Just got accepted to DeVry University

[amoeba]

don't get too down by the comments.

you could always come out and do contract layout work for good money.

 

[daveymark]

after you graduate from devry, be sure to get your Masters at Keller

 

[OulOat]

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: OulOat
Your first salary affects every following salary (unless you have a dramatic life event, like a career change). You think a Harvard Law grad starting out with 150k is going to be paid the same in 10 years as a 3rd tier law grad starting out at 70k? Not likely. Employers ask for your current salary so they know exactly how much you are worth. If you get a crappy paying job out of college, you are screwing yourself for the rest of your life.

you have no idea what you are talking about, do you? You have to be niave to think that your college alone will get you a six figure salary after school.

First, I never said the degree alone will get you a 6 figure salary. But it's a fact that the average starting salary for a Harvard Law Grad is 125k (I was off by 25k). Chances are, if you go to a school without such a reputation, you won't be making that much starting out. Cruel but it's the truth.

Oh, and your example, there have many instances where a alumni of elite school made the same as the alumni of a less respectable school after years of work.

Many instances are fine. There is no limit to what the op can do. But if you look at the overall statistics, you are limited by your starting salary. No company is going to fork over 100k if they know your previous salary was just 70k. Not going to happen unless they really really want you.

 

[tcsenter]

It seems as though denigrating the accomplishments of others and trying to bring them down has become an acceptable if not popular behavior in our society. Whether it is dissing someone's car, their college, a competitor in a sporting event, trying to bring someone else down has become the norm, unfortunately. And it is always done by those who derive a measure of their own self-importance from how often they can make themselves feel superior.

I hope that in the future, when you are faced with the opportunity to bash something that another person is proud of, you will remember how it felt when some narrow minded people tried to bring you down.

DeVry isn't a top-tier college and you probably knew that. It is also on the expensive side, there are better schools for the money. But DeVry is hardly a waste of time or money, its an established school that places an emphasis on real-world competencies that employers want. DeVry won't get you a research or engineering fellowship at Intel or IBM, but it will get your foot in the door to plenty of great jobs and give you a foundation that you can take to higher levels.

Those who graduate from top-tier universities act as though heading the R&D division of Intel or IBM, or some other highly exclusive position, are the only meaningful, respectable, satisfying, challenging, or well-paying positions in the world. Not only is this patently absurd and false, but there are tens of thousands of graduates from top universities who will never even get close to these upper-echelons. Even more laughable, is the notion that persons who had a snowball's chance in hell of ascending to these echelons would be here posting on Anandtech.

While it may be true that no IBM or Intel Technologist sports a degree from DeVry, you also don't see any persons with the makings of an IBM or Intel Technologist posting on hardware enthusiast forums dominated by teenagers. Take that to the bank.

If you graduate from DeVry near the top of your class and make the most of your opportunities there, you will have no trouble finding employment or livelihood that interests you. Where you go and what you do from there is up to you.

 

[Beau]

I attempted to register with DeVry, but soon realized that they were only out to get my money. Their registration method is screwed, and they lost 1/2 of my papers. I then found out that the recruiter was trying to register me 3 weeks into the current semester. I pulled the plug on it immediately since I didn't have time to catch up on 3 weeks of work, and stay current with an accelerated schedule. They're still trying to get me to pay for a semester of school that I never attended, and according to their letters, never finished registering for. Fvck crooks.

I hope you have better luck with them.

 

[Looney]

Get into a community college, it'll cost less, and be more useful

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
It seems as though denigrating the accomplishments of others and trying to bring them down has become an acceptable if not popular behavior in our society. Whether it is dissing someone's car, their college, a competitor in a sporting event, trying to bring someone else down has become the norm, unfortunately. And it is always done by those who derive a measure of their own self-importance from how often they can make themselves feel superior.

I hope that in the future, when you are faced with the opportunity to bash something that another person is proud of, you will remember how it felt when some narrow minded people tried to bring you down.

DeVry isn't a top-tier college and you probably knew that. It is also on the expensive side, there are better schools for the money. But DeVry is hardly a waste of time or money, its an established school that places an emphasis on real-world competencies that employers want. DeVry won't get you a research or engineering fellowship at Intel or IBM, but it will get your foot in the door to plenty of great jobs and give you a foundation that you can take to higher levels.

Those who graduate from top-tier universities act as though heading the R&D division of Intel or IBM, or some other highly exclusive position, are the only meaningful, respectable, satisfying, challenging, or well-paying positions in the world. Not only is this patently absurd and false, but there are tens of thousands of graduates from top universities who will never even get close to these upper-echelons. Even more laughable, is the notion that persons who had a snowball's chance in hell of ascending to these echelons would be here posting on Anandtech.

While it may be true that no IBM or Intel Technologist sports a degree from DeVry, you also don't see any persons with the makings of an IBM or Intel Technologist posting on hardware enthusiast forums dominated by teenagers. Take that to the bank.

If you graduate from DeVry near the top of your class and make the most of your opportunities there, you will have no trouble finding employment or livelihood that interests you. Where you go and what you do from there is up to you.

To the OP, this is what its all about right here

good post tcsenter.

 

[HamSupLo]

Originally posted by: Mani
Hey dude, I'm going to try to give you some no-bs advice. Yes, the people telling you that Devry is sh*t are not experts. But those trying to blow smoke up your ass in telling you where you got your degree doesn't matter are no better.

The fact with Devry is, you will be constantly having to fight the negative image that school has in many peoples' minds. To a lot of people, it is a community college-level school and to others it is a flat-out joke. That is not to say it deserves either of those perceptions, but that's just how it is. It will work against you somewhat in trying to get people to take you seriously in the work world and it will affect your ability to get a serious audience for an interview. And for every engineer that doesn't care where your education comes from, there is another who thinks Devry graduates calling themselves engineers are an insult to their profession.

What you decide to do is your decision - just weigh all your options before jumping at this. If you are looking at alternatives, state schools are a good option. If admissions are a problem even directional schools (e.g. eastern michigan, southwest texas, etc.) are a preferential option, as are satellite campuses (e.g. Umich-Dearborn, Utexas-Dallas). These schools may not be prestigious, but at least they do not carry the stigma Devry does. Good luck.

this is a very well reasoned post. Just compare DeVry with what every options you may have and the rest is really up to you. Good luck with whatever you decide.

 

[Krk3561]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
It seems as though denigrating the accomplishments of others and trying to bring them down has become an acceptable if not popular behavior in our society. Whether it is dissing someone's car, their college, a competitor in a sporting event, trying to bring someone else down has become the norm, unfortunately. And it is always done by those who derive a measure of their own self-importance from how often they can make themselves feel superior.

I hope that in the future, when you are faced with the opportunity to bash something that another person is proud of, you will remember how it felt when some narrow minded people tried to bring you down.

DeVry isn't a top-tier college and you probably knew that. It is also on the expensive side, there are better schools for the money. But DeVry is hardly a waste of time or money, its an established school that places an emphasis on real-world competencies that employers want. DeVry won't get you a research or engineering fellowship at Intel or IBM, but it will get your foot in the door to plenty of great jobs and give you a foundation that you can take to higher levels.

Those who graduate from top-tier universities act as though heading the R&D division of Intel or IBM, or some other highly exclusive position, are the only meaningful, respectable, satisfying, challenging, or well-paying positions in the world. Not only is this patently absurd and false, but there are tens of thousands of graduates from top universities who will never even get close to these upper-echelons. Even more laughable, is the notion that persons who had a snowball's chance in hell of ascending to these echelons would be here posting on Anandtech.

While it may be true that no IBM or Intel Technologist sports a degree from DeVry, you also don't see any persons with the makings of an IBM or Intel Technologist posting on hardware enthusiast forums dominated by teenagers. Take that to the bank.

If you graduate from DeVry near the top of your class and make the most of your opportunities there, you will have no trouble finding employment or livelihood that interests you. Where you go and what you do from there is up to you.

You're flat out wrong. There are a few Intel employees that post on these forums regularly, Wingznut is one.

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: arcenite
Hey you can all make fun of the school if you want, but it's better then being made fun of when you're a 40 year old man working at mcdonalds. If you don't have something nice to say, just go away :|

so you're a 40 year old guy who works at mcdonalds and now want to get into tech be going to devry?

sounds about right.

not to be harsh, but where i work DeVry on the resume (at least for I.S.) = trashcan.

 

[ucdnam]

I can sum it up as, any education you get it derived from what you put into it. Doesn't matter where you go. You just need 2 points to make a straight line, and that is to know where you are and the path to get to where you want to be. A lot of people don't know the path and end up lost or follow a path that does not lead to their destination. As long as you know what you want and know what to do to get there, you'll be fine.

 

[MadPeriot]

Congrads on your admission. Its not where you go, but what you make out of it. Though Devry don't really consider a real college nor earning actual college units but a lot of good people came out of Devry. Good luck in your future.

 

[Darthvoy]

Wtf are you guys talking about...I had a friend that went to ITT tech, or Devry...( i don't remember) and got some sort of computer degree..anyhow, he nows makes about 100,000.00 a year.

 

[MadPeriot]

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: Pr0d1gy

Originally posted by: newbiepcuser

Originally posted by: arcenite
Hey you can all make fun of the school if you want, but it's better then being made fun of when you're a 40 year old man working at mcdonalds. If you don't have something nice to say, just go away :|

Chill dude, I said congrats. I didn't know you had to apply. As long as your doing something to improve yourself in life, its all good.

Can DeVry actually improve anything? I'm not trying to be an ass, I just always thought DeVry was like one of those crappy technical schools that nobody in the professional world respects.

apparently a lot of people are under that impression

If that was true Devry would of been out of business long time ago.

 

[alius]

When I read this title I assumed most of you guys would bash the op for his choice (not that there weren't those that did...) and I'm pretty impressed at all the people who congratulated him. Its good to know not everyone is an asshole.

Oh and congrats on your choice and I wish you will Arcenite! Good luck!

 

[DT4K]

I'm not going to say that you can't be successful if you go to DeVry. I'm sure there are plenty of people who went to DeVry and have done very well for themselves. That said, there are also plenty of people who never went to college and still did very well, so how successful you will be is not determined solely by which college you attend.

What I can tell you is that overall, DeVry is viewed by MANY people in the professional world as a joke of a school. Whether that reputation is deserved or not, the opinion is certainly prevalent. The fact that their primary purpose is to make a profit rather than provide a quality education is important to know. It means that when making decisions about which teachers to hire, what equipment to buy, etc., their primary concern will be keeping costs low rather than keeping quality high. I think this along with the fact that admission standards are virtually non-existent is what leads many professionals to view DeVry as not being a "real" school.

As I said, which college you choose will not be the only factor that determines your success, but it can certainly make a difference. I would not discount a resume because it had DeVry on it, but I would certainly be more likely to interview someone with a state university education. The fact that you thought Computer Engineering Technology was the same thing as Computer Engineering tells me that you really need to do some more research. I would hate for you to get a CET degree, then find out you aren't prepared for an entry-level engineering job.

Someone said "DeVry is good enough for Intel". I'm sure plenty of DeVry grads end up as technicians at Intel, but I would guess very few end up as Design Engineers at Intel. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't saying there is anything wrong with being a tech, I just meant that the education requirements are a lot lower than for engineers.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Krk3561
You're flat out wrong. There are a few Intel employees that post on these forums regularly, Wingznut is one.

Is he an engineer or technician?

 

[digitalsm]

Im not knocking DeVry, but Id suggest picking an in state school and looking up its transfer requirements. They should have a list of courses to take your freshmen and sophmore year at a junior college. Take the recommended courses, do well, and you are pretty much in.

Since you are in New Jersey heres a link that may help NJ transfer

You can pretty much map out your courses to take at a community college and transfer them to any of the state colleges(Rutgers etc).

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: arcenite
Hey you can all make fun of the school if you want, but it's better then being made fun of when you're a 40 year old man working at mcdonalds. If you don't have something nice to say, just go away :|

Well I just accepted a position with a major medical manufacturer as a manager and I have NO COLLEGE.

Also only 30

Join the Navy better school and you get paid as well as FREE TRAVEL.

ALso when you get done you have experence.

 

[91TTZ]

I think too many people nowadays are concerned with status and public opinion like a popularity contest. If you went to a school that they think is bad, they'll look down on you even if you have a 150 IQ and 10 years experience. But if you were in the same fraternity that they were in, they'd be willing to suck you. But it doesn't change the fact that the tools you have in your mind will allow you to mentally dominate them. College is usually only 4 years of your life, and the next 40 years you need to prove yourself in the real world. From then on, it's what's in YOU that matters, and your abilities will determine how far you can get. Currently the richest man on Earth has no college degree.

Ignore those chumps, because they lack substance. If you want status, buy a BMW and hang out in front of your local high school and wait for classes to get out. If you want substance, concentrate on what you're doing and leave those chumps behind.

 

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

I think that going to Devry is a very bad option. I agree with very many people here that where you go to college doesn't really matter to an extent. That being said...why overpay for an education that doesn't even offer Federally funded financial aid and has a crippled career development service department that is basically overhyped?
I know in my state (NJ), the universities have far greater internship and experience opportunities than Devry. College is as much about gaining experience than actually learning. There is no such thing as not being smart enough for college, its how much effort you put into your education. You indirectly learn skills such as the importance of retraining, the art of putting effort into learning and gaining something useful from what you learn. Especially with programming, you can't really learn the art of programming within the four walls of a classroom... its a self-acquired indirect art that is achieved through self-practice.

And to the people who are hating, don't mind them, they are probally spoilt brats living in their parent's basements who really have no idea on how it is to live in this world without mommy and daddy's money to get you through life. I would know, I have been working through my four years of college and I'm out at the end of this year... thankfully, I already have a job in IT.

What I advise you to do is apply to a state university and compare both places. The tuition, curriculum, career options, departments, curricular activities so on and so forth. But a word of advice, take whatever the advisors tell you with a grain of salt. They are there to sell you to their campus... try to get in touch with students or alumni. Most of all, take your time, don't rush.

Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide to do and good for you for actually wanting to get out and do something about your future.

 

[91TTZ]

Another thing to keep in mind is that the vast majority of people on here are college age students. I'd say most are around 17-25, so college is fresh on their minds. I remember when I was that age and thought school was the biggest thing in the world. Now that I'm past that point in my life, the only time I talk about college is when I talk to a younger person.

The real world doesn't really care where you went to school as much as your ability to do work for them. College is mainly an issue in the younger agegroup.

So to sum it up, on this forum college is the main thing in people's lives and they are more critical of where you go than you'll find in the professional world. Don't mind them so much.

 

[Gibson486]

OK, here is the bigger picture.....if you want a degree to just land a job, Devry should be fine. It's intended purpose is to give what you need to land a job. and that is all. Devry is not really a place you go to to be the best engineer possible. You go there to learn the techincal stuff to get by on your job, and that is all. It's almost the equivalent to a school like Wentworth Institute of Technology, but without the coops and acedemic background.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Gibson486
Devry is not really a place you go to to be the best engineer possible.

Much of what you describe is an attribute of the person, not the school they go to. I'd say the person who is more intelligent and works harder will make a better engineer no matter what school they go to. In fact, they'll probably be better at anything that requires critical thought since they have more to work with as far as brains go.

I remember when I was younger, I had a friend that I went to grade school with. His parents sent him to a different high school than me, one that was more "prestigious". He took school so seriously while I was just slacked. He started telling me how he takes his education so seriously, and that his school will better prepare him for the SAT's than mine possibly could. He was probably right about the school, but I was always in special honors classes and would ace my tests. Let's just say that I almost scored as high on my verbal part (760), as he scored on the whole test (around 1000). I was just smarter than him, and there wasn't much he could do about it. I also scored a perfect 100 on the comprehension portion of my HSPT.

Focus on the individual's brains. School is just an accessory.

 

[Gibson486]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Gibson486
Devry is not really a place you go to to be the best engineer possible.

Much of what you describe is an attribute of the person, not the school they go to. I'd say the person who is more intelligent and works harder will make a better engineer no matter what school they go to. In fact, they'll probably be better at anything that requires critical thought since they have more to work with as far as brains go.

I remember when I was younger, I had a friend that I went to grade school with. His parents sent him to a different high school than me, one that was more "prestigious". He took school so seriously while I was just slacked. He started telling me how he takes his education so seriously, and that his school will better prepare him for the SAT's than mine possibly could. He was probably right about the school, but I was always in special honors classes and would ace my tests. Let's just say that I almost scored as high on my verbal part (760), as he scored on the whole test (around 1000). I was just smarter than him, and there wasn't much he could do about it. I also scored a perfect 100 on the comprehension portion of my HSPT.

Focus on the individual's brains. School is just an accessory.

I know that, but if you really want to be an expert in your feild (go to graduate school after), Devry is not really a place you owuld think about going. Like I said, I have met people in Computer Engineering Tecnology who know their stuff better than people who were in regular Computer engineering. The emphasis of Devry is to land the skills and get you a job (which is the emphasis of Engineering Techonology), but the emphasis of a 4 year univeristy (i know, some universties offer enginerring tech) is to educate the students and have them be more than a worker. After years of work, an engineering tech person can be much better off than an regular engineer because they simply know the industry better. It all comes down to what you do with yoru degree. I have seen regular engineers take a engineering tech job, and they are happy with the position. It all depends on the goals you set.

That said, if you are going to engineering tech, do NOT go to Northeastern. They have, imho, one of the worst cirriculums for engineering tech students.