just got a pair of kingston hyperX pc3500: help!

RIGorous1

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Hi,

I just got a pair of kingston hyperx pc3500 and on the heatspreader it says: pc3500 2.6v, but when I went to newegg to check out their hyperx pc3500's their's are marked as 2.5v here. Do I have an older version of kingston's pc3500 or what?

Also, I can't get this memory to even hit 217mhz (ddr433) even at SPD which is marked at CL 2.5-3-3-8(!) in the bios. What's with that? Does a dual channel arrangement require more relaxed timings? This are pretty horrible timings alrighty, no?

Should I just try one in single channel and then try the other?
 

LukFilm

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I've had exactly same problems with my HyperX PC3500, I even tested five sticks from BB, still nothing helped, so I would avoid them in the future.
 

RIGorous1

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oh my goD! I got them from best buy too! From the sale this week! So, there's a history of bad stuff eh? Should I return this ram?
 

Cosmo3

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Did you set your memory timing to 5-4? If it is set at 5-4 then your memory is bad but if the memory timing is set at 1-1 try 5-4 and it should work. Also it is OK to set memory voltage up a notch or two without hurting the memory.
 

flyer351

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Bump the memory to 2.7V then run memtest86. My guess is that you will get lots of errors with the memory running at 2.5

Also, I wouldn't worry about 2.7V or even 2.8V. The AMD side of the house has been running higher than that for a while now.

My Hyper-X will run memtest86 with 2.7V at 170 FSB 2-6-2-2 with no errors.
 

Shimmishim

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i assume you're running the 5:4 with the hyperX cuz if you're running 1:1

12 x 250 = 3000

so you're trying to run ddr500 with ram rated for ddr434

 

RIGorous1

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ok everyone I found the problem... one of my ram sticks is 2.6v and the other is 2.5v... I didn't even notice it when I bought both. Well, back to BB to get an exchange.

Oh and I was running 1:1, I'd like to do 5:4 but I learned that you lose PAT if you do, so I'm stuck.
 

AirGibson

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In your rig specs, you list an ABit 865PE, and you mention the 1:1 memory requirement for PAT, so I assume you are refering to the IS7 (or one of it's variants).

That being the case, if you enable GAT (the "official" name for PAT features on the IS7 since it's a tiny bit different from PAT) then your memory divider and your listed memory timings DO NOT MATTER. GAT sets the timings to what it wants regardless of what you specify in the BIOS.

Here's some info from Mushkin's web site regarding this:

ABIT IS7

ABIT IS7: Intel i865PE Springdale (Intel website)

The ABit IS7 uses a trick to bypass Intel's restrictions on the Springdale chipset, that is, even at the 800 MHz PSB, the additional pipeline stages in the memory address and command path are not activated. This, essentially, turns the Springdale into a pseudo-canterwood with all performance benefits associated with the more expensive Canterwood chipset but no support for ECC. In theory, the Springdale should work similar to the Canterwood, however, keep in mind that the dies used there are not validated for Performance Acceleration Technology. This, in turn, means that there are no guarantees that the performance modes will actually run stable. Because of this "cheat" beyond Intel's specifications, we are only scratching the surface of potential issues and bugs at this point.
With the samples at hand, we still found the IS7 100% compatible with all Mushkin PC3200 and PC3500 Black series. Keep in mind that it is necessary to populate the board with a minimum of two identical DIMMs in the complementary slots in order to get "Dual Channel" performance.

USER TIPS: enabling any of the different performance options will override the manual latency and frequency ratio settings and force a 1:1 CPURAM ratio at 2:x:x:x latency settings, with the "Ultra" (now "F1") setting forcing a 2:2:2:5 latency configuration at DDR400 frequency.

The same issues apply to the IS7 as what we listed for the IC7: using the "Turbo" (or "Street Racer") setting at 2:2:2:7 yields overall better performance since a longer tRAS prevents the controller from inadvertently terminating an ongoing data burst. Enabling the CPC (Command Per Clock) adds another small notch to the overall performance but can cause stability problems as well. The Read Delay timer should be set to 5-6 cycles for best stability and performance or else left on Auto.

We found that DIMMs that require CAS latencies of 2.5 or higher at DDR400 will not function in any of the available performance modes. The workaround is to set the performance tab to "Disabled". Even though this appears counterintuitive at first, it makes sense in that there is no point in reducing chipset latencies when the memory itself would add those latencies again at the back-end of the "food chain". The HW monitor shows voltage values that are below the real voltages, so better not crank them up too much.



Anyhow, bottom line, you should turn off GAT and manually test the timings because depending on what you're setting GAT at, you may be pushing your memory beyond specs without knowing it.
 
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