Just for laughs A.K.A. complete cooling overkill

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john3850

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this one?



Thats the same heatsink that came with my early c2d.
Do its size and cooper base I have used it to run off 6 different c2d,920,930,i5k and a 3770k to 4000-4100mhz before mounting water blocks.
 

jaqie

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but realistically how often do you run older PCs under heavy load for multiple hours? at some point it's simply not going to make much sense to use the hardware as much as you use newer hardware, and the old hardware is going to suffer less load, run for less time at a high temp.
I'm replying to this post via an ibm x41 tablet PC I got just recently, 1.5ghz pentium M. The CPU is at 50% or more use almost constantly (partly because I play music through winamp with lots of plugins and use breakaway audio enhancer, a very powerful dsp program which makes cheap sound cards output near audiophile grade audio)... The older the system the more it will be hardlined at 100% cpu use, so I really don't understand how you see what I quoted above...
but anyway, I'm more careful when it comes to graphics cards, because I had quite a few VGAs failing over the years, even if the GPU can probably work fine at 80-90ºc I will try to keep it under 70 when I can, and to have additional cooling for my old Voodoos and such :biggrin:
my dual v2 has no cooling on the cards, but my v5 5500 has original heatsink fans which have been cleaned and graphited for better rpm. All my newer cards are specifically bought with proper cooling at the forefront of my mind. The last card I bought without proper cooling was a gts250 by bfg, and I fixed the cooling thusly:





I consider CPUs to be probably the most durable parts of any PC, so that's why I'm not to worried, anyway, it's nice to keep the CPU cooler when possible, it normally gives you also slightly lower power usage and such, taking good care of the parts is certainly not the "wrong" thing to do, but I still don't see 70-80 as "critical".
We definitely have different viewpoints here, again probably because I want my systems to still be around until Im gone at least.
as for your health problems, I'm sorry to hear that
Meh it was somewhat germane to the conversation. thanks, but it's a nonissue to me.
 

canadiantrex

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Fired up CPUID Hardware Monitor on my desktop with the water cooled FX-8320.

It has a CPU temp value, a Mainboard temp value, then in a separate tree, under "AMD FX-8320" it has a "Package" temp value.

The minimum value for CPU and Mainboard are 35*C and 31*C respectively. The minimum value for the "AMD FX-8320 Package" value is 14*C. I assure you, I do not live in a refrigerator.

So wtf does this mean? :awe:
 

jaqie

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IIRC the newer amd cpus use a temperature delta value, you would have to look up the delta for your particular cpu and set the monitoring utility to compensate.

CoreTemp might have it preprogrammed in, I'm not sure.
 

Yuriman

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Some fun pics:

HD3850, back in 2008


X700pro - that was a stock AMD heatsink too that I fanned out
 

SPBHM

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Thats the same heatsink that came with my early c2d.
Do its size and cooper base I have used it to run off 6 different c2d,920,930,i5k and a 3770k to 4000-4100mhz before mounting water blocks.

yes it could definitely handle CPUs with much higher TDP than the lower C2Ds models, that's why I thought it would fit in this topic as an "overkill" cooler from Intel (e6300)

I'm replying to this post via an ibm x41 tablet PC I got just recently, 1.5ghz pentium M. The CPU is at 50% or more use almost constantly (partly because I play music through winamp with lots of plugins and use breakaway audio enhancer, a very powerful dsp program which makes cheap sound cards output near audiophile grade audio)... The older the system the more it will be hardlined at 100% cpu use, so I really don't understand how you see what I quoted above...

the temps I mentioned were more like "worst case scenario", running burn tests, it's hardly the thing you would get with 50% load or even higher with most stuff, the older the hardware gets it's true that basic tasks can become more taxing, but I still doubt it would make any sense to run something close to "worst case" with it, like rendering, and your Dothan is still quite usable I'm sure, but is it what? 9 years old? even running in a laptop with relatively high temps, it's probably fine for still many years to come, it's more likely to have other parts failing like the LCD, HD or keyboard,

my dual v2 has no cooling on the cards, but my v5 5500 has original heatsink fans which have been cleaned and graphited for better rpm. All my newer cards are specifically bought with proper cooling at the forefront of my mind. The last card I bought without proper cooling was a gts250 by bfg, and I fixed the cooling thusly:

my v2s run extremely hot, I always keep a fan near them, actually one will tend to have some graphical corruption after a while without any additional cooling, the other card is not working perfectly anyway (lockups without obvious relation to temperature)...
back in the day you could buy this:


my V4 4500 I think uses the same cooler as the V5 (I had one but unfortunately sold some 10 years ago), and it's also not so great, the heatsink is tiny can get extremely hot, even more when I'm overclocking the card.

most cards I have with less than optimal cooling normally just need some higher rotation fan to perform adequately, the last VGA cooler I bought was in... 2003

We definitely have different viewpoints here, again probably because I want my systems to still be around until Im gone at least.

Meh it was somewhat germane to the conversation. thanks, but it's a nonissue to me.


It's OK but I don't want my parts to only last for a short period, it's just that I really think those extreme usage cases at 80º are not really a problem for a long, long time.



Some fun pics:

HD3850, back in 2008

I also had this model of 3850, the single slot cooler main problem was the default low speed fan, as long as you upped manually it was fine, but if you want lower noise it can be a problem, my current card is basically the same case... if you look at the GTX Titan the target temperature is 80 ºc, and the card will adjust the fan rotation for that,

but that's one huge heatsink.
 

aigomorla

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PISH... wanna talk about overkill?

When i was messing with extreme cooling:

This made the coolit boras look a rainbow princess pony toy.




What was used to cool the hotside on that beast?
IT was roughly 700W of heat being dump'd on the hot side...

Simple... 2 x 480 feser pure copper radiators.



Extreme cooling? HA... only IDC can probably come close to me with his old vapo phase unit.
 

blckgrffn

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To the OP - awesome! :thumbsup: and thanks for sharing

Sorry, I in no way meant to imply that women can't be just as technically minded (and talented) as men. Simply that non-technically minded partners (male or female) care less about how we've overclocked it, and worry more about if we've broken it again this time

HA! So true. My family has finally gotten over this after ~10 years or so and now explicitly trust any suggestion/recommendation I make. I've gotten used to this level of trust.

Then I went to visit an uncle far away - and noticed his iMac had only 1GB of ram... so we went to Frys and I picked up a 2GB stick for them letting us stay in their home. He about had a heart attack seeing me taking his iMac "apart" - and I was so used to this being "no big deal" that I totally missed on how this might inappropriate of me without asking permission. Well, by that time I had it open - and so finished the job. Still working fine, btw.
 

pm

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Whenever I think of totally ridiculous cooling, I think of the rig we had set up at the Colorado LANFest 2012 where there was a chiller the size of a large refrigerator chilling water into the manifold of a temperature controller which circulates water over a CPU waterblock running with four seperate 200W Peltier TEC modules side by side, down a massive copper block to control the CPU. We had a price breakdown of the overclocked demo system and it was around $11000 - most of which was the chiller and the manifold controller.

The described it on page 45 of Computer Power User last year:
http://www.computerpoweruser.com/digitalissues/computerpoweruser/CP____1211__/files/45.html
 
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