Just got back from the police station

[marrr]

I live in CT and im in the process of trying to finish my app. I hate that I have to get 3 character reference affidavits filled out by 3 people and 1 has to be a supervisor at work. Then they have to go out of there way and get the paper notarized. Oh well once I get this part done all I need to do is finger prints then hand it in.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: mar23
I live in CT and im in the process of trying to finish my app. I hate that I have to get 3 character reference affidavits filled out by 3 people and 1 has to be a supervisor at work. Then they have to go out of there way and get the paper notarized. Oh well once I get this part done all I need to do is finger prints then hand it in.

That must be a town requirement. I was not required to do any character references

 

[Venix]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
The constitution is CLEAR about what laws Congress may pass regarding arm, none. The Constitution is clear on what laws supersede others, and the Constitution itself, which contains amendment 2, supersedes all law.

Regardless of what YOU think makes sense, the laws is clear. What doesn't make any sense is why we have any state guns restrictions, nor how we got them, and especially why we abide by them at all. The only way they can become valid is through further amendment. Good luck getting 3/4 of the states to agree on anything.

"Our later decisions in Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252, 265 (1886) and Miller v. Texas, 153 U.S. 535, 538 (1894), reaffirmed that the Second Amendment applies only to the Federal Government." -- US Supreme Court, District of Columbia v. Heller (2008)

This article provides a decent explanation of the historical and current status of the incorporation of the Bill of Rights against the states. Note that when the Bill of Rights was written, none of the amendments were intended to apply to state governments.

 

[Xylitol]

i want one but i don't want my fingerprint to be part of a nationwide database. this is the reason why
i will not work with kids when i grow older (unfortunately, i kind of want to become a high school teacher)

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: NightDarker
OP: It sounds like you are getting a CCW permit as opposed to a "handling" permit -- meaning the ability to buy, lease, or rent a pistol.

I refuse to live in a state that requires a "handling permit". Actually haven't heard of one 'till today.

Originally posted by: schmedy
Process here in Vermont:
Are you 21 and can own a firearm and pass the background check when they call it in?
You now own a firearm....if you are allowed to own it, you are allowed to carry concealed in Vermont...
You will spend more time picking out things then "the process"

Bad thing here is since there is no permit to carry concealed, no other state recognizes us to carry there, where as in CT, you my find out some states will accept your CCW and if you are visiting you may carry there....but of course check local laws, and transport laws of every state your drive thru.

Get a NH permit, then.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Xylitol
i want one but i don't want my fingerprint to be part of a nationwide database. this is the reason why
i will not work with kids when i grow older (unfortunately, i kind of want to become a high school teacher)

Good luck doing that without getting fingerprinted.

 

[Legendary]

The constitutional scholars always come out in the gun threads

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

LOL @ give everybody guns

I understand the arguement, but don't believe we should get rid of regulation of the gun market. I, for one, don't want a convicted felon being able to legally CCW.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
LOL @ give everybody guns

I understand the arguement, but don't believe we should get rid of regulation of the gun market. I, for one, don't want a convicted felon being able to legally CCW.

So, they are "allowed" to exercise all of their other rights after paying their debt to society, but not the second amendment?

Also, you do realize that you can receive a felony charge for a lot of stupid things.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
LOL @ give everybody guns

I understand the arguement, but don't believe we should get rid of regulation of the gun market. I, for one, don't want a convicted felon being able to legally CCW.

So, they are "allowed" to exercise all of their other rights after paying their debt to society, but not the second amendment?

Also, you do realize that you can receive a felony charge for a lot of stupid things.

Exhibit A: In CT if you have your CCW permit its a felony if you don't notify the department of public safety within 48 hours of an address change!

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
LOL @ give everybody guns

I understand the arguement, but don't believe we should get rid of regulation of the gun market. I, for one, don't want a convicted felon being able to legally CCW.

So, they are "allowed" to exercise all of their other rights after paying their debt to society, but not the second amendment?

Also, you do realize that you can receive a felony charge for a lot of stupid things.

Exhibit A: In CT if you have your CCW permit its a felony if you don't notify the department of public safety within 24 hours of an address change!

Exactly my point. You can receive a felony charge for almost anything these days. It is hardly a measure of one's aptitude to handle a firearm without a committing a crime.

 

[phoenix79]

In Alabama I went to the Sheriff's office, filled out the half-page application, paid my $10, went back when they called me 6 weeks later (they were backed up) and picked it up. No class requirement or anything. One of the neighboring counties just put their application process online.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: n yusef

See bolded. He thinks that everyone having guns (convicts and illegal immigrants) is good, and there's no reason to be afraid, because he has a gun as well.

Tough guy, eh? LOL Try and miss the point more. ...and yes so often people just come and stick a gun against the back of your head, and boom it's over, you never had a chance... LOL what!?!?! Breathtaking logic.

All I said is that guns should be available to everyone under current law, and when they are regulation is unnecessary. Everyone should be responsible for themselves, then responsible for their community. More people end up dead WITH gun regulation than WITHOUT it, and the logic behind regulation is to save lives, so that's a total fail, and as any fail should be, it should be cast aside. The problem becomes people who defend their ideas even when they CLEARLY don't work.

States rights outweigh the Constitution, lol, no.

 

[marrr]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: mar23
I live in CT and im in the process of trying to finish my app. I hate that I have to get 3 character reference affidavits filled out by 3 people and 1 has to be a supervisor at work. Then they have to go out of there way and get the paper notarized. Oh well once I get this part done all I need to do is finger prints then hand it in.

That must be a town requirement. I was not required to do any character references

Yea Bridgeport sucks..

 

[IceBergSLiM]

So here we are almost a full 3 months later and I finally got a call yesterday at my desk from the investigating officer in my Town. She was completing my background check and had to verify a few things with me. She also asked me to clarify my work supervisor's phone number, I guess they really do validate your employment. She said she was waiting for one more thing but everything should be in front of the Police chief for sign off within a couple days.

About time...super excited to finally have it.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: NightDarker
OP: It sounds like you are getting a CCW permit as opposed to a "handling" permit -- meaning the ability to buy, lease, or rent a pistol.

I refuse to live in a state that requires a "handling permit". Actually haven't heard of one 'till today.

Originally posted by: schmedy
Process here in Vermont:
Are you 21 and can own a firearm and pass the background check when they call it in?
You now own a firearm....if you are allowed to own it, you are allowed to carry concealed in Vermont...
You will spend more time picking out things then "the process"

Bad thing here is since there is no permit to carry concealed, no other state recognizes us to carry there, where as in CT, you my find out some states will accept your CCW and if you are visiting you may carry there....but of course check local laws, and transport laws of every state your drive thru.

Get a NH permit, then.

For an out of state person to obtain an NH permit, I believe that requires (among other things) three references, unclear as to them being NH residents or anywhere.

 

[LS8]

I live in Florida.

Semi-automatic pistol or revolver purchase, transfer or ownership = no licensing or registration.
Semi-automatic rifle, Semi-automatic machine gun or shotgun = no licensing or registration.
Open carry of semi-automatic pistol or revolver = legal, no licensing or registration (most municipalities have banned this at the local level however).
Concealed carry of semi-automatic pistols or revolver = state require licensing.

Nice to live in a free state. =)

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Venix

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS
The constitution is CLEAR about what laws Congress may pass regarding arm, none. The Constitution is clear on what laws supersede others, and the Constitution itself, which contains amendment 2, supersedes all law.

Regardless of what YOU think makes sense, the laws is clear. What doesn't make any sense is why we have any state guns restrictions, nor how we got them, and especially why we abide by them at all. The only way they can become valid is through further amendment. Good luck getting 3/4 of the states to agree on anything.

"Our later decisions in Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252, 265 (1886) and Miller v. Texas, 153 U.S. 535, 538 (1894), reaffirmed that the Second Amendment applies only to the Federal Government." -- US Supreme Court, District of Columbia v. Heller (2008)

This article provides a decent explanation of the historical and current status of the incorporation of the Bill of Rights against the states. Note that when the Bill of Rights was written, none of the amendments were intended to apply to state governments.

The court upholding the conviction, reaffirmed Cruikshank v. U.S. and stated: "And if the fourteenth amendment limited the power of the states as to such rights, as pertaining to citizens of the United States, we think it was fatal to this claim that it was not set up in the trial court." In other words the court wouldn't even consider whether Miller's rights had been violated under the Fourteenth Amendment because he had not filed such a claim in his original trial.

The Fourteenth Amendment changed everything. Now ALL rights apply to the states.

You cannot pick and choose, claiming that racial/religious civil rights and First Amendment rights apply, but the right to bear arms does not. You cannot argue that the right to be free of unreasonable search and seizure applies, but the Second Amendment does not.

 

[marrr]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
So here we are almost a full 3 months later and I finally got a call yesterday at my desk from the investigating officer in my Town. She was completing my background check and had to verify a few things with me. She also asked me to clarify my work supervisor's phone number, I guess they really do validate your employment. She said she was waiting for one more thing but everything should be in front of the Police chief for sign off within a couple days.

About time...super excited to finally have it.

Thats cool, I'm still waiting to hear something about mine.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: mar23

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
So here we are almost a full 3 months later and I finally got a call yesterday at my desk from the investigating officer in my Town. She was completing my background check and had to verify a few things with me. She also asked me to clarify my work supervisor's phone number, I guess they really do validate your employment. She said she was waiting for one more thing but everything should be in front of the Police chief for sign off within a couple days.

About time...super excited to finally have it.

Thats cool, I'm still waiting to hear something about mine.

Wow, so it takes you over 3 months to be able to get a permit to carry a gun, while the common street thug down the street can get it in 15 minutes -- basically, the time it takes for him to retrieve it from his night stand... great...

 

[schmedy]

Originally posted by: LS8
I live in Florida.

Semi-automatic pistol or revolver purchase, transfer or ownership = no licensing or registration.
Semi-automatic rifle, Semi-automatic machine gun or shotgun = no licensing or registration.
Open carry of semi-automatic pistol or revolver = legal, no licensing or registration (most municipalities have banned this at the local level however).
Concealed carry of semi-automatic pistols or revolver = state require licensing.

Nice to live in a free state. =)

What the heck is a semi-automatic machine gun?
If by some way you mean a real machine gun, federal law trumps that, but I am guessing you mean semi auto rifle or long gun.

 

[Barrak]

For PA, fill out a form with your basic info, show a valid drivers liscense, pay $30. One month later go pick it up. I assume they run a background check during that time.

 

[Kirby]

AL: Form, 3 days, and 20 bucks. They even laminate it for you.

This is a CCL btw.

 

[Possessed Freak]

Jesus, it took me all of 10 minutes to get mine... start to finish. Thank goodness I live in PA. They did my background check onsite while I waited (no different then the 3 firearms I purchased) and 10 minutes later I have my License to Carry.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS


Pretty sure the law is related only to adults...

What criminals? Everyone would be potentially armed? You going to continue to rob people when you might get killed at any time by almost anyone?

The facts are this, the crime rates drop dramatically wherever concealed carry is approved, and rise wherever it is proscribed.

az is open carry and fairly easy to get a ccw in... crime still exists, despite a bunch of people carrying guns. sure, it may be lower by a large amount, but its still there.

and the laws apply to children as well, cant own a hand gun until youre 18.