Just got back from the Trump rally/protest

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compuwiz1

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I'm all for fining the crap out of employers, I'm fine with auditing them more. I do feel a wall is a waste of time but I'm alright with the idea. From what I've read a wall will cost around 9 billion and 300-500 million a year to maintain and staff. I'll pay some extra taxes for that but I do expect something in return. What would you be willing to give in return for a wall?

If we curbed illegal immigration, wouldn't we save enough money to pay for and maintain the wall? Seems we spend billions on illegals, for services they are provided, such as hospitalization, when they come to deliver an anchor baby. What about the cost of EBT cards, WIC, EIC, free after school programs, daycare, housing subsidies, etc?

I'd be ok with paying a little more in taxes, but I think we can pay for it out of what we save.
 

JSt0rm

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If we curbed illegal immigration, wouldn't we save enough money to pay for and maintain the wall? Seems we spend billions on illegals, for services they are provided, such as hospitalization, when they come to deliver an anchor baby. What about the cost of EBT cards, WIC, EIC, free after school programs, daycare, housing subsidies, etc?

I'd be ok with paying a little more in taxes, but I think we can pay for it out of what we save.


Except statistically the number of illegals has been stagnant for the last 10 years.
 

jackstar7

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If we curbed illegal immigration, wouldn't we save enough money to pay for and maintain the wall? Seems we spend billions on illegals, for services they are provided, such as hospitalization, when they come to deliver an anchor baby. What about the cost of EBT cards, WIC, EIC, free after school programs, daycare, housing subsidies, etc?

I'd be ok with paying a little more in taxes, but I think we can pay for it out of what we save.

You're not correct.
 

IGBT

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Trump is proposing an action, crackdown on illegals, that would spark massive violent rebellion. A little blood at protests is nothing compared to him actually attempting to implement his ideas.



enforce the law and they will self deport..the same way they got here.
 
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Do we really want to give the government the power to control who can and who cannot have a job? How many people have been put on the no fly list by accident?
And for the wall, not only is that a boondoggle of absurd proportions, it is also the very incarnation of tyranny. We do that and we will no longer be a free country.

We've had e-verify for years
 
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If we curbed illegal immigration, wouldn't we save enough money to pay for and maintain the wall? Seems we spend billions on illegals, for services they are provided, such as hospitalization, when they come to deliver an anchor baby. What about the cost of EBT cards, WIC, EIC, free after school programs, daycare, housing subsidies, etc?

I'd be ok with paying a little more in taxes, but I think we can pay for it out of what we save.

You're not giving anything you're just saying you'd be willing to pay for it which is assumed.
 

AnonymouseUser

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When is Trump going to denounce his support from white supremacist groups? When is he going to denounce his antisemitic supporters that are attacking Jewish members of the media?

He did just that last night...

Addressing a number of incidents online in which his avowed supporters have targeted Israel, Jewish figures and journalists, Trump said in a statement that “anti-Semitism has no place our society, which needs to be united, not divided.”
 

AnonymouseUser

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Details, details. Vic is on a mission here.

I want to know when Bernie will denounce his violent supporters.

Millions of people voted for me. If I have to take responsibility for everybody who voted for me it would be a very difficult life

I like a lot of Bernie's ideas, but this is one of many reasons he lost my support. The worst is actually his endorsement of the racist BLM movement.
 

michal1980

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Do we really want to give the government the power to control who can and who cannot have a job? How many people have been put on the no fly list by accident?
And for the wall, not only is that a boondoggle of absurd proportions, it is also the very incarnation of tyranny. We do that and we will no longer be a free country.

If government doesnt control who can and cannot have a job, then you are ok with millions of illegals coming into the country and taking jobs for little pay.

Heck, your ok with millions coming into this country based on that logic. why should government control who can and who cannot enter the country.
 
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I want to know when Bernie will denounce his violent supporters.



I like a lot of Bernie's ideas, but this is one of many reasons he lost my support. The worst is actually his endorsement of the racist BLM movement.
Since Vic is "no longer blinded by the lies and hypocrisy of partisanship" I'm sure that he is just as equally outraged regarding Bernie on this point as he was for Trump...he just forgot to mention it.
 

LegendKiller

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As a libertarian, I also believe in personal responsibility. Which means, in this case, that if you pick a fight with someone, and they take you up on that offer, then you're not a victim.
I'm not saying it's right, just that you're not a victim.

Ahhh, libertopianism. Works great when 100% of people subscribe to it (utopia) falls apart when 99.99% subscribe to it. Utterly falls apart when 99% subscribe to it. Add in somebody like Putin, and Libertopians become the world's bitch.

About the only people more deluded than libertopians are communists and socialists.

I thought you liked the government mandating ATR? Now you're telling me you're a libertopian. Which is it
 

glenn1

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As a libertarian, I also believe in personal responsibility. Which means, in this case, that if you pick a fight with someone, and they take you up on that offer, then you're not a victim.
I'm not saying it's right, just that you're not a victim.

Trump isn't the victim either, if there are "victims" it's the rest of us are who need to deal with the buffoons on both sides here. But no matter what the man says I will defend his right to give speeches and the right of people to attend those speeches without interference. If you don't for whatever reason quite simply put you are an asshole and deserve the "not American" insult. I don't care whether it's Trump, Sanders, or a neo-Nazi supporting racism and saying "Hitler did nothing wrong," you don't use violence against speakers or try to suppress speech, period.
 

werepossum

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<== left of Bernie on most issues

I condemn the violence carried out by anti-Trump protesters, period.
I salute you, sir. An honest, principled man is damned hard to find.

no idea why schneiderguy would voluntarily surround himself with so many manlets at such a rally.
So . . . real men are the ones punching women and old people in the face and beating them with their Mexican flags and "American was never great" signs for having the audacity to believe something different?

Boy, the definition of real man has become seriously degraded.

"Incite to riot" is horse-hockey. People are responsible for their own conduct and their own reactions to perceived provocations. People act violently because they want to.
I salute you again. Why the fuck aren't YOU running for President?
 

werepossum

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Paying for signs,etc. is not funding the actual protesters. Your claim inferred that they were paying the protesters, if that's not what you meant I'm sorry.
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WTF?

I'm was thinking outside the Republican Convention is going to be the real shitshow. But who knows...it may be same or worse at the DNC convention.
They are both going to be shitshows, from the top down. And they will both be violent, with the violence coming from the exact same group of proggies funded by the exact same ultra-wealthy leftists.
 

1prophet

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Do we really want to give the government the power to control who can and who cannot have a job? How many people have been put on the no fly list by accident?
And for the wall, not only is that a boondoggle of absurd proportions, it is also the very incarnation of tyranny. We do that and we will no longer be a free country.
Well since we gave it the power to regulate and collect tax from those jobs, as well as whatever licensing, environmental over site, labor regulations, etc. the government can enforce on legal businesses with legal employees,

how can the government turn a blind eye to those that want to use illegal labor to bypass many of the requirements that legal employees and employers are required to abide by?
 

werepossum

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You live in a fantasy world of outrage, fueled by highly polarized stereotypes and boogiemen. You've bought into an ideology lock, stock and barrel and you sold your very soul for it...thinking that it somehow makes you a 'good person' and that anyone outside that bubble who doesn't agree are somehow evil. Your self-identity is wrapped in a lie.
Damned well said, sir.

As a libertarian, I also believe in personal responsibility. Which means, in this case, that if you pick a fight with someone, and they take you up on that offer, then you're not a victim.
I'm not saying it's right, just that you're not a victim.
And of course, picking a fight with someone means not agreeing them politically. If some old woman dares to back a candidate with whom we disagree, then she deserves it when we all put on our brown shirts and beat the crap out of her.

PLEASE do not say you are a libertarian, or believe in personal responsibility. You are the very farthest thing from a libertarian, a violent progressive, and you are advocating the farthest thing from personal responsibility, violence based on speech and thought. That's a Che Guevara wannabe, not a libertarian.

I want to know when Bernie will denounce his violent supporters.

I like a lot of Bernie's ideas, but this is one of many reasons he lost my support. The worst is actually his endorsement of the racist BLM movement.
Well, if he doesn't endorse them, they won't let him talk at all.
 

Vic

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Ahhh, libertopianism. Works great when 100% of people subscribe to it (utopia) falls apart when 99.99% subscribe to it. Utterly falls apart when 99% subscribe to it. Add in somebody like Putin, and Libertopians become the world's bitch.

About the only people more deluded than libertopians are communists and socialists.

I thought you liked the government mandating ATR? Now you're telling me you're a libertopian. Which is it

ATR isn't a mandate. Lenders may choose to forgo compliance with ATR for qualified mortgages provided they are also willing to forgo certain legal protections. But most lenders want those legal protections so they choose to comply.

I balance my philosophy with pragmatism. Only fools go all in on any ideology. And you forgot to add fascists like yourself to that list. And BTW, Trump is a wannabe Putin. What Putin would be like if he had tiny hands and no balls.
 
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Vic

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Since Vic is "no longer blinded by the lies and hypocrisy of partisanship" I'm sure that he is just as equally outraged regarding Bernie on this point as he was for Trump...he just forgot to mention it.

I didn't realize this thread was about Bernie.
 

Vic

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If government doesnt control who can and cannot have a job, then you are ok with millions of illegals coming into the country and taking jobs for little pay.

Heck, your ok with millions coming into this country based on that logic. why should government control who can and who cannot enter the country.
Sounds like you love big government after all. All I ask is that you and the rest of the Trumpers stop lying about that.
 

cubby1223

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Do we really want to give the government the power to control who can and who cannot have a job? How many people have been put on the no fly list by accident?
And for the wall, not only is that a boondoggle of absurd proportions, it is also the very incarnation of tyranny. We do that and we will no longer be a free country.

Did you seriously just make the argument that we need to support illegal immigration because of problems with the no-fly list? Are you purposefully throwing whatever you can out there hoping something finally sticks?

If you feel we should not stop undocumented border crossings on the basis you personally would feel too insecure with freedom... let's just say I completely disagree with that logic, therefore we build the wall.
 
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