Vic is showing us what his world looks like to him. Hopefully he is young.People already have that right. I'm not a Trump supporter and I've not been forced to a word the man has spoken. Voluntarily turning on the TV and hearing Trump (or anyone else) isn't the same as saying "my right not to listen" has been compromised. And you need to grow up if you think you ARE being "forced to listen."
Lets incite a riot with violence and flag burning against supporters of a guy trying to enforce a law. Sound judgement right there. Bunch of gimme gimme savages that need to be sent back to where they legally belong or charged and tried in a court of law if they are citizens per the letter of the law.
But she hasn't been condemning it either, nor has bernie. I don't know why trump isn't throwing that in their face. It'd be poetic justice.
That's not what I said at all, but thanks.
Your claim that any significant number of people who oppose Trump would vote for him because of protests is nothing but wishful thinking. They are the ones who would understand the protestor's motivation best.
And your side is saying that not everyone deserves equal enforcement of the law. If you're here illegally you should be deported without question.
Whether our immigration quotas need to be hugely raised to reflect reality and change the immigration mix more towards legal immigration and away from illegal immigration is another discussion altogether.
Nope. Quite the opposite, I'm old enough that my eyes are no longer blinded by the lies and hypocrisy of partisanship. You're not going to be able to use the extremism on the left to hide the extremism on the right. If only because the extreme left's candidate won't be on the ballot, but the extreme right's candidate will, and with an R next to his name.Vic is showing us what his world looks like to him. Hopefully he is young.
Anyone who knows my posting history here knows that 10 years ago, my side was the Republicans. As a libertarian, my only disagreements with the conservatives were the Iraq war, the drug war, and certain social issues involving equal rights. But I believed very strongly, and still do, in capitalism and small government. The problem I'm having is that Republicans no longer believe in those values. Oh sure, they'll deny that, but actions speak a lot louder than words.
And BTW, there is no right to equal enforcement of the law. Not because it shouldn't exist, but because it can't exist. Law enforcement is selective by necessity. If 50 cars speed past a cop on the highway, he is only going to be able to ticket one of them. And if millions of people are here in this country illegally, each one of them must receive the equal protection of the law, and the government must adhere to due process in each and every deportation, per the highest law of the land, the Constitution. That's just the way it is, by the law, and that law is not going to be changing, as it protects all of us, not just the illegals.
Violence at rallies is wrong period.
Then I will continue to appeal to your keen sense of "objectivity" in the future.Nope. Quite the opposite, I'm old enough that my eyes are no longer blinded by the lies and hypocrisy of partisanship.
I'm not using extremism on the left to hide the extremism on the right....I'm just challenging your perceptions which I find to be quite interesting.You're not going to be able to use the extremism on the left to hide the extremism on the right. If only because the extreme left's candidate won't be on the ballot, but the extreme right's candidate will, and with an R next to his name.
You should be ashamed of that, but I'm fairly confident that you won't.
When is Trump going to denounce his support from white supremacist groups? When is he going to denounce his antisemitic supporters that are attacking Jewish members of the media? When is Trump going to take back any of his many bigoted and misogynistic statements?If Trump threw it at their face and Hillary/Bernie condemned the violence and the protests became less violent, it would work against Trump.
He needs to generate an appeal to certain groups. That's the conservative group and the undecided group who finds the liberal's violent protests disgusting. Even those who aren't conservatives and don't agree w/ Trump's politics will be voting Trump solely because of the disgust they feel from what they see during Liberal's violent protests.
These violent liberal protesters are really doing Trump a favor and painting a horrible picture for both Hillary and Bernie, and Trump knows that.
When is Trump going to denounce his support from white supremacist groups? When is he going to denounce his antisemitic supporters that are attacking Jewish members of the media? When is Trump going to take back any of his many bigoted and misogynistic statements?
Your hope that the extremism on the left will make Trump appeal to voters in the middle isn't going to happen, because Trump is an extremist himself, on the right. Instead, these incidents just strengthen the public perception that he is not a competent leader.
Trump is proposing an action, crackdown on illegals, that would spark massive violent rebellion. A little blood at protests is nothing compared to him actually attempting to implement his ideas.
no they are not being enforced. if they were being enforced we wouldn't have millions of illegals.
At some point, someone needs to crackdown on illegals. How much longer should we wait and when we do, who is the appropriate president to do it?
No pain, no gain.
It's gonna end up being a mess for whichever president tackles the task, that's for sure.
As a libertarian, I also believe in personal responsibility. Which means, in this case, that if you pick a fight with someone, and they take you up on that offer, then you're not a victim.If you were a Libertarian you wouldn't be even hinting at an implication that the protesters engaging in intimidation and coercion are justified in any way whatsoever no matter what the provocation. And you sure as hell wouldn't trivalize it when it did happen because "it's justified because they were called 'not American''. A Libertarian never ever excuses away the initiation of violence even once for whatever reason. That you would throw away the Non-Aggression Principle core of Libertarianism because someone was called a bad name means like I said in earlier posts just means you need to grow up. Right now you have the maturity of a teenager if that.
Thank you. I don't understand why more people can't see this.Trump is proposing an action, crackdown on illegals, that would spark massive violent rebellion. A little blood at protests is nothing compared to him actually attempting to implement his ideas.
Words aren't force and no one needs to accommodate your desire for a "safe space" where you don't need to hear words you disagree with.
Most of us learned by 1st grade how to handle it when someone calls you a bad name. Whether it's a 6 year old teasing by calling you a "poopyhead" or another message board poster saying "you're a traitor" doesn't make a difference. If you can't help but call that "force" then you need to put on your swim diaper and ask Mommy to give you a big hug and tell the scary monsters to go away.
At some point, someone needs to crackdown on illegals. How much longer should we wait and when we do, who is the appropriate president to do it?
No pain, no gain.
It's gonna end up being a mess for whichever president tackles the task, that's for sure.
Yeah, and if only we tried harder to enforce the drug laws, there wouldn't be any illegal drug use either, right?Whoa, dont introduce simple simple simple facts in here, they will just be clouded with lies and redirection.
Do we really want to give the government the power to control who can and who cannot have a job? How many people have been put on the no fly list by accident?I'm all for fining the crap out of employers, I'm fine with auditing them more. I do feel a wall is a waste of time but I'm alright with the idea. From what I've read a wall will cost around 9 billion and 300-500 million a year to maintain and staff. I'll pay some extra taxes for that but I do expect something in return. What would you be willing to give in return for a wall?