Just how bad are these students loans?

steppinthrax

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I don't get it, maybe I don't fit into the typical student loan box. When I graduated my M.S. (Computer Science) 2008. I had around 20K of student loans. I paid it off in 2014. The payments weren't really that bad (maybe 240 per month under the standard plan). I just sent them a check for the full amount (14K) and was done with it....

The fed gov is pretty lenient with student loans. You can forgive and forbearance. I don't understand what the issues are. Are students simply not finding high paying jobs?
 

Newell Steamer

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I went to a private college.

I got:
- a grant from the school
- state help
- city help

I ended up needing to pay about $2,000 per semester over the course of 4 years.

I think I took out a loan at the final year... but, I don't remember. Either way,.. for me, college wasn't that expense. I was a grad in 2001.
 

justoh

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Well there are a lot of private, for profit schools, like phoenix and shit, which are worthless and cost a lot. Too many americans go to college just to live on loans.
 
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The problem is not the schools.

The problem is the typical modern progressive, and their attitude that the ebil "rich people" (working middle class) should pay for their degree in art or social media or whatever.

Even on here, we read all the time from these idiots bragging how some other country funds college education for dog grooming so we should as well.


Bottom line is, the moronic students sign the papers to take the loans. So yes, you are expected to write a $14k check. That's what you agreed to.



Instead you all drink our Dear Leader's kool aid hoping he will bail you out with working people's money... Just like he has bailed out every other lazy non-working lowlife people.

Shoot just do like a good minion does, get on that obamacare and get you some pain pills for that back condition, shoot you got ADD and you and your kids can't work, that's $2k/month disability right there. Sell some of those pain pills and you're bringing in $40k+ easy. Plenty here can tell you how to do it.
 

steppinthrax

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Well there are a lot of private, for profit schools, like phoenix and shit, which are worthless and cost a lot. Too many americans go to college just to live on loans.

I don't like saying it but I tend to feel kids go to college and pick these shit majors (art history, English, sociology, Literature, Music). They come out with 50K of loans and the best they can find is some job doing customer service somewhere making 17 an hour....
 

steppinthrax

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I went to a private college.

I got:
- a grant from the school
- state help
- city help

I ended up needing to pay about $2,000 per semester over the course of 4 years.

I think I took out a loan at the final year... but, I don't remember. Either way,.. for me, college wasn't that expense. I was a grad in 2001.

For my M.S. I got a job at the State Gov. They paid for my M.S. While at the same time I was making payments while the loan was in forbearance. I didn't want to take out any loans!!!! I figured get someone else to pay for it or find some other creative way to get it paid for....
 

justoh

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I don't like saying it but I tend to feel kids go to college and pick these shit majors (art history, English, sociology, Literature, Music). They come out with 50K of loans and the best they can find is some job doing customer service somewhere making 17 an hour....

If they're lucky. Normally they can't find anything so just do a masters or something and take out even more loans.
 

Hacp

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I don't get it, maybe I don't fit into the typical student loan box. When I graduated my M.S. (Computer Science) 2008. I had around 20K of student loans. I paid it off in 2014. The payments weren't really that bad (maybe 240 per month under the standard plan). I just sent them a check for the full amount (14K) and was done with it....

The fed gov is pretty lenient with student loans. You can forgive and forbearance. I don't understand what the issues are. Are students simply not finding high paying jobs?


You are 100% correct. Student loans are not a burden if you were smart with where you went to school. Think of a 20k loan as 3-4k less in salary. So if you were making 34k, you are really making 30k. A raise in 2 years will probably take care of that.
 

waggy

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For federal Student loans my personal opinion is that they shouldn't be charging much in interest.

Also i see no reason kids shouldn't be able to refinance the loans.

Though also i think kids should get counseling on them. Why are kids getting 100k in student loans for some of the idiotic degrees?
 

steppinthrax

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For federal Student loans my personal opinion is that they shouldn't be charging much in interest.

Also i see no reason kids shouldn't be able to refinance the loans.

Though also i think kids should get counseling on them. Why are kids getting 100k in student loans for some of the idiotic degrees?

I've heard of 100K debt for MDs and JDs. I did refinance my loan. There was a point a few years back where everybody had to or the rate would shoot up to like 8%. The interest I was on was 4.75%
 
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Forgiveness and forebearance don't apply to private loans, OP. That's where most of the problem is.

If you only took the annual federal loan cap, nobody would graduate with more than ~$60k in debt.

Meanwhile, I know people with $200k in loan debt, because they were sold a bill of goods by a private "art" school, told about their lucrative future designing video games, and are slaves to the sunk cost fallacy. (Well, I took out $50k in loans for my first year... but I don't really like college. I guess I'll just do the easiest major I can so the money isn't wasted!)

Or their 5-year career plan is "marry rich." (Sorry, kiddo, there are more cute blondes out there than doctors. Doesn't matter how hard you pray to Jeebus.)

I knew one kid (well, guy, he's my age now) whose parents told him to shut up, not read it, and sign the papers. 6 years later, he's $300k in debt. His dad told him, "well, you needed to go to college. I'll die soon and you can use the insurance payoff to deal with the loans."

Poor. Planning. And not just on the part of the stupid kids. This doesn't happen in a vacuum - their parents are with them, cosigning on the loans, and helping them make these incredibly stupid decisions.

I used to work at a copy shop in downtown minneapolis. A few blocks away was the Art Institute. I never knew any people who went through there who graduated with <$50k in debt (national average is <$30k.) And while some of those kids had a fair degree of talent, there's no shortage of graphics designers in the universe. And every goddamn one of them seemed to think they were going to make $10k a weekend designing web pages and doing contract work. (ha!)

About half of my coworkers were AI grads. Raking it in at $10/hour!

Full disclosure: I took out $28k in loans for a meh arts degree. I paid them down with what I had left, refinanced $21k at 4.25% for 20 years ($131/month), set up autopay, and forgot about it. As long as I have a job of any kind, it'll take care of itself and I can worry about other things.

The problem isn't the major, or even the loans themselves - hell, burning $30k for a two year vacation beats the hell out of spending the same $ on a month in Europe. But it all comes back to the dollar amount. When you have THAT MUCH debt, and THAT MUCH of a monthly payment, unless EVERYTHING goes right for you career-wise (and let's be honest, who here hasn't bagged groceries or delivered pizza in between real jobs?) you're completely fucked.
 
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Svnla

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How bad is student loans?

The total outstanding student loan balance is $1.08 trillion, and a whopping 11.5% of it is 90+ days delinquent or in default. That&#8217;s the highest delinquency rate among all forms of debt and the only one that&#8217;s been on the rise consistently since 2003.

The delinquency rate on student loans is higher than credit cards, mortgages and auto loans which have all seen a decline in late payments
How about $1 Trillion USD bad and growing = http://www.forbes.com/sites/halahto...ion-student-loan-problem-keeps-getting-worse/
 

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I went back to school and graduate next year. I borrowed about 100K for it. I thought it was a good decision at the time but I'm worried whether it'll pay off.
 
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MarkXIX

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I partially agree with SpatiallyAware. Too many kids take out huge loans and see it immediately as "free money" that they will just "pay off later". Then, they march their fat little asses to the nearest college book store and buy a Macbook Pro, an iPad, and a bunch of other shit while they drink Starbucks every damn day while walking to class in their Nike sweat wicking gear and the latest sneakers thinking they have the world by the tail. All the while, they're spending on borrowed time and insane levels of stupidity thinking they're going to come out with a piece of paper that gets them an immediate $50k+ job.

I see this play out every year at my local state university. I can only imagine how much worse it is out of state or at a private institution.

PS - I was one of those "Army guys who joined because he was too dumb to do anything else" and my out of pocket expenses for my 4-year degree were an occasional book and the tuition for classes when the Army ran out of tuition assistance funds before I enrolled. I did take out $2k in loans at one point because I had loan repayment option when I re-enlisted. It was a nice windfall and one year later the Army started to pay it off.
 
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Absolution75

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I borrowed 80k to go to school. It paid off for me, but probably not so much anyone else...

I'm putting about $1500 per month towards the loans. Though grad+ loans are like 7.7% interest, basically, if you pay the minimum amount, you owe $160k over 10 years instead of $80k.
 

Hugo Drax

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Too many people are going to college because like good sheep they are following instructions by the College Military Industrial Complex (CMIC). Unfortunately too many not so sharp students are attending college and will choose the lowest common denominator degree.

Unfortunately their assumption that any college degree has equal value, regardless of effort required to attain such degree. A large population of not so sharp students graduate with 100K debts and can only attain Highschool level minimum wage jobs.

This is why you see so many burger flippers and coffee fetchers with 4-8 year college degrees.
 

AznAnarchy99

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I borrowed about 25k for my undergrad. The rest was taken care of by grants. I am still in forbearance but I haven't changed my lifestyle after getting my job so at this point I can pretty much put in 1k+ a month. I will have it payed off in just under 2 years. I can't even imagine the people paying the minimum payments for 10+ years.
 

Red Squirrel

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Unless you are aiming for a specific job/company that requires a high end college/university I find it's a waste of money, just go to community college, get your diploma in 3 years then get a job. You can then move up in the company over time. You should not try to specialize right out of college, those specialized/higher end jobs tend to be given internally first, then the lower end jobs are what open up to the public. Not saying that's always how it works, but it's typical.

I paid like 4k per year in college including books. Got a job within a few months. Started at help desk, then server tech and now noc tech. I came out of college with profit, since I would have a summer job, and also had a scholarship. Was able to buy a house within a few years of working full time.
 

xeemzor

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This thread makes me happy that I went to a cheap state school and lived at home for 3 years. Not having debt feels amazing
 

Mai72

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I've met people with 60k-100k in student loan debt. On top of that their degree was normally in literature, anthropology, history, women's studies, social work, etc... They are having a very difficult time paying back their loans because they can't find work. Well duh!

I'm sorry but those jobs don't normally pay that well. That's if you're able to get a job.
 
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