Just got my Mobile Barton 2500+

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Tiorapatea

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Thanks for the info, Elcs.

I did some more research into the CPUID functions specified in the X86 ISA and it seems that software can just ask the processor what it is capable of directly without any need for intermediation by the BIOS. So I am not worried about that any more. PowerNow is another matter because I imagine that is essentially a "BIOS application" and if the BIOS has not been designed to use these features then, well, they won't work! I guess maybe one could try writing one's own program but it seems like it would be better done at a lower level than a program running on top of an OS.

What do people think would o'c' better, a 1.35V 1800 MHz chip or a 1.45V 2000 MHz chip? Or is it more dependent on the week of manufacture or the precise stepping code?
 

smokedturkey

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get the 2500+ and those low voltages are not going to cut it at 2ghz, that is the default
voltage at low mhz. Remember, these are laptop cpu's.
Get CrystalCPUID and you can change the multiplier and voltage from windows.

This is really more simple than people are making it.
 

Elcs

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Originally posted by: Tiorapatea
Thanks for the info, Elcs.

You're welcome.

Prime95 bummed out after 18 minutes at 220 fsb. Dont know whether thats the fsb limit of my proc or my ram. Doubt it was the chipset but Ive backed down to 215 fsb to test there. Didnt bother testing any games.... I'll wait until I get my R9800P.

SuperPi has ran on 1M and 8M but it did that at 220 and bummed on Prime. Fingers crossed.

 

Tiorapatea

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Originally posted by: smokedturkey
get the 2500+ and those low voltages are not going to cut it at 2ghz, that is the default
voltage at low mhz. Remember, these are laptop cpu's.
Get CrystalCPUID and you can change the multiplier and voltage from windows.

This is really more simple than people are making it.

smokedturkey, I realise this. The thing is that the XP-Ms come in a number of flavours and I'm wondering which flavour would be likely to overclock the most.

For example, I have a 2500+ XP-M running at a default 1867 MHz and 1.45V. Since it is the same core as the desktop Bartons, I obviously expect that this chip will go much higher (can't yet test this myself). There is also a 2400+ that runs at a default of 1800 MHz at 1.35V. There is also a 2600+ that runs at 2000 MHz at 1.45V. And there is a 2800+ XP-M that runs at 2133 MHz at 1.65V. I have verified this in AMD technical documents.

I also know that other variables are the week of manufacture and the stepping code of the chips.

When looking to buy a XP-M on the internet, it is typically difficault to pin down all the details of the chips that are offered for sale. Therefore, I am wondering if an approach based solely on the default voltage and default clock frequency of chips offered for sale would yield clues as to the likely overclockability of a given chip. N.B.A word of warning - AMD assigns the same PR rating to chips with varying core voltage, therefore the PR rating alone is not sufficient to identify the characteristics of a particular chip.

If so, I am wondering which of the flavours of XP-M I have mentioned would, ceteris paribus (week of manufacture and stepping), be expected to have the best overclocking potential.

The 2400+ I mentioned manages to squeeze 1800 MHz out of 1.35V, which seems impressive. The 2600+ gets an extra 200 MHz at a cost of an extra 0.1V. Do people think it is possible to generalise, based only on these facts, which flavour would give the best results?

There may be other factors that people are aware of. For example, it would not surprise me if certain flavours of XP-M were not produced at all by AMD until they had reached a certain stage of maturity in their manufacturing process. Thus, when buying a particular flavour, one might know that the week of manufacture could not possibly be before a given date. Such analysis might also apply to stepping codes.

And finally, people might know, or be able to surmise, AMD's policy on selecting particular batches of chips for a given PR rating. It could be, for example, that it is so incredibly difficult to produce chips capable of 1800 MHz at 1.35V that AMD selects only the best chips for this classification, even though they might not make so much money per chip by doing so. Alternatively, AMD might choose to operate by selling all its best chips as desktop 3200+ versions.

I would be grateful for any insights people have on this.
 

smokedturkey

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I am not sure, but I do know one thing... I got a 2500+ mobile rated at 1.45v and it wouldn't do that speed at 1.45v. I had to raise it to 1.65v to get anywhere above 1.9ghz.
 

PCBliss

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A lot will. mine will do 2200 at 1.6. I played around for a while at 2500mhz @ 1.85v
 

touchmyichi

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Originally posted by: PCBliss
Jesus 1.85 is fine. Just watch your temps and grow some nuts

Exactly I run 1.85 24/7 all year, no problems here at all. all athlons and durons will work just fine at 1.85 with adequate cooling.
 

Elcs

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Originally posted by: edmundoab
will the chip hit 2.4Ghz at 1.75V?

Mine isnt stable enough at 2.4 Ghz at 1.75V actual yet I can do 2.36 Ghz at that voltage.
 

mlt001

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From what I have heard, while the multiplier is locked, the 2500+ Barton (non-Mobile) can be O/C to 200MHz FSB with minimal effort (even with stock cooling ). So I am wondering what the advantage of getting the mobile version is. The non-mobile retail version is only around $80 (Newegg).

I have a Shuttle AN32 Ultra currently running an old 1600+.
 

PCBliss

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The mobile version is designed to run faster at lower voltages, because they need to run cool in laptops. Also have an unlocked mulitplier helps give you more options for overclocking
 

busmaster11

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Why do you need to connect any bridges when these CPUs are unlocked?

Is there anything you need to do to get this to work on an nforce1? (Asus n266-c)

TIA
 

PCBliss

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You need to connect bridges to raise the default FSB, although most people dont do that. some do and i dont know why
 

smokedturkey

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no, to raise the default multiplier. I started mine at 10 because of my MB. I have a jumper that lets me go either 133-166 OR 166-200mhz fsb. So I chose the 166-200 jumper.
10x166+1.66mhz. Then I made a config to run 1.66@ low voltage (cool&quiet web surfer).
Then two or three more configs to run higher speeds for games etc.
Change of speed is a doubleclick away!
 

PCBliss

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Ive been folding now at 2315mhz at default 1.65 barton voltage. folding is about equivelent to prime 95, if its unstable you will get errors. This chip is doing pretty good.
 

Noid

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My 2400M arrived today.. IQYHA 0346 from NewEgg

It booted W2K at 12 x 215.5 no sweat, but failed benchies...

Now at 11.5 x 217.2 = 2497 (aaaah wtf ... 2.5ghz )

Still need more time on P95, but no errors for an hour so far...
I'm pumping more voltage than I like thou ...
,,, but,,, I'm beginning to think I dont need it either...

I will post my final results tomorrow.
 

Avalon

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Finally popped in my IQYHA 2500+. I can only use multipliers less than 13x, but that's no biggy since I'll be upping the FSB later. For now, I'm attempting to run it at close to default speed for a while (it's at 133 x 12.5 @ 1.45 volts = 37C degrees semi-idle) and then i'll start the OC'ing. Good luck to everyone getting their IQYHA chips in!
 

Avalon

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My first IQYHA did...
166x11 @ 1.45v = 1830mhz
200x11 @ 1.55v = 2200mhz
210x11 @ 1.65v = 2310mhz
200x12 @ 1.70v = 2400mhz
210x12 @ 1.90v = 2530mhz but not prime95 stable...I'm sure with better cooling, it would be
and I'm positive a watercooling system can take this chip to 2.6-2.7ghz

Got my second chip in right now, it's been running at 166x11 to get it warmed up for the OCing
I ran 3dmark2001SE when I was clocked at 2.4ghz and gained about 1650 points over my desktop barton
 

Elcs

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Mine dislikes me. 2300 (210x11) @ 1.75V actual.

Im not exactly unhappy with it as its faster than my T'Bred B by 100mhz at the same voltage.... after a days work and a heavy gaming session of NFSU, i never saw temps go over 47C.... not bad with an SLK-900A w/ a 92mm Panaflo L1A.
 

Zim

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Is there any way to stress test a cpu from a floppy or cdrom boot? I'd rather not go into Windows and risk trashing my hard drive. :Q
 

crimson117

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Originally posted by: Zim
Is there any way to stress test a cpu from a floppy or cdrom boot? I'd rather not go into Windows and risk trashing my hard drive. :Q
Maybe try using knoppix linux, bootable from CD-Rom, then put some stress software on a floppy or another cd (in another drive)? Or put it right on the knoppix cd?

 

Avalon

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My 2nd mobile was a little dissapointing compared to my first one...same stepping, IQYHA

166FSB x 11 = 1.83ghz @1.45v 43C max temps
200FSB x 11 = 2.2ghz @ 1.575v = 50C max
200FSB x 11.5 = 2.305ghz @ 1.675 = 54C max
200FSB x 12 = 2.4ghz @ 1.775 = 58C max ??

Not sure on the temps of the last one...prime95 kept erroring out
but I was playing CS and ran 3dmark just fine, couldn't quite keep a steady full load to know the real max temp, so I just approximated what it would be
and according to that, I didn't want to push the CPU any further
I assume with good cooling this CPU will do 2.5-2.6ghz easy, but a little dissapointing compared to my first
Still, these speeds are definitely nothing to be moping about, eh?
 
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