Just got accepted to DeVry University

[Ackbar]

Originally posted by: tcsenter
60 Minutes had a spot on IIT a while back, most IIT grads come to the US for graduate school. A few of the grads interviewed said their first year at IIT was harder than the entire graduate study program at Carnegie Mellon and MIT. They kept thinking the hard courses were yet to come...but they never came. lol!

I'm in a graduate field with lots of Asian international students, I have to say that few of them impress me. In Physics, if you go to any graduate department in any of the "great" schools and you see who is "making it", it'll probably be the domestic students.

I have spoken with several international students about this, in other countries they emphasize being able to do specific problems. For scientific fields, this skill is eventually useless since your life's work will never be just an old problem out of a book spun a different way. Most international students will admit that they do better in their coursework but lack the innovation in their research. So while they get A's in their classes they may just do average in the most important part of their graduate work, research. If you look at all the great physicists and all the faculty physicists at good schools you'll notice most are schooled in high school/undergrad from a western country. There's a good reason for this... in America, we teach innovation and not characteristic problem solving as other countries emphasize. In the end, no one cares if you can solve a hard problem everyone else has done, that's useless.

I don't want to get into a long argument about this... but trust me, Asian students often do well in coursework then flake out in research. And to those that think I have bias in my argument, let me say that I'm an Asian domestic graduate student so I have nothing against Asian methods of learning... it's just not the optimal one for higher learning, it's fine for high school and even college where all you do is problems out of a book (hence why you see that American schools always losing in standardized tests).

If anyone wants to argue with me about this, PM me since I'm not going to follow this thread.

 

[Ackbar]

To the OP: Congratulations! People put too much emphasis on the name of the school, I admit that I do the same thing. When I see someone from Harvard or Princeton, etc, I get impressed. But my philosophy is that education is what you get out of it. I know people that have gone to those schools and not learned anything, come out and work as a tech somewhere (I actually know someone who did this). I know people who went to decent schools and went out on their own to learn, they picked up the books and read and studied and educated themselves. They asked the important questions about how things worked...

You ask yourself one thing, do I need the school to baby sit me and give me problems that are "hard"? Or can I go out on my own and be my own limit to my potential? If you need a school to baby sit you and make sure you always have hard assignments and hard tests to "challenge" you, then maybe you need to go to one of those schools that are considered "good". If you challenge yourself and pick up books, go have discussions with professors and other students about the material and never limit yourself, then screw whatever anyone says and go to the college of your choice! I'm a strong believer that anyone can learn anything on their own, I have rarely ever had a class that made me think, "I'm glad I took this class b/c I couldn't have learned this on my own."

Good luck for your future success! Make sure that your energy and excitement continue into your schoolwork.

 

[LordMorpheus]

At the university level, you get out of a school what you put into it. Sure, its easier to get a really good education at, say, CalTech than it is at South Bumfvck Tech Communiity College, but if you apply yourself you will be on the same level as any other graduate. at least thats how I look at it.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Congrats. Education, where ever you get it, is always a good thing.

Just be sure you are challenging yourself, otherwise it may not be worth your time.

 

[Wadded Beef]

PCC is right across the street from Cal Tech so we try to tune out our professors and strain to hear what they're learning across the street lol

 

[CocoMunkee]

I'm a graduate of DeVry, Los Angeles(City of Indusrty) in 1991. I have a BS in Telecommunications. I now manage a Radiator Shop good luck.

 

[geckojohn]

congrats

 

[tm37]

I am not a huge fan of the vo ed for profit sector as I have worked with to Many "engineering" grads that had no idea how electrity worked and could not follow a circuit with a seeing eye dog.

Having said that it may get you in the door there and usually after that is is not so much where you learned it but what you learned. If you apply yourself you will be sucessfull if you apply yourself at your new job and can get the job done. Here is the bad part though. If you are up for a promoition and they have two equal candidates they will also look at education. Devry and Itt and the like usually don't have the requirements for course work outside your major that a traditional college would. Also you will miss out on the networking that occures in college. This can be very benificial when looking for jobs in later years people of sucess like to know people a while.

I failed out of cummunitiy college and then joined the Navy. I ran TWO SHOPS in the navy but could not move up because the people above me always had COLLEGE. I recently got the job because the customers CALLED THE COMPETITOR and told them to hire me.

They had to give me the job for me to come on board. So while college is not nessisarly required for sucess it can make the ride alot smoother.

 

[EverCraft]

DeVry eh? Ft. Washington. I just got out of my last semester there, though it was also my first. I honestly hated it. The amount of money I was dishing out the go there they made it seem like such an awesome place. I know the whole "not having to take bull sh!t classes" sounds nice at first, but all together not entirely true. My major was NSA (Network Systems Administration) and my first class of the day on tue. and thur. was PSYC110 intro to psychology, yea, I know I'll use that.

Anyways, another thing that will/might piss you off is that at least 3/8 of the staff there aren't american. A lot of the teaching staff english is their second language. Totally pissed me off because you don't know what they're trying to say, and they don't know how to say it.

One more thing too, You'll be taking classes that absolutely will not transfer any where else. Take COLL147 (Critical Thinking & Problem Solving) for example, over the fact that my teacher was from the middle east, I wanted to kill myself due to the 'pointlessness' of that class. Oh, and you'll spend about $300 on books for just that class.

Oh well, you do what you want, who am I to tell you any different. Have fun. Oh, I still have books from my first semester there. If you know what you're taking I can sell em to you at half the cost.

I worked there at the Help Desk in the E-Lab, say hi to Ethan for me ^_^

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: EverCraft
My major was NSA (Network Systems Administration) and my first class of the day on tue. and thur. was PSYC110 intro to psychology, yea, I know I'll use that.

Anyways, another thing that will/might piss you off is that at least 3/8 of the staff there aren't american. A lot of the teaching staff english is their second language.

I wanted to kill myself due to the 'pointlessness' of that class. Oh, and you'll spend about $300 on books for just that class.

Well well well....I guess DeVry isn't THAT much different than a "real" college after all
I have a friend going there....do you know Derosiers?

 

[EverCraft]

is he swedish?

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: EverCraft
is he swedish?

Don't think so. I mean, he may be of Swedish descent but he is a Montco native. PV or Schwenksville, I think.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: EverCraft
DeVry eh? Ft. Washington. I just got out of my last semester there, though it was also my first. I honestly hated it. The amount of money I was dishing out the go there they made it seem like such an awesome place. I know the whole "not having to take bull sh!t classes" sounds nice at first, but all together not entirely true. My major was NSA (Network Systems Administration) and my first class of the day on tue. and thur. was PSYC110 intro to psychology, yea, I know I'll use that.

Anyways, another thing that will/might piss you off is that at least 3/8 of the staff there aren't american. A lot of the teaching staff english is their second language. Totally pissed me off because you don't know what they're trying to say, and they don't know how to say it.

One more thing too, You'll be taking classes that absolutely will not transfer any where else. Take COLL147 (Critical Thinking & Problem Solving) for example, over the fact that my teacher was from the middle east, I wanted to kill myself due to the 'pointlessness' of that class. Oh, and you'll spend about $300 on books for just that class.

Oh well, you do what you want, who am I to tell you any different. Have fun. Oh, I still have books from my first semester there. If you know what you're taking I can sell em to you at half the cost.

I worked there at the Help Desk in the E-Lab, say hi to Ethan for me ^_^

That pretty much kills it for alot of folks

Hell even my Navy school I get some credits for

And they paid me to attend

 

[alent1234]

Originally posted by: Ackbar

Originally posted by: tcsenter
60 Minutes had a spot on IIT a while back, most IIT grads come to the US for graduate school. A few of the grads interviewed said their first year at IIT was harder than the entire graduate study program at Carnegie Mellon and MIT. They kept thinking the hard courses were yet to come...but they never came. lol!

I'm in a graduate field with lots of Asian international students, I have to say that few of them impress me. In Physics, if you go to any graduate department in any of the "great" schools and you see who is "making it", it'll probably be the domestic students.

I have spoken with several international students about this, in other countries they emphasize being able to do specific problems. For scientific fields, this skill is eventually useless since your life's work will never be just an old problem out of a book spun a different way. Most international students will admit that they do better in their coursework but lack the innovation in their research. So while they get A's in their classes they may just do average in the most important part of their graduate work, research. If you look at all the great physicists and all the faculty physicists at good schools you'll notice most are schooled in high school/undergrad from a western country. There's a good reason for this... in America, we teach innovation and not characteristic problem solving as other countries emphasize. In the end, no one cares if you can solve a hard problem everyone else has done, that's useless.

I don't want to get into a long argument about this... but trust me, Asian students often do well in coursework then flake out in research. And to those that think I have bias in my argument, let me say that I'm an Asian domestic graduate student so I have nothing against Asian methods of learning... it's just not the optimal one for higher learning, it's fine for high school and even college where all you do is problems out of a book (hence why you see that American schools always losing in standardized tests).

If anyone wants to argue with me about this, PM me since I'm not going to follow this thread.

I have heard this before. Asian students are great at sucking up info from books and regurgitating it for tests. But try to make them do something new and unique and the westerners outshine them.

 

[EverCraft]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: EverCraft
is he swedish?

Don't think so. I mean, he may be of Swedish descent but he is a Montco native. PV or Schwenksville, I think.

Is he a tall guy who's always kind scruffy. There was this guy in my PSYC110 class who's name sounds like "dare-e-us" ?

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: alent1234

Originally posted by: Ackbar

Originally posted by: tcsenter
60 Minutes had a spot on IIT a while back, most IIT grads come to the US for graduate school. A few of the grads interviewed said their first year at IIT was harder than the entire graduate study program at Carnegie Mellon and MIT. They kept thinking the hard courses were yet to come...but they never came. lol!

I'm in a graduate field with lots of Asian international students, I have to say that few of them impress me. In Physics, if you go to any graduate department in any of the "great" schools and you see who is "making it", it'll probably be the domestic students.

I have spoken with several international students about this, in other countries they emphasize being able to do specific problems. For scientific fields, this skill is eventually useless since your life's work will never be just an old problem out of a book spun a different way. Most international students will admit that they do better in their coursework but lack the innovation in their research. So while they get A's in their classes they may just do average in the most important part of their graduate work, research. If you look at all the great physicists and all the faculty physicists at good schools you'll notice most are schooled in high school/undergrad from a western country. There's a good reason for this... in America, we teach innovation and not characteristic problem solving as other countries emphasize. In the end, no one cares if you can solve a hard problem everyone else has done, that's useless.

I don't want to get into a long argument about this... but trust me, Asian students often do well in coursework then flake out in research. And to those that think I have bias in my argument, let me say that I'm an Asian domestic graduate student so I have nothing against Asian methods of learning... it's just not the optimal one for higher learning, it's fine for high school and even college where all you do is problems out of a book (hence why you see that American schools always losing in standardized tests).

If anyone wants to argue with me about this, PM me since I'm not going to follow this thread.

I have heard this before. Asian students are great at sucking up info from books and regurgitating it for tests. But try to make them do something new and unique and the westerners outshine them.

Great Job generalizing, Reggie White

 

[gaidensensei]

Originally posted by: alent1234

Originally posted by: Ackbar

Originally posted by: tcsenter
60 Minutes had a spot on IIT a while back, most IIT grads come to the US for graduate school. A few of the grads interviewed said their first year at IIT was harder than the entire graduate study program at Carnegie Mellon and MIT. They kept thinking the hard courses were yet to come...but they never came. lol!

I'm in a graduate field with lots of Asian international students, I have to say that few of them impress me. In Physics, if you go to any graduate department in any of the "great" schools and you see who is "making it", it'll probably be the domestic students.

I have spoken with several international students about this, in other countries they emphasize being able to do specific problems. For scientific fields, this skill is eventually useless since your life's work will never be just an old problem out of a book spun a different way. Most international students will admit that they do better in their coursework but lack the innovation in their research. So while they get A's in their classes they may just do average in the most important part of their graduate work, research. If you look at all the great physicists and all the faculty physicists at good schools you'll notice most are schooled in high school/undergrad from a western country. There's a good reason for this... in America, we teach innovation and not characteristic problem solving as other countries emphasize. In the end, no one cares if you can solve a hard problem everyone else has done, that's useless.

I don't want to get into a long argument about this... but trust me, Asian students often do well in coursework then flake out in research. And to those that think I have bias in my argument, let me say that I'm an Asian domestic graduate student so I have nothing against Asian methods of learning... it's just not the optimal one for higher learning, it's fine for high school and even college where all you do is problems out of a book (hence why you see that American schools always losing in standardized tests).

If anyone wants to argue with me about this, PM me since I'm not going to follow this thread.

I have heard this before. Asian students are great at sucking up info from books and regurgitating it for tests. But try to make them do something new and unique and the westerners outshine them.

I think that there is a difference between Asian students,
1st generations, people who are born outside the US, still do keep much of their original culture values and traditions.
the 1.5 generation happens to be kids who moved over before the age of 12. These still no doubt are likely to follow their parents and stuff, but often may be hard to see the difference between a 2nd generation, which are already born in the US and natural citizens.

Looking at the culture of Asians - to which a majority always have lived a very troubled life - Khmer in Cambodia, Vietnam conflicts, China's poverty, etc. The parents who have gone through that kind of stuff all know what's it like being poor, which is why probably a lot of them migrated to the US.

However, I think some Asian students simply tend to choose a major because their folks want them to. Parents saw themselves experiencing income inequality due to their racial stereotypes. Watch how Asians are depicted on non-asian TV channels, you usually see it's too extreme in different ways. So as a result, they urge their kids to do GOOD in hard major stuff - such as ICS (comp sci), EE (electrical engineering), bio, medical, ETC. This is because these jobs depend on skills more than anything else - if you've got the smarts, then that all that matters.

So as a result kids take these topics against their consent or will to be able to choose freely. This can be an exception for 2nd generation or after, because they generally tend to associate more with American tradition than their origins. And you know how it is when you take something or work on something you don't like - some people work hard to get it done, but without enthusiasm since it is not their kind of thing.

 

[dendrofrogger]

*sighs* days at RIT remembered......

 

[MustangSVT]

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: newbiepcuser
You have to get accepted to get into Devry?

I guess congrats then.

:| Bring it punk.

yeah I was wondering the same..

 

[Lacyboi]

What are u studying???

 

[MustangSVT]

Originally posted by: Lacyboi
What are u studying???

please go back to jr.high .

 

[razor2025]

BLAH, School's rep is nothing. It's all about WHAT you learn and WHAT oppurtunity you can grasp.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: MustangSVT

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: newbiepcuser
You have to get accepted to get into Devry?

I guess congrats then.

:| Bring it punk.

yeah I was wondering the same..

But no seriously, does DeVry actually have an admissions processs that weeds out people?

 

[charles555]

Yo YO w0rd - I think the life lesson for the OP and anyone else who is looking into their educational fate is this:

DON'T WORK FOR STEREOTYPING, JUDGEMENTAL BASTARDS, like some of these critics. I personally think the smile on your face and the clothes you wear have more of an impact in the real-world (job market, and otherwise). Only Snobs will want to hire snobs, and analogous to other walks of life, if you are true, you will attract likeable people.

Also, I agree with whoever made the point about your past job pay. Unless you are in a special situation, where you have leverage to demand more (such as a specialized degree and experience).

little story - There was an English teacher at my high school who dressed like a homeless person. He was scatter-brained, and everyday he wore a wrinkled 1/4 width tie with a pink flamingo on it. None of the kids took him seriously. His class was nap time! (not for me) Guess where he went to school? He went to cornell. So, it depends. I believe in oneness; If you're gonna be in high school with jokes like EyeMWing over there, then you want to do yourself justice.

 

[acadia11]

You are a 40 year old man working at Mc Donald's. Don't bother with this whole Devry thing, slit your wrist now and save us all the heartache of having to worry about you
getting out on the streets at night. Better do it quick before you reproduce, if you haven't done so already, if you have we'll certainly all turn a deaf ear if you and your progeny
decide to take a rafting trip down the coloroda river without life vest of course. So long as you promise to bring along that bowing knife to do the deed, you can wear one (your choice), but the kids are on their own. If they make it out alive, well, then I'll say they are fit to join masses unlike their father, the uh ... rapid mobile cuisine technician.

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