Just curious if any of the resident climate change guys eat beef

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zinfamous

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The food we eat is a problem?

Don't play stupid and get to the point. Growth in human population is the real problem. You try saving the environment while feeding 3 billion more than today. Makes the argument on CO2 look like child's play. Especially since its not PC to admit we need less people.

We can't even discuss it properly, but by all means lets bemoan cow emissions. We... need less cows!

actually, we do need less cows from a purely sustainable population argument like you are suggesting.

feeding our disastrous population growth with beef is impossible. Much of that protein will have to supplemented with GMO crops and quite possibly synthetic meats that can be produced with far less space and resource inputs.
 

zinfamous

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You guys have all the answers but none of the conviction.

and you sit at your computer typing with one hand and using the other to jack your shit all over your keyboard. That appears to be the limit of your conviction.

You present no useful purpose to humanity.
 

zinfamous

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It's nice to see that he can be a pedantic, childish ignoramus on a wide variety of scientific topics that he doesn't understand.

anyone that believe it is a far more reasonable proposition that humans were created from wet dirt rather than emerged as a product of evolution is going to have a few rungs missing on that ladder.
 

werepossum

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It's a silly thing to do anyway. Climate change is not meaningfully affected by your personal choices, so choosing to eat meat or not for climate change reasons is a useless gesture.

Eating meat now while supporting carbon/methane regulations that reduce its impact are two perfectly compatible stances to take.
How extremely fortunate that like all great progressive causes, the solution involves doing whatever you wish while demanding that other people do as you command.

I get all my beef from cows that collect their own methane.

lol +1

Climate change is more like phrenology then.
Lol +1
 

fskimospy

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How extremely fortunate that like all great progressive causes, the solution involves doing whatever you wish while demanding that other people do as you command.

Where on earth did you get such a silly idea? It would be something we all do together and I would be affected the same as anyone else.

Sometimes I wonder how your head gets filled with this kind of nonsense.
 

Moonbeam

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Where on earth did you get such a silly idea? It would be something we all do together and I would be affected the same as anyone else.

Sometimes I wonder how your head gets filled with this kind of nonsense.

I've heard of a creature called the Swill Sucker. I think he might be one. The swill's pretty bad but the thing that kills me is that he seems to want to be taken seriously. He seems to have Progie's Disease, a psychological terror of the fictitious creature that will crawl up the pants of conservatives, seize them by the tentacles, bite, and turn them into whimpering Ballerinas.
 

OverVolt

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I've heard of a creature called the Swill Sucker. I think he might be one. The swill's pretty bad but the thing that kills me is that he seems to want to be taken seriously. He seems to have Progie's Disease, a psychological terror of the fictitious creature that will crawl up the pants of conservatives, seize them by the tentacles, bite, and turn them into whimpering Ballerinas.

You could be the next Dr. Suess that was amazing.
 

buckshot24

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and you sit at your computer typing with one hand and using the other to jack your shit all over your keyboard. That appears to be the limit of your conviction.

You present no useful purpose to humanity.
Maybe so, but you're still a hypocrite not willing to do your part to "save the planet".
 

buckshot24

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anyone that believe it is a far more reasonable proposition that humans were created from wet dirt rather than emerged as a product of evolution is going to have a few rungs missing on that ladder.
Then how do complex biological machines get built? The proposal that genetic copying errors build up over millions of years is ridiculous and completely lacking any evidence to support it.
 

buckshot24

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actually, we do need less cows from a purely sustainable population argument like you are suggesting.

feeding our disastrous population growth with beef is impossible. Much of that protein will have to supplemented with GMO crops and quite possibly synthetic meats that can be produced with far less space and resource inputs.



Yummy
 

simpletron

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Curious to where they are getting their numbers. Google shows 100 calories of broccoli gives 8g of protein and steak has 14g. Just fact checking random forum posts here. D:

I don't know where the image is getting it information. But the USDA has a searchable database for Nutrient Data located here http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/

294g of Broccoli, raw has 8.29g of protein and 100 kcal. Raw has more protein than cooked.
http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/s...5=1&Q5396=1&Q5397=1&Q5398=1&Q5399=3.5&Q5400=1

37g of 80/20 cooked ground beef has 9.53g of protein and 100 kcal. Fat content has a big impact on the amount of protein per kcal. I picked 80/20 ground beef because it is probably pretty close the average fat content for "beef" in the image.
http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/s...&measureby=&_action_show=Apply+Changes&Qv=.37

Two things not shown by that image is that 37g of beef is the size of half a deck of cards, whereas 294g of Broccoli is 3.5 cups of chopped Broccoli. One is much easy to eat than the other. Additionally not all protein is the same, animal protein tends to be more complete in terms of amino acids than plant protein. As result to get the same amount of all the amino acids you would need to eat half a gallon of Broccoli to match 37g of beef.
 

highland145

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This all sounds like Buffet saying the rich need to pay more taxes but they won't write a check until they're forced to.
 
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buckshot24

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I don't know where the image is getting it information. But the USDA has a searchable database for Nutrient Data located here http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/

294g of Broccoli, raw has 8.29g of protein and 100 kcal. Raw has more protein than cooked.
http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/s...5=1&Q5396=1&Q5397=1&Q5398=1&Q5399=3.5&Q5400=1

37g of 80/20 cooked ground beef has 9.53g of protein and 100 kcal. Fat content has a big impact on the amount of protein per kcal. I picked 80/20 ground beef because it is probably pretty close the average fat content for "beef" in the image.
http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/s...&measureby=&_action_show=Apply+Changes&Qv=.37

Two things not shown by that image is that 37g of beef is the size of half a deck of cards, whereas 294g of Broccoli is 3.5 cups of chopped Broccoli. One is much easy to eat than the other. Additionally not all protein is the same, animal protein tends to be more complete in terms of amino acids than plant protein. As result to get the same amount of all the amino acids you would need to eat half a gallon of Broccoli to match 37g of beef.
Well, there goes the planet. The true believers will never give up their beef now.
 

Strk

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I do, but not every week. Beef is one of the least efficient sources of protein.
 

Subyman

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But I'm acting in accordance to my beliefs, you're acting like a hypocrite.

I'd explain how this isn't a case of being a hypocrite, but it isn't worth it.

I will, however, say that being a hypocrite doesn't change the science.
 
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