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big4x4

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I really do not believe I have to go through all those steps to uninstall drivers. Would that really fix the problem??? I have and lcd 1712 monitor from nec. From the factory, all I have done was used the 'auto' button to set my monitor up. There is no options I see for my monitor to make the text more readable in 2d. With NVIDIA, I have NEVER had a problem with the cards I have owned! I am not saying all of NVIDIA's cards are this way though. This is my 3rd ati card, and so far 2 of them had a problem!!!!! Not to mention the driver problems I face when I use ati! I will try to take the card back and get a new one (again!!!!!...I really HATE frys!) I probably like the 9800 if the drivers allowed me to play all my games with out a problem. I was really hoping to have a good transition with ati like most of the people I have seen have
 

Rudee

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Originally posted by: Kuznetsov
Hahahhahahahahahahaha
now you know not to buy ATi.
i got rolling lines all over my monitor, i suppose thats why the 2D is better.
On 3d mode definitely is better when the rolling lines just keeps on rolling.
Not to mention my PSU makes crazy noises all the time for as long as it is stuck on my mobo.
Excellent piece of engineering!!
ATi Radeon features:
Rolling Lines
PSU high pitch noises
DX9
Excellent 2D and 3D graphics.

Enjoy!


idiot.
 

Mem

Lifer
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I really do not believe I have to go through all those steps to uninstall drivers. Would that really fix the problem??? I

How long will it take to run Driver Cleaner, 10 mins or so? Worth a shot and it`s a lot quicker then doing nothing,since you`re using a LCD I suggest you make sure it`s in native resolution and where possible use DVI connection if your LCD has DVI input.
 

nick1985

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Originally posted by: g3pro
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: g3pro
hahaha. i hoped you learned your lesson: never buy ATi.

you are an idiot.

i'm sorry, i shouldn't be rubbing it in. i'm sorry if i offended you.

your not rubbing anything in. the only thing you are doing is proving your own ignorance.
 

jaymerkramer

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I have a similiar problem with my ati card. I found that with LCD's that the text looks blurry if your not running the resolution and refresh rate at the monitors native resolutions then the text looks horrible. For some reason the ati drivers kept reverting back to 60hz on mine. The new 4.4's seems to have fixed my problems. Just another option to look at.
 

big4x4

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Running the native resolution is too small for my liking on the desktop! I really do not believe it is a software issue, but more of a hardware issue. In any case, it is going back to the store
 

Regs

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Im filing this thread under bull s***.

I like the 5900 and how it performs, but your thread is blatantly obvious full of crap. At least you could of said you traded for one.
 

vshah

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Originally posted by: MemberSince97
Have you tried a Jetway FX5200 ? that 'll fix it...


yeah...the jetway would Rick James that studdering 9800pro

Jetway 5200

man we're gettin a lot of insider jokes here

but seriously...also try reducing your agp rate to 8x. that fixed some issues in nfsu for me when i had a 9700p

-Vivan
 

big4x4

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rbV5 and Regs.....no offense but you guys must be pretty ignorant. Accusing me of lying??!?!?!!? LOL that is funny. I really do not have any thing to prove to you two, and just came in hear asking for suggestions and or help. zApparently someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today!!!!!!! (and it isnt me!!!) And everyone else who game me suggestions, I will try them later tonight. Keep em coming!

Edit - rbv5, what is wrong with not running the lcd at its nativ res? Right now I am running at 1024 x 768 no problem (the native is 1280 x 1024)
 

Pete

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No s*** an LCD not run at its native res would look "blurry." If native res is too small on a 17", why didn't you buy a 15" or an 18-19"? jaymerkramer's comment about ATi "forcing" him to 60Hz on his LCD is freaking hilarious, too. He must have one of those future LCDs with a pixel response fast enough to make 60Hz a limitation. Perhaps you two should learn how to use your hardware before you complain about it?

This thread is dead to me. No, I'm not in a bad mood at all. ;P Apologies to those I just bitched at, but my superego is taking a nap.

PS - Jetway 5200.
 

big4x4

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Well then, explain to me the fact why the 5900 can produces clean and crisp text at 1024x768? Pete, you gotta calm down a little. Maybe some people (like me) do not know as much as you! NO ONE has ever told me that you have to run the lcd at its native resolution!
 

biostud

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Originally posted by: big4x4
rbV5 and Regs.....no offense but you guys must be pretty ignorant. Accusing me of lying??!?!?!!? LOL that is funny. I really do not have any thing to prove to you two, and just came in hear asking for suggestions and or help. zApparently someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today!!!!!!! (and it isnt me!!!) And everyone else who game me suggestions, I will try them later tonight. Keep em coming!

Edit - rbv5, what is wrong with not running the lcd at its nativ res? Right now I am running at 1024 x 768 no problem (the native is 1280 x 1024)

If you think it's to small don't change resolution change the DPI to a custom level for your liking. This will look far better on a LCD than changing away from the native resolution.
 

rbV5

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rbV5 and Regs.....no offense but you guys must be pretty ignorant. Accusing me of lying??!?!?!!?
Lying? You'll have to point that out to me, as I never said anything remotely close to that.
Edit - rbv5, what is wrong with not running the lcd at its nativ res? Right now I am running at 1024 x 768 no problem (the native is 1280 x 1024)
Its pretty common knowledge that the running an LCD in native resolution is imparative to get decent IQ. I see guys flaming you and calling you an idiot and a fanboy, and you call me out because of my post? Now you're saying your running it with no problems? Alrighteethen
 

big4x4

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rbv5 - Sorry, I didnt mean to say that you said I am lying...It was Regs
I like the 5900 and how it performs, but your thread is blatantly obvious full of crap. At least you could of said you traded for one.
. On my 5900, I tried 1024 and 1280 and they both gave me good clarity. On the 9800, It was still blurry. I have not seen anyone call me an idiot or a fanboi yet, and hopefully no one does! Maybe the ramdac is bad on the ati card?
 

Mem

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big4x4:

The native resolution on a LCD can be thought of as the maximum resolution on a CRT monitor. The big difference is that CRT monitors can display images at a lower resolution without picture quality loss while a LCD monitor has to rely on interpolation (scaling of the image).

LINK .

For optimum image clarity it is best to always run your LCD monitor at its native resolution.
,Link 2 .
 

rbV5

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I have not seen anyone call me an idiot or a fanboi yet, and hopefully no one does! Maybe the ramdac is bad on the ati card?
It seems my reading skills ~ yours LOL. I would follow Mem's advice and go from there, it won't hurt to start with a fresh driver install.
 

Pete

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Originally posted by: big4x4
Well then, explain to me the fact why the 5900 can produces clean and crisp text at 1024x768? Pete, you gotta calm down a little. Maybe some people (like me) do not know as much as you! NO ONE has ever told me that you have to run the lcd at its native resolution!

I suppose I owe you a reply considering the rather nasty nature of my previous one. The fact that your 5900 looks good and your 9800 doesn't is something I conveniently overlooked in my bitching. Perhaps nV scales differently, or adds black bars to the top and bottom of your screen to maintain proper geometry (10x7 is 4:3, 12x10 is 5:4)? I can't imagine your 9800 has worse signal quality as such an undemanding setting as 10x7@60Hz. An LCD is meant to run at native res for many reasons, but the main one is that LCDs have a physically fixed number of pixels. A 17" LCD has 1280 pixels going across, and 1024 pixels going down. This is a 5:4 ratio. When you lower your resolution to 10x7, you're now drawing 1024 pixels across and 768 down with a physical grid of 1280x1024--not ideal, as some scaling artifacts will occur when a drawn pixel falls between two physical pixels. You're also stretching a 4:3 resolution to a 5:4 screen, leading to further funkifying of the image. biostud is right, try changing the font size before the resolution. Right-click on desktop > Properties > Settings tab > Advanced button > General tab > 120dpi from drop-down menu. With WinXP, you could also try right-click > Properties > Appearance > Font Size. This way the graphics card outputs a signal that can map 1:1 to the LCD's native resolution, rather that forcing either the graphics card or the LCD to try fitting a circle where a square should be (so to speak).

As for the 60Hz refresh rate, the fastest LCDs have a typical pixel response rate of 16ms. This means they can switch from one color to another in 16ms. 1 color/16ms = 42.5 colors/s, or 42.5fps. This means the fastest an LCD can redraw its screen is roughly 42.5 times a second on average, so even a 60Hz "refresh" rate is faster than an LCD can redraw. Note the term refresh is an anachronism from CRTs, as LCDs don't need to refresh. A pixel is either on or off, it doesn't fade like the CRT's electron gun hitting the back of its glass face. This is why 60Hz doesn't look like it's flickering on an LCD as it would on a CRT, and why most ppl find staring at LCDs for long periods of time less tiring on their eyes than a CRT (no refresh for the eye/brain to process).

If you're using WindowsXP, try enabling ClearType for more readable (IMO) text. ClearType takes advantages of an LCD's subpixels to add extra resolution to fonts, thus making them look more rounded (rather than jagged, or stair-stepped).

Here's a decent PYAITK (put your ass in the know) article on LCDs. It doesn't go into great depth on an LCDs (sub)pixels, but it's a start. I'd be surprised if Anandtech didn't have a similar article, and TomsHardware and TechReport should each have one, too.
 

big4x4

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Thank you for your informative information. Tried changing both dpi and font size, and although there was an inprovement, I still was not me. Unfortunately, I had to use system restore since I was unalble to revert back to the settings I originally had!
 

sodcha0s

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Pete,

Thanks for taking the time to put forth a detailed "howto" for these boobs. Reading their rants about hardware that they obviously have no clue how to use was very annoying, and I'm glad you beat me to the punch! :beer:
 

jaymerkramer

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Originally posted by: Pete
No s*** an LCD not run at its native res would look "blurry." If native res is too small on a 17", why didn't you buy a 15" or an 18-19"? jaymerkramer's comment about ATi "forcing" him to 60Hz on his LCD is freaking hilarious, too. He must have one of those future LCDs with a pixel response fast enough to make 60Hz a limitation. Perhaps you two should learn how to use your hardware before you complain about it?

This thread is dead to me. No, I'm not in a bad mood at all. ;P Apologies to those I just bitched at, but my superego is taking a nap.

PS - Jetway 5200.

I never said that ATI was "forcing" me to 60hz(read before you post)I set the the monitor frequency to 75hz which the monitors native resolution is 1280x1024 at 75hz. After playing games or sometimes after reboots the monitor frequency in windows would revert back to 60hz and you would have to change it again. This was a well documented ATI problem and appears to have been fixed. So perhaps you should learn how to read and maybe do some research before you complain about it? And on my 17inch viewsonic lcd the text, when on a white background does look fuzzy at 60hz, changing it to 75hz fixes it everytime.
 
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