Just got my Mobile Barton 2500+

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LeonarD26

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Can someone please explain this to me??

The Barton 2500+ on Newegg is rated 333FSB.

The Mobile Barton 2500+ on Newegg is rated 266FSB.

All other specs are the same... why this FSB difference?

Thanks in advance
 

Netopia

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All other specs are the same... why this FSB difference?

The difference is just that someone made a typo. Just like it says that the mobile barton runs at 1.25v... just not true. A typo!

Joe
 

LeonarD26

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Thanks Netopia...... I guess there's no good reason to get the Locked Barton desktop chip if you're doing some overclocking.

 

Tiorapatea

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Originally posted by: Netopia
All other specs are the same... why this FSB difference?

The difference is just that someone made a typo. Just like it says that the mobile barton runs at 1.25v... just not true. A typo!

Joe

Not quite true. Mobile Bartons are intended to run in laptops, where you will generally find that the motherboard is only capable of running at a max of 266 FSB. The motherboard's BIOS will recognise Mobile Barton chips and set the appropriate FSB and multiplier for the particular chip. The recognised FSB would never exceed 266 FSB, even if you could find a laptop motherboard capable of higher bus speeds.

However, there is nothing in the design of Mobile Bartons that inherently restricts them to operation at 266 FSB. Moreover, Mobile Bartons are unlocked.

If you stick a Mobile Barton in a motherboard designed for desktops, the BIOS will most likely not recognise the chip and will therefore run it at a safe default FSB, probably 200 MHz, and at a low multiplier. But most motherboards have a BIOS that will allow you to alter these settings within certain ranges. It is usually therefore quite simple to change the FSB and multiplier. Modern Socket A motherboards have chipsets that can typically run at a FSB of 400 or above. Available multiplier settings do vary substantially between motherboards but, in most cases, you should be able to set a combination of FSB and multiplier that will result in a significant and stable overclock of your processor.

Default voltage of those Mobile Bartons that will fit in Socket A varies from 1.35V for chips rated at 2200+ and 2400+ (one version only, the AXMD2400FJQ4C) to 1.65V for all chips rated at 2800+ or above. The 2400+ can also be found at defaults of 1.45V and 1.65V. The Mobile Bartons 2500+ and 2600+ can be found either at 1.45V or 1.65V.

Mobile Bartons in a smaller package that will not fit in Socket A motherboards are available at default voltages of 1.1V and 1.25V.
 

Elcs

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Thank you all. I think this i m irst thread thats reached over 50 posts and especially since its remained quite clean and informative.

My Mobile 2500+ is chugging along at 215x11 @ 1.8V..... definately not impressive but its running at 44C idle and its faster than my old T'Bred.... so Im not complaining.
 

Mustanggt

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Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
too much voltage guys !!
slow down yur killin um
you are scaring me with talk of fried bartons, I got my 2500 M today and have been running it all night @2.5 1.8 with P95 and Halo, I bumped vcore to 1.9 just to see where she would go she got into win xp for a few minutes at 2.6 not worth it though whatever I can get @1.8 is as far as I will be going, even if running it at 2.0 wont fry it it will still be running way to hot. every other chip I have had have allways started out at higher vcore say like 1.85 to get stable and all of them have gone down in amount of power they need to run stable after couple months.
 

Jayavarman

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Originally posted by: Elcs


My Mobile 2500+ is chugging along at 215x11 @ 1.8V..... definately not impressive but its running at 44C idle and its faster than my old T'Bred.... so Im not complaining.


Elcs,
Try giving it more juice. I have my mobile 2500 running stable at 215x12.5 (2688 mhz) @ 2.0 volts. At 1.8 volts it can only do 2400 mhz. But if you don't have good cooling, temps will go through the roof when running this thing at high speeds. My idle temp is 40C and load temp is 47C. But I have great airflow in my full tower case and an SLK800 with a tornado running full rpm. Very loud, but sweet. This chip is a steal.
 

Jayavarman

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Originally posted by: Elcs


My Mobile 2500+ is chugging along at 215x11 @ 1.8V..... definately not impressive but its running at 44C idle and its faster than my old T'Bred.... so Im not complaining.


Elcs,
Try giving it more juice. I have my mobile 2500 running stable at 215x12.5 (2688 mhz) @ 2.0 volts. At 1.8 volts it can only do 2400 mhz. But if you don't have good cooling, temps will go through the roof when running this thing at high speeds. My idle temp is 40C and load temp is 47C. But I have great airflow in my full tower case and an SLK800 with a tornado running full rpm. Very loud, but sweet. This chip is a steal.
 

Jayavarman

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Originally posted by: Elcs


My Mobile 2500+ is chugging along at 215x11 @ 1.8V..... definately not impressive but its running at 44C idle and its faster than my old T'Bred.... so Im not complaining.


Elcs,
Try giving it more juice. I have my mobile 2500 running stable at 215x12.5 (2688 mhz) @ 2.0 volts. At 1.8 volts it can only do 2400 mhz. But if you don't have good cooling, temps will go through the roof when running this thing at high speeds. My idle temp is 40C and load temp is 47C. But I have great airflow in my full tower case and an SLK800 with a tornado running full rpm. Very loud, but sweet. This chip is a steal.
 

Jayavarman

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Originally posted by: Elcs


My Mobile 2500+ is chugging along at 215x11 @ 1.8V..... definately not impressive but its running at 44C idle and its faster than my old T'Bred.... so Im not complaining.


Elcs,
Try giving it more juice. I have my mobile 2500 running stable at 215x12.5 (2688 mhz) @ 2.0 volts. At 1.8 volts it can only do 2400 mhz. But if you don't have good cooling, temps will go through the roof when running this thing at high speeds. My idle temp is 40C and load temp is 47C. But I have great airflow in my full tower case and an SLK800 with a tornado running full rpm. Very loud, but sweet. This chip is a steal.

EDITE: What the hey!!! Sorry about the multiple repeat posts everyone, I feel like an idiot. I don't know what happened. Maybe this CPU isn't stable after all....just kidding. It's running Prime95 for hours. Anyway, sorry.
 

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Lifer
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Which stepping desktop 2500+ Bartons come locked? Every single one that's being sold now?
 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Which stepping desktop 2500+ Bartons come locked? Every single one that's being sold now?

Yep... you'd have to find an older one. I have a week 24 that's unlocked... in a bind, I'd trade it to you for one that is locked since I just run it at 200x11 and don't need to change the multiplier.

*EDIT* As long as the one I get in return will run 2.2 Ghz on 1.65 volts

**EDIT** On second thought... a trade for a Mobile XP2500 would agree with me also
 

StageLeft

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I hate you all. Here I am with a new Barton 2500+ which won't even go above 11 X 187 @ 1.65 default voltage, and more volts isn't helping it for more than few mhz I shoulda bought a mobile!
 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I hate you all. Here I am with a new Barton 2500+ which won't even go above 11 X 187 @ 1.65 default voltage, and more volts isn't helping it for more than few mhz I shoulda bought a mobile!

Mine won't run at 187 Mhz either... and it won't run at 215... but it will run at 166, 200-210, 220-223, and 233.
 

PCBliss

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after week 39 last year they became locked. i had a week 34 that did 2230mhz at stock vcore. The mobile i have now does 2230mhz at 1.575vcore, and 2350 at 1.65vcore, and the multiplier is fully unlocked. I just ordered another mobile yesterday, i highly recommend them!
 

Jayavarman

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I hate you all. Here I am with a new Barton 2500+ which won't even go above 11 X 187 @ 1.65 default voltage, and more volts isn't helping it for more than few mhz I shoulda bought a mobile!

Skoorb, You've probably checked everything possible. So I probably don't need to ask this, but have you eliminate other components from the picture that might hinder your overclock? Most desktop 2500 should do 2200 mhz easily at 1.8 volts. Maybe memory won't run past 187, motherboard won't do past 187, PCI/AGP overclocking too high? Don't know, just some thoughts from past experience. The desktop 2500 that I replaced this mobile with can do 2315 mhz at 1.85 volts.
 

AWhackWhiteBoy

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I'm running my 2500+ mobile at 194fsbx12.5 with 1.8v
388mhz FSB @ 2425mhz
51C max under load air cooled(i need to reseat it with better paste), Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe(i would NOT recommend this board to anyone)

any higher and prime95 gives errors. i've gotten it to boot at 2.6ghz though,but programs kept crashing.

i forgot to check my stepping,i slapped my pc together in a hurry
 

Jayavarman

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Originally posted by: AWhackWhiteBoy
I'm running my 2500+ mobile at 194fsbx12.5 with 1.8v
388mhz FSB @ 2425mhz
51C max under load air cooled(i need to reseat it with better paste), Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe(i would NOT recommend this board to anyone)

any higher and prime95 gives errors. i've gotten it to boot at 2.6ghz though,but programs kept crashing.

i forgot to check my stepping,i slapped my pc together in a hurry

I see 3 things that hinders your overclocking potential of your chip. I'm sure your chip has higher potentials.

1. You've gotta give that puppy more voltage if you want to go higher
2. Your mobo max voltage is 1.85? I used to have a A7N8X and the max is 1.85, yuk! Not an OCer's mobo. You can volt mod, but I don't mess with that stuff
3. You have got to keep your temps lower. Mine would crash if temp goes higher then 52C. I lowered the speed on my tornado and saw the load temp at 54C. Prime 95 crashed after 14 minutes.

 

AWhackWhiteBoy

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I had the voltage higher before, it still wouldn't go higher stable. I stuck at this speed with higher voltage for awhile to make sure it was stable,then i stepped down the voltage til i found where it was lowest and stable

I'm returning this motherboard and getting a DFI lanparty anyhow. This board is horrible...
 

PCBliss

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yeah my dfi board died, and now im using an A7N8x deluxe. 1.85 vcore and 2.9 vdimm sucks. Im gonna get an NF7S i think.
 

AWhackWhiteBoy

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Originally posted by: PCBliss
yeah my dfi board died, and now im using an A7N8x deluxe. 1.85 vcore and 2.9 vdimm sucks. Im gonna get an NF7S i think.

it died? care to explain? i'd like to know since i'm considering buying one.
 

PCBliss

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It got the dreaded failure where it just gets stuck on diagnostic LED #4 when it tries to boot up, and nothing will make it stop... Happened to two of them on me, so i gave up on them. Its happened to more than a few people.
 

John

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I am tweaking my new AMD setup:

Abit NF7-S v2
Mobile 2500+ IQYHA 2003 week 52
12 x 209=2518MHz 1.79v @ 60C under full Prime 95 load
SLK800a w/ Panaflo 80mm L1A + AS5
Case (Antec SX1040B clone) is super quiet w/ 5 additional L1A's

I'll push for more tomorrow.
 
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