Originally posted by: Gibson486
Originally posted by: OulOat
Your first salary affects every following salary (unless you have a dramatic life event, like a career change). You think a Harvard Law grad starting out with 150k is going to be paid the same in 10 years as a 3rd tier law grad starting out at 70k? Not likely. Employers ask for your current salary so they know exactly how much you are worth. If you get a crappy paying job out of college, you are screwing yourself for the rest of your life.
you have no idea what you are talking about, do you? You have to be niave to think that your college alone will get you a six figure salary after school.
Oh, and your example, there have many instances where a alumni of elite school made the same as the alumni of a less respectable school after years of work.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
It seems as though denigrating the accomplishments of others and trying to bring them down has become an acceptable if not popular behavior in our society. Whether it is dissing someone's car, their college, a competitor in a sporting event, trying to bring someone else down has become the norm, unfortunately. And it is always done by those who derive a measure of their own self-importance from how often they can make themselves feel superior.
I hope that in the future, when you are faced with the opportunity to bash something that another person is proud of, you will remember how it felt when some narrow minded people tried to bring you down.
DeVry isn't a top-tier college and you probably knew that. It is also on the expensive side, there are better schools for the money. But DeVry is hardly a waste of time or money, its an established school that places an emphasis on real-world competencies that employers want. DeVry won't get you a research or engineering fellowship at Intel or IBM, but it will get your foot in the door to plenty of great jobs and give you a foundation that you can take to higher levels.
Those who graduate from top-tier universities act as though heading the R&D division of Intel or IBM, or some other highly exclusive position, are the only meaningful, respectable, satisfying, challenging, or well-paying positions in the world. Not only is this patently absurd and false, but there are tens of thousands of graduates from top universities who will never even get close to these upper-echelons. Even more laughable, is the notion that persons who had a snowball's chance in hell of ascending to these echelons would be here posting on Anandtech.
While it may be true that no IBM or Intel Technologist sports a degree from DeVry, you also don't see any persons with the makings of an IBM or Intel Technologist posting on hardware enthusiast forums dominated by teenagers. Take that to the bank.
If you graduate from DeVry near the top of your class and make the most of your opportunities there, you will have no trouble finding employment or livelihood that interests you. Where you go and what you do from there is up to you.
Originally posted by: Mani
Hey dude, I'm going to try to give you some no-bs advice. Yes, the people telling you that Devry is sh*t are not experts. But those trying to blow smoke up your ass in telling you where you got your degree doesn't matter are no better.
The fact with Devry is, you will be constantly having to fight the negative image that school has in many peoples' minds. To a lot of people, it is a community college-level school and to others it is a flat-out joke. That is not to say it deserves either of those perceptions, but that's just how it is. It will work against you somewhat in trying to get people to take you seriously in the work world and it will affect your ability to get a serious audience for an interview. And for every engineer that doesn't care where your education comes from, there is another who thinks Devry graduates calling themselves engineers are an insult to their profession.
What you decide to do is your decision - just weigh all your options before jumping at this. If you are looking at alternatives, state schools are a good option. If admissions are a problem even directional schools (e.g. eastern michigan, southwest texas, etc.) are a preferential option, as are satellite campuses (e.g. Umich-Dearborn, Utexas-Dallas). These schools may not be prestigious, but at least they do not carry the stigma Devry does. Good luck.
Originally posted by: tcsenter
It seems as though denigrating the accomplishments of others and trying to bring them down has become an acceptable if not popular behavior in our society. Whether it is dissing someone's car, their college, a competitor in a sporting event, trying to bring someone else down has become the norm, unfortunately. And it is always done by those who derive a measure of their own self-importance from how often they can make themselves feel superior.
I hope that in the future, when you are faced with the opportunity to bash something that another person is proud of, you will remember how it felt when some narrow minded people tried to bring you down.
DeVry isn't a top-tier college and you probably knew that. It is also on the expensive side, there are better schools for the money. But DeVry is hardly a waste of time or money, its an established school that places an emphasis on real-world competencies that employers want. DeVry won't get you a research or engineering fellowship at Intel or IBM, but it will get your foot in the door to plenty of great jobs and give you a foundation that you can take to higher levels.
Those who graduate from top-tier universities act as though heading the R&D division of Intel or IBM, or some other highly exclusive position, are the only meaningful, respectable, satisfying, challenging, or well-paying positions in the world. Not only is this patently absurd and false, but there are tens of thousands of graduates from top universities who will never even get close to these upper-echelons. Even more laughable, is the notion that persons who had a snowball's chance in hell of ascending to these echelons would be here posting on Anandtech.
While it may be true that no IBM or Intel Technologist sports a degree from DeVry, you also don't see any persons with the makings of an IBM or Intel Technologist posting on hardware enthusiast forums dominated by teenagers. Take that to the bank.
If you graduate from DeVry near the top of your class and make the most of your opportunities there, you will have no trouble finding employment or livelihood that interests you. Where you go and what you do from there is up to you.
Originally posted by: arcenite
Hey you can all make fun of the school if you want, but it's better then being made fun of when you're a 40 year old man working at mcdonalds. If you don't have something nice to say, just go away :|
Originally posted by: arcenite
Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy
Originally posted by: newbiepcuser
Originally posted by: arcenite
Hey you can all make fun of the school if you want, but it's better then being made fun of when you're a 40 year old man working at mcdonalds. If you don't have something nice to say, just go away :|
Chill dude, I said congrats. I didn't know you had to apply. As long as your doing something to improve yourself in life, its all good.
Can DeVry actually improve anything? I'm not trying to be an ass, I just always thought DeVry was like one of those crappy technical schools that nobody in the professional world respects.
apparently a lot of people are under that impression
Originally posted by: Krk3561
You're flat out wrong. There are a few Intel employees that post on these forums regularly, Wingznut is one.
Originally posted by: arcenite
Hey you can all make fun of the school if you want, but it's better then being made fun of when you're a 40 year old man working at mcdonalds. If you don't have something nice to say, just go away :|
Originally posted by: Gibson486
Devry is not really a place you go to to be the best engineer possible.
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: Gibson486
Devry is not really a place you go to to be the best engineer possible.
Much of what you describe is an attribute of the person, not the school they go to. I'd say the person who is more intelligent and works harder will make a better engineer no matter what school they go to. In fact, they'll probably be better at anything that requires critical thought since they have more to work with as far as brains go.
I remember when I was younger, I had a friend that I went to grade school with. His parents sent him to a different high school than me, one that was more "prestigious". He took school so seriously while I was just slacked. He started telling me how he takes his education so seriously, and that his school will better prepare him for the SAT's than mine possibly could. He was probably right about the school, but I was always in special honors classes and would ace my tests. Let's just say that I almost scored as high on my verbal part (760), as he scored on the whole test (around 1000). I was just smarter than him, and there wasn't much he could do about it. I also scored a perfect 100 on the comprehension portion of my HSPT.
Focus on the individual's brains. School is just an accessory.