Just looked at the XFX 512meg 7800GTX Retail box.....

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: M0RPH
Looks like 6400 to me. Which is a long ways off from 9100.

Well considering we still know next to nothing about this card, it could possibly have tweaks to the memory controller like it was rumored. The extra bandwith and 256 mb memory probably helps too. Even if it wasn't 275 mhz, it couldn't have been too much higher.

On the other hand, someone at nvnews speculated that they may have had to make some tweaks in the other direction, increasing latency or something simlar, in order to reach these clock speeds. If that's it then it's quite possible that 9100 is all it's going to score at its stock speeds. I'm just speculating because like you said, we don't have enough information yet. But I'll stick by my guns when I say this thing is not running at 275 core and scoring 9100.

 

[Gstanfor]

Good going Morph(ine), you finally managed not to be totally incorrect on something nVidia related! Wonders will never cease.

2D mode on nVidia hardware from nV30 onwards has the core running @ 300mhz, not 275mhz.

 

[RobertR1]

Morph,

What's your beef with nvidia?
This could be the fastest card around, priced at $600, widely available and you'd still find a way to knock it.....why??? Are you just a whinning pessimist or a diehard Ati fan?

First you didn't want to believe the clock and even claim them ridiculous thus rejoicing in the evga misprint on the spec speet of 470core. Now we're hearing this "oh, it'll only do 9100." What's next? Should we just start a new thread prediciting your next violin session about this card?


What card do you own? Are you even in the market for either this card or the x1800xt?

 

[Yanagi]

They just deleted the thread over ad NvNews...

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: Yanagi
They just deleted the thread over ad NvNews...

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=59593&page=21

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Yanagi
They just deleted the thread over ad NvNews...

??? No they didn't - it's still there.

 

[Yanagi]

Well waddayaknow. Thanks

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Man nVidia is brilliant. They totally destroyed all interest surrounding the X1800XT LOL! Good I hope they kick ATi really hard while they're down - they deserve it for the false promises as of late.

They do seem to destroy ATI at the high end at every opportunity don't they?

Yesterday at B3d Dave posted, "ATI officially lasunches fastest graphics card in the world today".

The post underneath it is me saying "Second fastest".

If ATI has knowledge of what their competitors are up to through mutual OEMs and the like, it doesn't surprise me their execs dumped almost half of their stock this year.

They're in for tough times until they can get a more competitive product out.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Man nVidia is brilliant. They totally destroyed all interest surrounding the X1800XT LOL! Good I hope they kick ATi really hard while they're down - they deserve it for the false promises as of late.

They do seem to destroy ATI at the high end at every opportunity don't they?

Yesterday at B3d Dave posted, "ATI officially lasunches fastest graphics card in the world today".

The post underneath it is me saying "Second fastest".

If ATI has knowledge of what their competitors are up to through mutual OEMs and the like, it doesn't surprise me their execs dumped almost half of their stock this year.

They're in for tough times until they can get a more competitive product out.

Heh heh... The silence on the early release of the 512mb 7800 GTX over at Beyond3d is positively deafening. I especially like how they turned the thread in 3D T&H into a physics GPU discussion... lots of fanATIcs deep in "da - nile" at the moment...

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[Keysplayr]

Joker Wow!!! 6400 3DMark '05 points at 275/1400!!! That is amazing!!

Now add 305 MHz to the core and 330 to 400MHz to the memory. (1730/1800)

Looks like 3DMark is heavily dependant on memory bandwidth moreso than core speed.

Morph, I would like to know what your problem is as well. I know you're absolutely enraged at all this, but why look the part of a fool when something like this is presented to you. And I mean Jokers 6400 score at 275/1400. Not Uberhunters thread.

I just can't get my mind around your mentality on this. Care to explain? I mean, we are your peers in this forum aren't we? Time to fess up brudda.

EDIT: Joker, would you mind running that test again with 275/1200? Just to see how much of an effect memory bandwidth plays a part in 3DMark05. Thanks.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Rollo
I guess now we're seeing why my reply to the email with specs for this card was "Are you sure that's not a typo?" and why I posted that no one will be considering X1800XTs when this card launches?

I'm still not going to comment on MSRP or expected street, but I'll reiterate $600 X1800XTs are going to look like a very bad deal very shortly.

Take it easy there, buddy, or else you'll have to go get a clean pair of underwear. I'm surprised you didn't buy one of these since you have such a hard on for the card, $800 is probably a good deal in your mind.

No way!

MORPH resorts to personal attack after being proven wrong yet again.

 

[Sentry2]

4....MORE.....DAYS.....

 

[rcabor]

The thing that bothers me is that we have now had several reports that the 7800gtx 512 drivers that ship with the card do not work. Are they rushing to make a release date? I find it hard to beleive that they didnt know that it doesnt work right. There are new drivers that fix it, and hopefully they will be released on monday, but still.

 

[wanderer27]

Quoted from jAkUp over at NVnews

Here are some comparision's, keep in mind that my CPU and memory are running at much higher speeds. Not to mention his 512 GTX is only running at 1.6GHz I believe. Uber, are you running Quality, or High quality in the Nvidia control panel? These tests were at Quality.

29% of my test was under 25FPS... Uberhunter's rig? Only 5%. Now that is worthy 33% of his test was above 40 fps, my rig? Only 12%.. awesome!

1600x1200 4x/16x EVERYTHING Maxed.

Even though we don't have 05mark scores, at least this gives some kind of impression of what this new card will do in comparsion to the current cards.

 

[anandtechrocks]

I think there is too my hype over this card. I doubt the results will be as high as everyone here is praying for. I think it will be similar to the relationship between the X1800XT and the current 7800GTX (which is very very close!). I'd love to be proven wrong but I'd also hate to have sky high hopes shot down by less than out-of-this-world performance.

 

[rcabor]

Originally posted by: anandtechrocks
I think there is too my hype over this card. I doubt the results will be as high as everyone here is praying for. I think it will be similar to the relationship between the X1800XT and the current 7800GTX (which is very very close!). I'd love to be proven wrong but I'd also hate to have sky high hopes shot down by less than out-of-this-world performance.

From what i have heard, this is a super fast board, and I have heard from reputable sources, i.e. sampsa at xtremesystems. He expects SLI stock to break 18k in 05. Thats just awesome! I hope ATI will counter and the cycle will continue, as we all will benifit from that. The one thing that is starting to bother me is the price, and that the fact that they seemed to have been in such a hurry to get it to stores, it shipped with non working drivers.

Edit: When I said price, I meant both ATI and Nvidia. And the non working drivers is from the 512 GTX

 

[Pete]

You all seriously think the 512MB GTX, which is the same core as the 256MB one, is going to go from 6k to 9k thanks to more and slightly faster RAM? At the decidedly frmebuffer-friendly stock setting of 10x7 0x4? Morph has posted some doozies before, but those of you picking on him here aren't exactly thinking first. It's a pretty incredible stretch to expect 50% higher scores from 20% faster RAM.

Rollo, did you notice in what forum that B3D ATI thread was posted?

Greg, yeah, a 28 page thread on the 512MB GTX is pretty deafening. Remember that we're not talking about new tech, just an apparently kick-ass respin of already-rehashed tech. I'm not sure what there's to discuss without some more benchmark numbers, preferably with clock speeds not in question.

Anyway, Uberhunter's numbers are interesting, screwy clock speeds and all. Hopefully he'll flesh out the picture over the weekend, while the rest of us wait for the reviews.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Pete
You all seriously think the 512MB GTX, which is the same core as the 256MB one, is going to go from 6k to 9k thanks to more and slightly faster RAM? At the decidedly frmebuffer-friendly stock setting of 10x7 0x4? Morph has posted some doozies before, but those of you picking on him here aren't exactly thinking first. It's a pretty incredible stretch to expect 50% higher scores from 20% faster RAM.

Rollo, did you notice in what forum that B3D ATI thread was posted?

Greg, yeah, a 28 page thread on the 512MB GTX is pretty deafening. Remember that we're not talking about new tech, just an apparently kick-ass respin of already-rehashed tech. I'm not sure what there's to discuss without some more benchmark numbers, preferably with clock speeds not in question.

Anyway, Uberhunter's numbers are interesting, screwy clock speeds and all. Hopefully he'll flesh out the picture over the weekend, while the rest of us wait for the reviews.

As usual QFT !

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Pete
You all seriously think the 512MB GTX, which is the same core as the 256MB one, is going to go from 6k to 9k thanks to more and slightly faster RAM? At the decidedly frmebuffer-friendly stock setting of 10x7 0x4? Morph has posted some doozies before, but those of you picking on him here aren't exactly thinking first. It's a pretty incredible stretch to expect 50% higher scores from 20% faster RAM.

Rollo, did you notice in what forum that B3D ATI thread was posted?

Greg, yeah, a 28 page thread on the 512MB GTX is pretty deafening. Remember that we're not talking about new tech, just an apparently kick-ass respin of already-rehashed tech. I'm not sure what there's to discuss without some more benchmark numbers, preferably with clock speeds not in question.

Anyway, Uberhunter's numbers are interesting, screwy clock speeds and all. Hopefully he'll flesh out the picture over the weekend, while the rest of us wait for the reviews.

Pete why do u even try? A guy who cannot understand on average what can be the feasible gains from more and faster memory as always posts nonsense...
My friend Ailuros ellaborated well on this issue @b3d...

 

[dug777]

well said pete :beer:

 

[Sentry2]

Never seen a GTX @430/1200+ get below 7k. Most of them get above 8k. When I had just 1 GTX KO @ 490/1300 it would get ~8.6k+. I think it's safe to say this new 512MB GTX will easily break 9k...maybe 10k...especially @ 580/1730+.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Pete
You all seriously think the 512MB GTX, which is the same core as the 256MB one, is going to go from 6k to 9k thanks to more and slightly faster RAM? At the decidedly frmebuffer-friendly stock setting of 10x7 0x4? Morph has posted some doozies before, but those of you picking on him here aren't exactly thinking first. It's a pretty incredible stretch to expect 50% higher scores from 20% faster RAM.

Ouch. I never expected to see something like this from you Pete. Can you post even ONE link to any 7800GTX getting below <7K in 3DMark05?

AFAIK they score mid 7000s-mid 8000s, depending on clocks.

 

[fliguy84]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Pete
You all seriously think the 512MB GTX, which is the same core as the 256MB one, is going to go from 6k to 9k thanks to more and slightly faster RAM? At the decidedly frmebuffer-friendly stock setting of 10x7 0x4? Morph has posted some doozies before, but those of you picking on him here aren't exactly thinking first. It's a pretty incredible stretch to expect 50% higher scores from 20% faster RAM.

Ouch. I never expected to see something like this from you Pete. Can you post even ONE link to any 7800GTX getting below <7K in 3DMark05?

AFAIK they score mid 7000s-mid 8000s, depending on clocks.

i think he meant that to the 5150joker's underclocked gtx 3dmark05 score

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: fliguy84

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Pete
You all seriously think the 512MB GTX, which is the same core as the 256MB one, is going to go from 6k to 9k thanks to more and slightly faster RAM? At the decidedly frmebuffer-friendly stock setting of 10x7 0x4? Morph has posted some doozies before, but those of you picking on him here aren't exactly thinking first. It's a pretty incredible stretch to expect 50% higher scores from 20% faster RAM.

Ouch. I never expected to see something like this from you Pete. Can you post even ONE link to any 7800GTX getting below <7K in 3DMark05?

AFAIK they score mid 7000s-mid 8000s, depending on clocks.

i think he meant that to the 5150joker's underclocked gtx 3dmark05 score

:laugh: rollo got pwned :laugh:

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Pete
You all seriously think the 512MB GTX, which is the same core as the 256MB one, is going to go from 6k to 9k thanks to more and slightly faster RAM? At the decidedly frmebuffer-friendly stock setting of 10x7 0x4? Morph has posted some doozies before, but those of you picking on him here aren't exactly thinking first. It's a pretty incredible stretch to expect 50% higher scores from 20% faster RAM.

Rollo, did you notice in what forum that B3D ATI thread was posted?

Greg, yeah, a 28 page thread on the 512MB GTX is pretty deafening. Remember that we're not talking about new tech, just an apparently kick-ass respin of already-rehashed tech. I'm not sure what there's to discuss without some more benchmark numbers, preferably with clock speeds not in question.

Anyway, Uberhunter's numbers are interesting, screwy clock speeds and all. Hopefully he'll flesh out the picture over the weekend, while the rest of us wait for the reviews.

I was about to say something of similar effect, but you beat me to it. Well said, though.