Just killed mouse with glue trap and PETA says I'm inhumane

[mmntech]

I laugh at PETA haters. I marvel that a completely ineffective group of sanctimonious headline hunters can send otherwise reasonably calm people into foamy mouth snits. PETA has no impact on anything. They are street theater with occasionally naked people. Yet folks here act like PETA killed their children or keyed their cars.

PETA has a lot of money and a lot of high profile members.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAt1z_TgPQ4
Penn & Teller basically argue that PETA has become a dangerous cult that encourages radicalism and is a major financial supporter of violent animal rights groups. Good watch. Take from it what you will but it sums up the anti-PETA argument.

 

[middlehead]

I'm by no means a PETA asshat, but any of the ways I can think of that a glue trap will kill something are shitty ways to die. Glue pads should just be for trapping, either throw the thing into a field later or have a quick death method ready.

I would go for killing it.

 

[Red Squirrel]

PETA is like unions in a way - a good thing gone too far. They were instrumental at banning dog fighting and stuff which most people are down with but now 99% of shit they do is put animals above humans life and livelihood.

Yeah it's sad that they've become so bad. They have a good cause but they suck at executing it.

They do know how to reveal certain things though. Like I never even realized how evil procter and gamble was until reading and watching a few peta documentaries. I try to avoid buying from them now, though that's kind of hard as they seem to have a monopoly in pretty much every household item from cleaning products to food. They put oven cleaner on rabbit eyes or rub steel wool on dogs till they bleed and do other crazy torture activities. Apparently they are testing the product by doing these things. Then there's Iams. If you are a dog or cat lover, read up on what this company does to "test" the food. They slice cats open while alive and such. Quite brutal.

 

[child of wonder]

Today I got some flue traps and put them together with some cheese at the locations I saw him last night

Did you blow your nose and then cover it in cheese for the mouse to eat?

 

[lxskllr]

Did you blow your nose and then cover it in cheese for the mouse to eat?

I think he put them in his fireplace :^/

 

[Mike Gayner]

Henry needs to go hug a tree and stop being such a little pussy.

 

[Raduque]

Oh boy do I hates me some mice...

I hates those meeces to pieces!


Anyway, last time there was a mouse in the house, I caught it with a plastic cup and let it loose outside. Of course, at the time I lived on two+ aces of land. Can't exactly do that here in suburbia. I would probably use a snap trap or one of those electrocution traps if it works well.

 

[SlitheryDee]

You really couldn't be any more wrong.

There are things out there worse than death. Killing and compassion are not really mutually exclusive... so how is it hypocritical? Someone might hate the mouse enough to kill it, but to torture it? Make it suffer more? Only those who are fucked in the head would have that in mind. It is not about the killing, it is about human compassion. Let's hope for your sake that if you're dying from a terminal illness, someone would give enough shit to give you pain medication... to make your passing as painless as possible. But no, scratch that thought... they're going to let you die. So why should they concern themselves over your pain?

Ridiculous logic. It amazes me people will find any excuse to validate their cruelty just because they are either too lazy or not caring enough.

Killing and compassion ARE mutually exclusive when you're talking about killing something that is in no pain and has no desire to die. We're not putting a terminal cancer patient out of their misery here. We're talking about taking the life of something that means so little to you that you are willing to kill it for being a nuisance. You don't really care about the welfare of mice, or else it would never enter your mind to kill them. There's nothing wrong with feeling that way. The only thing that's wrong with this situation is how some people validate their cruelty by imagining that it matters how "nice" and "compassionate" they are when they commit this minor murder.

I take no pleasure in killing mice, personally. The next time I kill one I'll do it in the quickest, least messy, and most efficient way possible. If that way happens to be relatively painless, then the mouse will at least have that dubious benefit. In the end I don't give a shit, because I obviously don't have a soft spot in my heart for mice. At least I don't go around pretending that I am a "kind and compassionate" mouse killer.

 

[Fayd]

First I saw small mouse it last night while brushing my teeth in bathroom. And then I had hard time sleeping wondering if it will jump into my bed and walk over my face D:

Today I got some flue traps and put them together with some cheese at the locations I saw him last night

And sure enough, I heard the noise of it trying to free itself - it got stuck in the glue. So I killed it with by crushing it with soda can - to spare it from suffering,

PETA says
They even have idea how to 'gently' set it free... And then what? Outside is -5F, it will get back in if it survives long enough

http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=127

What would you do?

crush the mouse's skull with a boot heel.

 

[El Guaraguao]

Dunno bout you guys, but I don't sit around waiting for the mouse to come and get stuck in the glue trap. By the time I find it, the mouse is dead already.

 

[alkemyst]

it's a major lobby, not a cult. Same as MADD/SADD and the like.

They are looking for bucks more than saving anything.

 

[F1N3ST]

Get a kitty! They kill mice.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I just realized something, my spider traps are probably inhumane. The last spider I caught survived a couple weeks before finally dying off! Yet another fun use for duct tape.

 

[lxskllr]

Get a kitty! They kill mice.

Mine don't. They play with them until they escape :^D

 

[HenryC]

So, which one of you guys alter ego is Henry here? All 50 posts of his are whining about peoples treatment of vermin. I don't mind an agenda but, cryin' out loud, at least learn to be a little more entertaining.

Irrelevant.

Henry needs to go hug a tree and stop being such a little pussy.

So pointless cruelty makes you tough hey? Yeah, it's cool to be a wanna-be nihilist, pseudo-macho man when it comes to animal cruelty huh? I don't disagree with killing, I disagree with torturing... and the people that do the latter are even bigger pussies themselves, end of.

 

[HenryC]

Killing and compassion ARE mutually exclusive when you're talking about killing something that is in no pain and has no desire to die.

Killing itself doesn't really make compassion void, because the person is actually compassionate enough to ensure that there's no more suffering.

How about if someone sets off a trap, but it doesn't kill a mouse - but they see it in pain and end its misery instead of just allowing it to suffer? Is this not an act of compassion, while the act of killing is still there? It might not be as compassionate, as say, releasing the mouse somewhere else... but it is still there.

Would it be better to be tortured to death, or killed quickly?

We're not putting a terminal cancer patient out of their misery here. We're talking about taking the life of something that means so little to you that you are willing to kill it for being a nuisance.

Actually, we're talking about your "method of death does not matter because you are killing anyway" philosophy here. This principle can also be used with a whole host of things, including terminal patients. It doesn't quite cut it, because as humans we understand that pain can and should be minimised if death is an inevitable option.

Did you not say that suffering leading to death does not matter because you are going to kill, or let die anyway? That the actual killing makes the suffering leading up to inconsequential? If you're in a situation where you have no other choice but to use a lethal option, should not the killing be swift and painless as possible?

Personally I think the way someone kills an animal says a lot about their personality.

You don't really care about the welfare of mice, or else it would never enter your mind to kill them.

Seems that you have "welfare" confused with "rights". Animal welfare has a more rational approach, that does not really condemn killing where appropriate. If I really didn't care, then I would not care enough to oppose cruelty when it is not necessary.

The only thing that's wrong with this situation is how some people validate their cruelty by imagining that it matters how "nice" and "compassionate" they are when they commit this minor murder.

There are levels of cruelty, and compassion. I'm saying it's just very douchy to be cruel to an animal and then just say "because I don't give a fuck" to justify it.

At least I don't go around pretending that I am a "kind and compassionate" mouse killer.

No, but that's hardly the point. But I will say I'm more kind and compassionate killing the mouse quickly rather than throwing it into the bin stuck on a glue trap to starve. I suppose that doesn't matter when the end aim is to kill it, according to you? Well, I don't agree. The ends don't always justify the means... if someone *has* to be cruel (as killing arguably is), then it should be minimised. The lesser of two evils. Then there are mercy killings... which is a whole other thing entirely which might overlap here a little.

 

[Mike Gayner]

Careful Henry, your vagina's showing.

 

[HenryC]

Careful Henry, your vagina's showing.

Don't see them often, do you?

Perhaps you should use your brain to think, rather than your penis. It would mean you'd have something meaningful and constructive to add, rather than stupid ad hominems only teenagers would use.

 

[alkemyst]

HenryC WWYBYWB?

 

[vailr]

Havahart Live Catch Mouse Trap

Also works for chipmunks, which like to nibble on garden plants.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Don't see them often, do you?

Perhaps you should use your brain to think, rather than your penis. It would mean you'd have something meaningful and constructive to add, rather than stupid ad hominems only teenagers would use.

Nobody gives tinker's damn about mice. I would kill to have enough free time that I felt the need to waste time caring about such a trivial concept as what is the best death for a mouse.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Havahart Live Catch Mouse Trap

Also works for chipmunks, which like to nibble on garden plants.

That's best way imo. In fact if you really want to go high tech, try to mount a small camera on the mouse so you can see how it gets into the house in first place. That actually would be kind of fun to do.

But seriously, if it's just one or two mice, live trap, and bring them in the forest. They're animals, they are made to survive in the elements.

If it's a serious issue like, 10+ then maybe insta kill traps are the faster way to go. No reason to make them suffer. Besides, they're actually kind of cute.

Really, I don't get why some people are actually scared of mouse. Scared of that thing, really? What is it going to do, make you snorgle to death?

 

[Mike Gayner]

But seriously, if it's just one or two mice, live trap, and bring them in the forest. They're animals, they are made to survive in the elements.

Seriously, you want people to catch the mouse, then drive it out to the forest to start a new life? I value my free time and the fuel in my tank more than I value a vile rodent.

 

[bobeedee]

They are inhumane. I've killed probably over 40,000 animals and always make it quick. Whether tearing head off a winged bird or shooting a downed deer again with my .45 it should be as painless as possible for animal unless you like torture which sticky traps are - torture - plain and simple. Should only be reserved for terrorists or 24. Man up and get a spring loaded mouse trap that snaps their spine.

The Wilt Chamberlain of animal killers (2.7 animals killed per day for 40 years...)

 

[alkemyst]

The Wilt Chamberlain of animal killers (2.7 animals killed per day for 40 years...)

yeah like WTF? is he hunting in his subdivision?