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[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
There should be no background check, no ID, no training required, no database, and no tests period.

"...shall not be infringed" <-- that means altered, convoluted, changed, weakened, or modified in any way. It also means any law passed relating to arms (not just guns), is invalid ab initio, because the Constitution supersedes all law. Basically every gun statute on the books in this country at any level, city, county, state, or federal is invalid, including ones that relate to cannons, high explosives, automatic weapons, etc.

The amendment exists for three purposes. 1. Crime reduction. The idea was that it is everyone's responsibility to prevent crime and to find and arrest criminals in the event a crime took place. 2. Civil defense against foreign or domestic invaders. 3. Tyranny prevention. This is the most important aspect of the amendment; an armed populace would suffer no kings. It is the issue written about most extensively by the FFs.

Funny how we are sold the notion that arms should be regulated by the very people who have the most to lose by keeping them free. Hilarious.

No ID? So any kid should be able to buy a gun? What about convicted criminals? Or foreigners on vacation or illegally living here?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. I have a gun in my pocket what do I care if everyone else does too. That's the idea. Just stay afraid of what they tell you to be afraid of.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
There should be no background check, no ID, no training required, no database, and no tests period.

"...shall not be infringed" <-- that means altered, convoluted, changed, weakened, or modified in any way. It also means any law passed relating to arms (not just guns), is invalid ab initio, because the Constitution supersedes all law. Basically every gun statute on the books in this country at any level, city, county, state, or federal is invalid, including ones that relate to cannons, high explosives, automatic weapons, etc.

The amendment exists for three purposes. 1. Crime reduction. The idea was that it is everyone's responsibility to prevent crime and to find and arrest criminals in the event a crime took place. 2. Civil defense against foreign or domestic invaders. 3. Tyranny prevention. This is the most important aspect of the amendment; an armed populace would suffer no kings. It is the issue written about most extensively by the FFs.

Funny how we are sold the notion that arms should be regulated by the very people who have the most to lose by keeping them free. Hilarious.

No ID? So any kid should be able to buy a gun? What about convicted criminals? Or foreigners on vacation or illegally living here?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. I have a gun in my pocket what do I care if everyone else does too. That's the idea. Just stay afraid of what they tell you to be afraid of.

LOL. A gun won't protect you from a criminal with a gun. Criminals have the element of surprise on their side. We also need to end gun smuggling from the US to other countries (Mexico in particular). There's no reason to allow children to purchase guns. They should be able to use then with their parents' approval, but that's it.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: n yusefThey should be able to use then with their parents' approval, but that's it.

Isn't that true with, well, anything? The parent/guardian always has the final say... why require a law?

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
There should be no background check, no ID, no training required, no database, and no tests period.

"...shall not be infringed" <-- that means altered, convoluted, changed, weakened, or modified in any way. It also means any law passed relating to arms (not just guns), is invalid ab initio, because the Constitution supersedes all law. Basically every gun statute on the books in this country at any level, city, county, state, or federal is invalid, including ones that relate to cannons, high explosives, automatic weapons, etc.

The amendment exists for three purposes. 1. Crime reduction. The idea was that it is everyone's responsibility to prevent crime and to find and arrest criminals in the event a crime took place. 2. Civil defense against foreign or domestic invaders. 3. Tyranny prevention. This is the most important aspect of the amendment; an armed populace would suffer no kings. It is the issue written about most extensively by the FFs.

Funny how we are sold the notion that arms should be regulated by the very people who have the most to lose by keeping them free. Hilarious.

No ID? So any kid should be able to buy a gun? What about convicted criminals? Or foreigners on vacation or illegally living here?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. I have a gun in my pocket what do I care if everyone else does too. That's the idea. Just stay afraid of what they tell you to be afraid of.

LOL. A gun won't protect you from a criminal with a gun. Criminals have the element of surprise on their side. We also need to end gun smuggling from the US to other countries (Mexico in particular). There's no reason to allow children to purchase guns. They should be able to use then with their parents' approval, but that's it.

Pretty sure the law is related only to adults...

What criminals? Everyone would be potentially armed? You going to continue to rob people when you might get killed at any time by almost anyone?

The facts are this, the crime rates drop dramatically wherever concealed carry is approved, and rise wherever it is proscribed.

The constitution is CLEAR about what laws Congress may pass regarding arm, none. The Constitution is clear on what laws supersede others, and the Constitution itself, which contains amendment 2, supersedes all law.

Regardless of what YOU think makes sense, the laws is clear. What doesn't make any sense is why we have any state guns restrictions, nor how we got them, and especially why we abide by them at all. The only way they can become valid is through further amendment. Good luck getting 3/4 of the states to agree on anything.

Also, my grandfather was an avid hunter and field guide by the age of 12. He hunted solo from the age of 9. We shelter children far more than necessary, and we deem then far less capable than they really are. I fired my first gun at the age of 4, but I was quite ready for it by then. It's all about education.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: n yusefThey should be able to use then with their parents' approval, but that's it.

Isn't that true with, well, anything? The parent/guardian always has the final say... why require a law?

I was just disagreeing with the guy who thought that we shouldn't regulate guns at all.

 

[sourceninja]

Wow that state is tough, in IN you can get a lifetime permit for about 130 bucks and some fingerprints. No interview, no FBI background check that takes 11 weeks. Just fill it out, drop it off and get fingerprinted, done. Shows up in the mail in 90 days or so.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: n yusefThey should be able to use then with their parents' approval, but that's it.

Isn't that true with, well, anything? The parent/guardian always has the final say... why require a law?

I was just disagreeing with the guy who thought that we shouldn't regulate guns at all.

And I'm asking why regulation is needed in the first place.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: Unheard
No permit here to buy. Just a 3 minute phone BG check.

Same here, but I live in OR.

It is nice just to be able grab anything I want out of the case and walk out with it within 10 minutes.

My carry permit did not require any class since I have a DD-214, and is only a $50 fee. They took my photo in the sheriffs department last time I got it renewed, and I was told I could pick it up a few days later when it got signed.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: n yusefThey should be able to use then with their parents' approval, but that's it.

Isn't that true with, well, anything? The parent/guardian always has the final say... why require a law?

I was just disagreeing with the guy who thought that we shouldn't regulate guns at all.

And I'm asking why regulation is needed in the first place.

I think guns should be regulated at least as much as tobacco or alcohol, maybe as much as automobiles. That is to say, I don't think that kids should be able to buy them, but it's generally legal to feed your kid wine and cigarettes.

 

[zinfamous]

Just remember not to shoot anyone on your way over there. That might slow the process by a few days.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
There should be no background check, no ID, no training required, no database, and no tests period.

"...shall not be infringed" <-- that means altered, convoluted, changed, weakened, or modified in any way. It also means any law passed relating to arms (not just guns), is invalid ab initio, because the Constitution supersedes all law. Basically every gun statute on the books in this country at any level, city, county, state, or federal is invalid, including ones that relate to cannons, high explosives, automatic weapons, etc.

The amendment exists for three purposes. 1. Crime reduction. The idea was that it is everyone's responsibility to prevent crime and to find and arrest criminals in the event a crime took place. 2. Civil defense against foreign or domestic invaders. 3. Tyranny prevention. This is the most important aspect of the amendment; an armed populace would suffer no kings. It is the issue written about most extensively by the FFs.

Funny how we are sold the notion that arms should be regulated by the very people who have the most to lose by keeping them free. Hilarious.

No ID? So any kid should be able to buy a gun? What about convicted criminals? Or foreigners on vacation or illegally living here?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. I have a gun in my pocket what do I care if everyone else does too. That's the idea. Just stay afraid of what they tell you to be afraid of.

LOL. A gun won't protect you from a criminal with a gun. Criminals have the element of surprise on their side. We also need to end gun smuggling from the US to other countries (Mexico in particular). There's no reason to allow children to purchase guns. They should be able to use then with their parents' approval, but that's it.

Millions of citizens have had encounters which disagree with you.

 

[duragezic]

I'm in NY, and looked into just an ownership permit, but I don't understand the requirements. The sheriff's website simply says 21 years old, fee, etc. But AR-15.com spells out all kinds of requirements, more or less what you had to go through, or what you'd expect for a CCW.

From what I've read, I might be able to own one a pistol for recreation use only, in 3 years, simply from a requirement of being a resident in the county for 3 years. Then there's the references you've known for years in the same county, background/mental health/fingerprints, everything. :roll:

And getting a rifle like a AR-15, among other things, it is limited to a 10 round magazine! For range use only, I think limited to 10 rounds would get to be so tedious that I'd not bother to spend $1000+ just for that.

I'm hoping the information I read online is wrong. I need to go into the sheriff's office to ask them.

 

[SlitheryDee]

You didn't forget to tell them how mad you are did you? I hear they speed things up when you do that.

 

[pontifex]

PA:

1. go to sheriff's office and get forms.
2. fill out forms and submit with a head and shoulder photo of yourself.
3. wait about 1 month
4. if you pass the checks, go back to sheriff's office and pay him $19 (you can get it laminated but you have to pay a little extra but i can't remind if it was $19 for the laminated license or not.) and take your license home
5. start carrying

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
There should be no background check, no ID, no training required, no database, and no tests period.

"...shall not be infringed" <-- that means altered, convoluted, changed, weakened, or modified in any way. It also means any law passed relating to arms (not just guns), is invalid ab initio, because the Constitution supersedes all law. Basically every gun statute on the books in this country at any level, city, county, state, or federal is invalid, including ones that relate to cannons, high explosives, automatic weapons, etc.

The amendment exists for three purposes. 1. Crime reduction. The idea was that it is everyone's responsibility to prevent crime and to find and arrest criminals in the event a crime took place. 2. Civil defense against foreign or domestic invaders. 3. Tyranny prevention. This is the most important aspect of the amendment; an armed populace would suffer no kings. It is the issue written about most extensively by the FFs.

Funny how we are sold the notion that arms should be regulated by the very people who have the most to lose by keeping them free. Hilarious.

No ID? So any kid should be able to buy a gun? What about convicted criminals? Or foreigners on vacation or illegally living here?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. I have a gun in my pocket what do I care if everyone else does too. That's the idea. Just stay afraid of what they tell you to be afraid of.

LOL. A gun won't protect you from a criminal with a gun. Criminals have the element of surprise on their side. We also need to end gun smuggling from the US to other countries (Mexico in particular). There's no reason to allow children to purchase guns. They should be able to use then with their parents' approval, but that's it.

Millions of citizens have had encounters which disagree with you.

Millions? I'm not talking about someone breaking into your house and you protecting yourself with a firearm. That's not the same as somebody putting a gun in your face before you can react, and miraculously shooting him before he gets you. I support gun rights, but not internet tough guys who think a pistol makes them invulnerable.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Genx87
MN you fill out paperwork and they send it to you in the mail. You do this at your police station or in my case the sheriffs office since we dont have a local PD. They claim it will take 2 weeks. We will see. I need it for my new AR15.

I just got my purchase permit in December. Went down the Mpls PD, filled out the paperwork, had it in less than two weeks.

Did they mail it out to you or did you have to go down and pick it up? I am going to give the Wiright county sheriffs office a call tomorrow.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
There should be no background check, no ID, no training required, no database, and no tests period.

"...shall not be infringed" <-- that means altered, convoluted, changed, weakened, or modified in any way. It also means any law passed relating to arms (not just guns), is invalid ab initio, because the Constitution supersedes all law. Basically every gun statute on the books in this country at any level, city, county, state, or federal is invalid, including ones that relate to cannons, high explosives, automatic weapons, etc.

The amendment exists for three purposes. 1. Crime reduction. The idea was that it is everyone's responsibility to prevent crime and to find and arrest criminals in the event a crime took place. 2. Civil defense against foreign or domestic invaders. 3. Tyranny prevention. This is the most important aspect of the amendment; an armed populace would suffer no kings. It is the issue written about most extensively by the FFs.

Funny how we are sold the notion that arms should be regulated by the very people who have the most to lose by keeping them free. Hilarious.

No ID? So any kid should be able to buy a gun? What about convicted criminals? Or foreigners on vacation or illegally living here?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. I have a gun in my pocket what do I care if everyone else does too. That's the idea. Just stay afraid of what they tell you to be afraid of.

LOL. A gun won't protect you from a criminal with a gun. Criminals have the element of surprise on their side. We also need to end gun smuggling from the US to other countries (Mexico in particular). There's no reason to allow children to purchase guns. They should be able to use then with their parents' approval, but that's it.

Millions of citizens have had encounters which disagree with you.

Millions? I'm not talking about someone breaking into your house and you protecting yourself with a firearm. That's not the same as somebody putting a gun in your face before you can react, and miraculously shooting him before he gets you. I support gun rights, but not internet tough guys who think a pistol makes them invulnerable.

i don't see anyone here who's said that.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
There should be no background check, no ID, no training required, no database, and no tests period.

"...shall not be infringed" <-- that means altered, convoluted, changed, weakened, or modified in any way. It also means any law passed relating to arms (not just guns), is invalid ab initio, because the Constitution supersedes all law. Basically every gun statute on the books in this country at any level, city, county, state, or federal is invalid, including ones that relate to cannons, high explosives, automatic weapons, etc.

The amendment exists for three purposes. 1. Crime reduction. The idea was that it is everyone's responsibility to prevent crime and to find and arrest criminals in the event a crime took place. 2. Civil defense against foreign or domestic invaders. 3. Tyranny prevention. This is the most important aspect of the amendment; an armed populace would suffer no kings. It is the issue written about most extensively by the FFs.

Funny how we are sold the notion that arms should be regulated by the very people who have the most to lose by keeping them free. Hilarious.

No ID? So any kid should be able to buy a gun? What about convicted criminals? Or foreigners on vacation or illegally living here?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. I have a gun in my pocket what do I care if everyone else does too. That's the idea. Just stay afraid of what they tell you to be afraid of.

LOL. A gun won't protect you from a criminal with a gun. Criminals have the element of surprise on their side. We also need to end gun smuggling from the US to other countries (Mexico in particular). There's no reason to allow children to purchase guns. They should be able to use then with their parents' approval, but that's it.

Millions of citizens have had encounters which disagree with you.

Millions? I'm not talking about someone breaking into your house and you protecting yourself with a firearm. That's not the same as somebody putting a gun in your face before you can react, and miraculously shooting him before he gets you. I support gun rights, but not internet tough guys who think a pistol makes them invulnerable.

i don't see anyone here who's said that.

See bolded. He thinks that everyone having guns (convicts and illegal immigrants) is good, and there's no reason to be afraid, because he has a gun as well.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
There should be no background check, no ID, no training required, no database, and no tests period.

"...shall not be infringed" <-- that means altered, convoluted, changed, weakened, or modified in any way. It also means any law passed relating to arms (not just guns), is invalid ab initio, because the Constitution supersedes all law. Basically every gun statute on the books in this country at any level, city, county, state, or federal is invalid, including ones that relate to cannons, high explosives, automatic weapons, etc.

The amendment exists for three purposes. 1. Crime reduction. The idea was that it is everyone's responsibility to prevent crime and to find and arrest criminals in the event a crime took place. 2. Civil defense against foreign or domestic invaders. 3. Tyranny prevention. This is the most important aspect of the amendment; an armed populace would suffer no kings. It is the issue written about most extensively by the FFs.

Funny how we are sold the notion that arms should be regulated by the very people who have the most to lose by keeping them free. Hilarious.

No ID? So any kid should be able to buy a gun? What about convicted criminals? Or foreigners on vacation or illegally living here?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. I have a gun in my pocket what do I care if everyone else does too. That's the idea. Just stay afraid of what they tell you to be afraid of.

LOL. A gun won't protect you from a criminal with a gun. Criminals have the element of surprise on their side. We also need to end gun smuggling from the US to other countries (Mexico in particular). There's no reason to allow children to purchase guns. They should be able to use then with their parents' approval, but that's it.

Millions of citizens have had encounters which disagree with you.

Millions? I'm not talking about someone breaking into your house and you protecting yourself with a firearm. That's not the same as somebody putting a gun in your face before you can react, and miraculously shooting him before he gets you. I support gun rights, but not internet tough guys who think a pistol makes them invulnerable.

Over the years it's definitely millions. I read a dozen stories a day about it.

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[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
There should be no background check, no ID, no training required, no database, and no tests period.

"...shall not be infringed" <-- that means altered, convoluted, changed, weakened, or modified in any way. It also means any law passed relating to arms (not just guns), is invalid ab initio, because the Constitution supersedes all law. Basically every gun statute on the books in this country at any level, city, county, state, or federal is invalid, including ones that relate to cannons, high explosives, automatic weapons, etc.

The amendment exists for three purposes. 1. Crime reduction. The idea was that it is everyone's responsibility to prevent crime and to find and arrest criminals in the event a crime took place. 2. Civil defense against foreign or domestic invaders. 3. Tyranny prevention. This is the most important aspect of the amendment; an armed populace would suffer no kings. It is the issue written about most extensively by the FFs.

Funny how we are sold the notion that arms should be regulated by the very people who have the most to lose by keeping them free. Hilarious.

No ID? So any kid should be able to buy a gun? What about convicted criminals? Or foreigners on vacation or illegally living here?

Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. I have a gun in my pocket what do I care if everyone else does too. That's the idea. Just stay afraid of what they tell you to be afraid of.

LOL. A gun won't protect you from a criminal with a gun. Criminals have the element of surprise on their side. We also need to end gun smuggling from the US to other countries (Mexico in particular). There's no reason to allow children to purchase guns. They should be able to use then with their parents' approval, but that's it.

Millions of citizens have had encounters which disagree with you.

Millions? I'm not talking about someone breaking into your house and you protecting yourself with a firearm. That's not the same as somebody putting a gun in your face before you can react, and miraculously shooting him before he gets you. I support gun rights, but not internet tough guys who think a pistol makes them invulnerable.

i don't see anyone here who's said that.

See bolded. He thinks that everyone having guns (convicts and illegal immigrants) is good, and there's no reason to be afraid, because he has a gun as well.

Far less reason to be afraid when you're capable of handling a situation, than when you're not.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: duragezic
I'm in NY, and looked into just an ownership permit, but I don't understand the requirements. The sheriff's website simply says 21 years old, fee, etc. But AR-15.com spells out all kinds of requirements, more or less what you had to go through, or what you'd expect for a CCW.

From what I've read, I might be able to own one a pistol for recreation use only, in 3 years, simply from a requirement of being a resident in the county for 3 years. Then there's the references you've known for years in the same county, background/mental health/fingerprints, everything. :roll:

And getting a rifle like a AR-15, among other things, it is limited to a 10 round magazine! For range use only, I think limited to 10 rounds would get to be so tedious that I'd not bother to spend $1000+ just for that.

I'm hoping the information I read online is wrong. I need to go into the sheriff's office to ask them.

You live in one of the funny states (I think CT is one as well) that has very restrictive ownership laws.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
You didn't forget to tell them how mad you are did you? I hear they speed things up when you do that.

who is mad?

 

[Barfo]

pics of hot female police officer?

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
You didn't forget to tell them how mad you are did you? I hear they speed things up when you do that.

who is mad?

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[l0cke]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim


They said this takes 11 weeks right now. Is this normal? What are they checking?

They google for your name and read all of your AT posts