteous deniars make any number of unfounded excuses towards the cynicism of how funding works and never come close to understanding it. They compete with each other, so it very much is in their best interest, in a way, to discredit a good number of their colleagues. But that is difficult when the data doesn't square with that agenda. Not only that, it is not as if the government is scrutinizing the validity of the data. That is for the scientific community, which determines relevance outside the scope of funding. the NIH, et al determine funding based on the validity of methods and relevance of the subject.

This argument that "It is in the scientists' best interest to prove global warming because of money" does not reflect reality. Yet, at the same time, every one of you deniers that cries foul over scientific malfeasance for the volumes of valid research scrutinized annually will turn instantly, and completely without fail, to the 1 or 2 studies released by the fucking coal industry that denies every known piece of data. The fucking energy industry that, if nothing else, has every fucking reason to deny everything possible about climate change.

And this never bothers you. Not once.

It would be funny if you guys weren't so maddeningly obstinate and actually managed to put some ignorant hillbillies that slept through 9th grade Chem class in a position to actually wreck necessary progress in science.
 
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Subyman

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It's a silly thing to do anyway. Climate change is not meaningfully affected by your personal choices, so choosing to eat meat or not for climate change reasons is a useless gesture.

Eating meat now while supporting carbon/methane regulations that reduce its impact are two perfectly compatible stances to take.

Exactly. This will not be combated by the individual. It will take policy changes, which I would support. It is one of those things where I'm not going to sacrifice if everyone doesn't have to, because, as you say, my effort will be meaningless. :thumbsup:
 

zinfamous

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Show some leadership, quit eating beef. If true believers can't do anything to "stop" climate change why do you think anybody else should?

We shouldn't have to quit eating beef. We very much can work on eating beef at natural, responsible levels, however. That is the real issue.

Show some leadership. Learn about the issues. stop fighting for empty talking points.
 

buckshot24

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Exactly. This will not be combated by the individual. It will take policy changes, which I would support. It is one of those things where I'm not going to sacrifice if everyone doesn't have to, because, as you say, my effort will be meaningless. :thumbsup:
So if we're going to boil the oceans, at least you'll make a fat corpse while doing it.

You guys don't really believe in this crap is what I'm getting from your total lack of leadership and sacrifice.
 
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