Just installed Fedora

[rb56]

So far so good, ran Linux Mandrake a couple of years ago and had to try Linux again. Anybody else runnig Fedora?

rb56

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: rb56
So far so good, ran Linux Mandrake a couple of years ago and had to try Linux again. Anybody else runnig Fedora?

rb56

Nope, you're the first!

 

[Zelmo3]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Nope, you're the first!

ROTF,LMAO!

Or maybe he's just the only one left!

 

[rb56]

It's easy to see how you've gotten so many posts.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: rb56
It's easy to see how you've gotten so many posts.

Yeah, I post 10 helpful posts, 3 posts in OT, and two worthless posts in other forums daily.

How does Fedora compare to Mandrake of yesteryear?

 

[drag]

dammit

 

[drag]

I used fedora for a short time. Seemed pretty much like redhat 9, except with most of the programs updated to newer versions. Probably has wider support base for newer programs, seems like developements and updates (from the community) for redhat 9 have dropped off quite a bit.

It's using 2.4 kernel, but (I beleive) with all the backports for desktop performance enancing stuff from 2.6 compiled in. So it's fairly snappy.

didn't have problems with stability and it configured most everything correctly off the bat.


Could do without the blue-curve crap though. (shudder)

 

[Ynog]

I run fedora as well, though I do run a different window manager than KDE/Gnome.

I won't repeat much of what drag said, but I'll say I haven't had any problems so far.

 

[earthman]

That's an interesting theoretical concept, an OS with a 1-user base.

 

[Nothinman]

That's an interesting theoretical concept, an OS with a 1-user base.

That would be GNU/Hurd.

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Anyone else running Fedora care to weigh in? I d/led Fedora and burned the iso's to CD a couple weeks ago but have yet to install on my system. I'd like to get a little more feedback on this distro before installing. The only thing I'm really concerned about is on the driver side of things. I'm worried about drivers for the following components:
Asus A7N8X-X
ATI Radeon 9600 AIW Pro
Creative Audigy 2

 

[Vadatajs]

I don't run fedora but a few friends of mine do. Get familiar with yum. It will really help with installing software.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs
I don't run fedora but a few friends of mine do. Get familiar with yum. It will really help with installing software.

They support apt, too. Apt is a lot quicker, but I don't know which is better. They support yum right out of the box, but their repositories support both.

 

[rb56]

Well it's been a couple of days now and so far it has been solid as a rock. Went through the updates and everything went all right. I set it up as a basic work station when I installed the OS. I guess the next step is to install file serving and network print serving. Anybody else using Fedora for these apps?

rb56

 

[zigCorsair]

I installed Fedora - haven't played around with it *that* much, but my first impressions are good .

 

[Wik]

I have one that has been set up for a while, and then formated it as I needed it as a windoze box this weekend for a family gathering and gaming day. I just put Fedora back on it again yesterday.

I dont use it for much more then a basic desktop for web surfing/ email or playing DVDs with mplayer. It is an old school PII350 modded to run at 504mhz. Has a Voodooo5500 and 512megs of ram. Runs really stable and does what I need it to do.
So, as far as my old school setup, it works just fine.

 

[zigCorsair]

Yeah - linux is a great OS for a secondary machine (unless you want it for gaiming too). It's hard to justify paying so much money for a second copy of Windows when there's another good solution out there. If you do a lot of programming, the Linux box probably comes in more use than the Windows one anyway .

Check out Mandrake move (or knoppix) if you want to be able to boot into linux without installing it.

 

[dude8604]

I just put Fedora on my Dell laptop. It seems to run fine, except on a laptop there isn't much driver support. But that's true of any Linux distro. From what i can tell it's good, but I don't know anything about Linux.

 

[Nothinman]

I just put Fedora on my Dell laptop. It seems to run fine, except on a laptop there isn't much driver support. But that's true of any Linux distro. From what i can tell it's good, but I don't know anything about Linux.

Huh? Everything works on my laptop. ACPI, NIC, sound, video and supposedly the winmodem which I have yet to test.

 

[drag]

For getting stuff working on laptops check out Linux on laptops

 

[KB]

Have been running fedora since it came out of beta and have been happy with it. All of my hardware, including my joysticks and digital camera have worked. It has been stable and the updates have been frequent. I would recommend it to most people.

 

[dude8604]

No, you're right. I just installed it and haven't spent the time to get everything set up. What I meant is that everything doesn't work right away, and it's going to be difficult to get it to work since I don't know hardly anything about Linux. I just don't have any use for Linux, and don't want to spend hours on something for no reason. I think I'm going to try Lindows since it has some built-in laptop support (I got in on the free offer).

 

[drag]

Your probably not going to get any better support from Lindows then anything else.


Linux is linux is linux. All the different distros are for is just the different packaging and specific setups. Each is about the same, with different roles.


Now if you had a lindows-laptop then it would be easy to set up because everything with that laptop works well. Laptops are difficult to support in linux because pretty much each one is different and it's common to use semi-generic hardware and then modify it, and then not tell anyone about it. As long as they make sure it works in windows then most manufacturers couldn't give a flying F*** about any linux support.

That's what makes it difficult. And since each manufacture does different things and supports linux in different ways then it's a crap shoot that any laptop you randomly find will work easily with linux with little difficulty.

IBM and one other major company (HP I think) actually released pre-installed Linux OSes on their laptops as a replacement option for windows. (I beleive that IBM laptop was the T21 model, the 800mhz to 1ghz P3 model IIRC...)

However it sucks for us because the way windows liscencing scemes work is that you get penalized (increased prices for your windows liscencing) if you sell computers that have no OS pre-installed. (Used to be anything not-windows, but MS got busted on that with the anti-trust stuff, so now it's no-os-liscence penalty)

So for example if HP sells liscence-less laptops for linux users, and Gateway doesn't, then MS raises the price on HP, and since 90% of the market is still windows users, then HP is at a price competative disadvantage with Gateway when it comes to price and profit margins. That's why you never see a "OS-delete" option at places like Dell.com.

So that, combined with the naturally heavily propriatary nature of Laptops/notebooks (like Intel's centrino, with the wireless setup that runs in software ala winmodems), and the industries apathy towards linux users makes it very hard to get a random laptop working on the first try.

Most server hardware works well with Linux. Linux is common nowadays in server rooms, so manufacturers make sure that servers and their hardware generally works well with linux. It's getting pretty common for workstations, were it's replacing Unix and giving traditionally not-strong unix player a path to high-end unix stuff, so more and more workstation-level stuff works well with linux.

Now the idea is to get Linux common on corporate desktops. MSDOS got popular at home because most computer people used Dos at work so they bought computers with DOS, instead of the better (IMO) Mac OSes. So Linux people are aiming at corporations.

then after that the home users, because then people using linux at work will want to be able to use it at home.

Also after it becomes popular at the corporate desktop then more and more business class laptops will be supported, then it will simply be easier to support most of your inventory that way.

But for right now if you know you would want to try out linux, there is hardware that works very well with linux, but you need to do a bit of extra research ahead of time. There isn't anything magical about windows that makes it easy to configure hardware, it's just that it has better OEM support. On hardware that supports linux, linux is a breeze to install and it works fast and correctly from the first get-go.

 

[Kadarin]

I've got Fedora on an old Celeron box at work doing RADIUS and LDAP duty, along with some general crap. It's stable, but I'd have to say that my Gentoo box here at home is a lot snappier (much faster proc, lots more RAM, better video, 2.6.1-gentoo-r1 kernel), and the windows just look crisper and cleaner.

 

[dude8604]

Originally posted by: drag
Your probably not going to get any better support from Lindows then anything else.


Linux is linux is linux. All the different distros are for is just the different packaging and specific setups. Each is about the same, with different roles.


Now if you had a lindows-laptop then it would be easy to set up because everything with that laptop works well. Laptops are difficult to support in linux because pretty much each one is different and it's common to use semi-generic hardware and then modify it, and then not tell anyone about it. As long as they make sure it works in windows then most manufacturers couldn't give a flying F*** about any linux support.

That's what makes it difficult. And since each manufacture does different things and supports linux in different ways then it's a crap shoot that any laptop you randomly find will work easily with linux with little difficulty.

IBM and one other major company (HP I think) actually released pre-installed Linux OSes on their laptops as a replacement option for windows. (I beleive that IBM laptop was the T21 model, the 800mhz to 1ghz P3 model IIRC...)

However it sucks for us because the way windows liscencing scemes work is that you get penalized (increased prices for your windows liscencing) if you sell computers that have no OS pre-installed. (Used to be anything not-windows, but MS got busted on that with the anti-trust stuff, so now it's no-os-liscence penalty)

So for example if HP sells liscence-less laptops for linux users, and Gateway doesn't, then MS raises the price on HP, and since 90% of the market is still windows users, then HP is at a price competative disadvantage with Gateway when it comes to price and profit margins. That's why you never see a "OS-delete" option at places like Dell.com.

So that, combined with the naturally heavily propriatary nature of Laptops/notebooks (like Intel's centrino, with the wireless setup that runs in software ala winmodems), and the industries apathy towards linux users makes it very hard to get a random laptop working on the first try.

Most server hardware works well with Linux. Linux is common nowadays in server rooms, so manufacturers make sure that servers and their hardware generally works well with linux. It's getting pretty common for workstations, were it's replacing Unix and giving traditionally not-strong unix player a path to high-end unix stuff, so more and more workstation-level stuff works well with linux.

Now the idea is to get Linux common on corporate desktops. MSDOS got popular at home because most computer people used Dos at work so they bought computers with DOS, instead of the better (IMO) Mac OSes. So Linux people are aiming at corporations.

then after that the home users, because then people using linux at work will want to be able to use it at home.

Also after it becomes popular at the corporate desktop then more and more business class laptops will be supported, then it will simply be easier to support most of your inventory that way.

But for right now if you know you would want to try out linux, there is hardware that works very well with linux, but you need to do a bit of extra research ahead of time. There isn't anything magical about windows that makes it easy to configure hardware, it's just that it has better OEM support. On hardware that supports linux, linux is a breeze to install and it works fast and correctly from the first get-go.

I wish I'd read this a little sooner. I installed Lindows last night, and if anything it's harder to use, and the hardware support isn't any better. It reminds me of MacOS because they make it difficult to access the more advanced configuration options (like bootloader support and hardware configuration). I'm debating whether to reinstall Fedora or to install a different distro. What do you think? The thing I don't like about many of the Linux distros is that it comes with about 5 of each program (and configuration tools) that does the same thing. Then I have to play around with all of them and decide which ones to keep and which to delete. Are there any distros without that problem?