Just curious if any of the resident climate change guys eat beef

[master_shake_]

you guys ....

everyone worried about climate change.

i bet we get a zombie apocalypse before any climate cataclysm.

also.

does the cow even care about the tube in its ass?

 

[unokitty]

Submerged Countries. Abandoned Cities. Fields That No Longer Grow

All because carnivores won't give up their Big Macs...

Uno

 

[Paratus]

We have beef for dinner once or twice a week.

We also own a 4cyl 6speed sedan and a Chevy Suburban
Thanks to the federal govt our new 2015 model gets 30% mileage than our 2004 model.

We also chose to live close to work and car pool when we could. Thanks to the state government that's not really possible anymore since they dropped bussing for kids with 2 miles of the elementary school and morning pickups for middle school kids like my son who go to a magnate school.

So we save tax money by not bussing kids and instead have 600 parents show up to the elementary school twice a day to drop off and pick up the kids. Without bussing my wife and I have to leave at separate times in both vehicles.

 

[WackyDan]

So... How does the current Beef cattle and dairy cattle herd compare to the Millions upon millions of Buffalo and Bison that were all over the place back in the 1800's until we nearly wiped them out?

What about the vast Elk herds that used to be in the east? They are gone except for some efforts to reestablish them in the Smokies.

Net even? Higher? Under?

 

[Moonbeam]

I have a new gas oven I installed in the house I rebuilt and it has a 22K BTU burner. Today I found my lodge 12 cast iron skillet. Last week I watched a bunch of videos on how to cook a perfect steak, not that different from what I have done for years, but every chef seems to vary a bit in their recommendations. Some finish off, say with a bit of butter, but others say it burns. Some say get to room temp and others say straight from the fridge. Sous Vide is another interesting way to supposedly achieve perfection.

Eventually, we will probably be eating protein from insects as you can farm them in mile high buildings. Wish I had learned to eat bugs as a child. All my ancient ancestors did.

 

[werepossum]

Where on earth did you get such a silly idea? It would be something we all do together and I would be affected the same as anyone else.

Sometimes I wonder how your head gets filled with this kind of nonsense.

You can claim to be leading from behind, but I award you no points for advocating that government use its armed might to make everyone do what you won't do willingly.

I've heard of a creature called the Swill Sucker. I think he might be one. The swill's pretty bad but the thing that kills me is that he seems to want to be taken seriously. He seems to have Progie's Disease, a psychological terror of the fictitious creature that will crawl up the pants of conservatives, seize them by the tentacles, bite, and turn them into whimpering Ballerinas.

Whatever your drug of choice, you need to take either more of it or less of it, I can't quite figure out which.

No terror here. As long as proggies are forced to operate in the open and we don't pretend they aren't doing what they are doing, they are amusingly ineffective.

you guys ....

everyone worried about climate change.

i bet we get a zombie apocalypse before any climate cataclysm.

also.

does the cow even care about the tube in its ass?

Nope. Zombies are quite specific. We are already living in the climate apocalypse because literally every single bad thing that happens is a result of climate change. Including zombies. Literally.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astr...president_marshall_shepherd_talks_global.html
http://climate.nasa.gov/blog/1059
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...bie-movies-climate-change-no-one-happy-ending
http://grist.org/science/get-me-off-this-planet-because-we-have-climate-change-zombies-now/
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2010/09/10/206709/climate-zombies-gop-global-warming-deniers/
http://www.rawstory.com/2014/10/700...limate-change-could-unleash-ancient-diseases/

You literally could not make up this shit.

 

[zinfamous]

Then how do complex biological machines get built? The proposal that genetic copying errors build up over millions of years is ridiculous and completely lacking any evidence to support it.

Oh I get it.

you really are just a troll.

completely lacking in evidence?

what an idiot.

 

[momeNt]

What is the optimal number of humans on the planet to be able to enjoy energy and meat?

I think we should target that number, we have the defense budget to achieve optimum population, but we are not involved in the proper wars to achieve the right population reduction.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Oh I get it.

you really are just a troll.

completely lacking in evidence?

what an idiot.

watch yourself, or you could end up on

The List™

 

[werepossum]

What is the optimal number of humans on the planet to be able to enjoy energy and meat?

I think we should target that number, we have the defense budget to achieve optimum population, but we are not involved in the proper wars to achieve the right population reduction.

Thirteen. Unfortunately for you, I'm the only male.

 

[buckshot24]

completely lacking in evidence?

Absolutely.

 

[ctbaars]

Carbon/greenhouse emissions tax.

Easy peasy.

Don't make guns.
Easy peasy.

Love one another.
Easy peasy.

Always put the toilet seat down.
Easy peasy.

I think that's the worst post I've ever seen from you. Your first post in a thread is usually insightful and complete. This was just plain lazy and very unhelpful.

 

[buckshot24]

What is the optimal number of humans on the planet to be able to enjoy energy and meat?

I think we should target that number, we have the defense budget to achieve optimum population, but we are not involved in the proper wars to achieve the right population reduction.

If the climate scare guys are right then we'll hit equilibrium soon enough.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I have a new gas oven I installed in the house I rebuilt and it has a 22K BTU burner. Today I found my lodge 12 cast iron skillet. Last week I watched a bunch of videos on how to cook a perfect steak, not that different from what I have done for years, but every chef seems to vary a bit in their recommendations. Some finish off, say with a bit of butter, but others say it burns. Some say get to room temp and others say straight from the fridge. Sous Vide is another interesting way to supposedly achieve perfection.

Eventually, we will probably be eating protein from insects as you can farm them in mile high buildings. Wish I had learned to eat bugs as a child. All my ancient ancestors did.

You should've enlisted in the Green Berets or the Rangers.

There's a marvelous recipe I'd found in the Washington Post during the late '80s for sautéing Cicada flies (when they come out of their 17 year (whatever) sleep . . . a little garlic, some salt, some olive oil. The Chinese prepare cockroaches this way.

But since we're contributing to various extinctions and a decline in bio-diversity, perhaps the future will be more like it was in a Charleton Heston sci-fi movie:

"Soylent Green is PEOPLE!"

 

[ctbaars]

Sorry. I think, "Always put the toilet seat down." stepped over a line

 

[WHAMPOM]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/tackling-taboo-climate-activists-tender-approach-meat-155844316.html

And just how does this compare to an estimate of emmissions in wild herd animals from one thousand, five thousand and twenty thousand years ago?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Sorry. I think, "Always put the toilet seat down." stepped over a line

Did you see the South Park episode about the "TSA"? Toilet Safety Administration? Gotta buckle up! I feel a massive-gassive, lumpy-dumpy poopy-doopy shitty-gritty comin' on . . . . Got the phone number for USGS handy, in case I need to tip them about "a new landmark."

 

[Moonbeam]

Whatever your drug of choice, you need to take either more of it or less of it, I can't quite figure out which.

No terror here. As long as proggies are forced to operate in the open and we don't pretend they aren't doing what they are doing, they are amusingly ineffective.

I think swill suckers are a kind of zombie. Perhaps a 400,000 year proto human thawing in Alaska is the origin of the virus that causes CBDs to manifest their 400,000 year old IQ. And there isn't a doubt in my mind that you don't fear being a Homo erectus in a pink tutu. What fear can one have in a stupor.

 

[CZroe]

And just how does this compare to an estimate of emmissions in wild herd animals from one thousand, five thousand and twenty thousand years ago?

Exactly. Just how many buffalo used to roam naturally? How many TRILLIONS of Passenger Pigeons did we used to have?

 

[Jaskalas]

The food we eat is a problem?

Don't play stupid and get to the point. Growth in human population is the real problem. You try saving the environment while feeding 3 billion more than today. Makes the argument on CO2 look like child's play. Especially since its not PC to admit we need less people.

We can't even discuss it properly, but by all means lets bemoan cow emissions. We... need less cows!

Pumped beyond limits, many U.S. aquifers in decline
Case in point.

You're not simply going to replenish fresh water at a faster rate. You're simply going to watch refugees migrate and/or people die.

 

[Ken g6]

So... How does the current Beef cattle and dairy cattle herd compare to the Millions upon millions of Buffalo and Bison that were all over the place back in the 1800's until we nearly wiped them out?

What about the vast Elk herds that used to be in the east? They are gone except for some efforts to reestablish them in the Smokies.

Net even? Higher? Under?

That's a good question. I've heard that the corn we feed cattle is a major part of the problem. It makes them produce a lot more methane than if they ate grass.

 

[Exophase]

So... How does the current Beef cattle and dairy cattle herd compare to the Millions upon millions of Buffalo and Bison that were all over the place back in the 1800's until we nearly wiped them out?

What about the vast Elk herds that used to be in the east? They are gone except for some efforts to reestablish them in the Smokies.

Net even? Higher? Under?

According to this, up to 60 million bison:

http://www.canyoncountryzephyr.com/oldzephyr/archives/buffalo.html

And around 98.4 million cattle in the USA today:

https://www.quora.com/Cows/How-many-cows-are-there-in-the-US

This article also assesses something along the lines of what you're saying:

http://www.shapingtomorrowsworld.org/wahlquistmethane.html

"The great bison herds that swarmed across the US prairies before white settlement, along with other native ruminants like elk and deer, are estimated to have produced 86 per cent of the methane of the current US cattle herd.

When modern day ruminants, cattle and sheep, are removed other ruminants usually move in. When the Maasai tribes and their cattle herds were removed from the Serengeti, to create a national park the native ruminants—buffalo, wildebeest, gazelles and giraffe—replaced them. They bred up and created their own methane."

I will note that even if the native bison produced a comparable amount of methane that doesn't necessarily mean that it was harmless then, or would be harmless now in conjunction with other emissions.

 

[CZroe]

I will note that even if the native bison produced a comparable amount of methane that doesn't necessarily mean that it was harmless then, or would be harmless now in conjunction with other emissions.

...except that "harm" is measured by how much artificial deviation there is from the natural state. Anything the wild herds did without our involvement would have been natural and, thus, not technically "harmful" in the context of mankind's artificial impact on the environment.

If change is natural and we aren't causing it, that's one thing. If it is not natural and we are causing it, that is something else.

No, the response does not "need to be the same either way." It needs to be CONSIDERED for future planning either way, but you don't throw your economy into ruins to hit the brakes to combat a natural process if it is happening either way.

 

[ctbaars]

We are natural.
Our impact is excessive.
I sure hope there are people way smarter than us working on this.

 

[CZroe]

We are natural.
Our impact is excessive.
I sure hope there are people way smarter than us working on this.

Of course we are natural but by definition our impact is considered artificial. The point is: how much of natural climate change is caused by man? The methane alternately produced by millions of buffalo and deer and such had we not drastically changed the environment and substituted with domesticated cattle is the baseline to determine how much "harm" we caused.

The baseline is the baseline. They are animals with instincts that are part of the environment that we seek to preserve and their natural impact can't be considered "harmful" in that context. They can't choose not to do what they do.