Originally posted by: skyking
Checkers sell thier bodies, like anyone in a physical job. The ones I know who have been at it for any length of time have either had carpal tunnel surgery, or need it. They move tons of groceries in a shift, one piece at a time, through that gate. One way or another, it takes its toll.
I am a union equipment operator. I spent a ten hour shift in an off-road truck today, on rough trails the management likes to call roads. I feel like Iwas rolled down a hill in a barrell! Does the job pay well, and have good benifits? Yes. did I harm my back to some degree today, irreperably? Most likely.
I have seen plenty of stooped old operators, disks turned to mush, truck drivers too. You want our big wages, or tell us we don't deserve them. Take a walk in our shoes before digging into our wallets
Originally posted by: cricky
This is a matter of opinion. To me, no bag boy or ordinary cashier should be earning enough money to own a home and feed a family. I don't think of these as full-time career positions.
And to me, this is an elitlist attitude. WTF is wrong with someone working at a job for 5-10 years to work towards management, to gain steady increases in pay an benefits? Who TF made you some kind of god to state that the job that I and hundreds of thousands of other people in this nation do every day is worthy of scorn?
I AGREE with the people saying the striking workers are being greedy. They SHOULD pay for their health benefits. I AGREE that $17.50 an hour is high for someone who only works somewhere 2 years. Took me eight years to reach that level.
I don't agree with the people who piss on the blue collar workers such as myself... But I guess that's your opinion...
--Chris
Originally posted by: cricky
APPENDIX A - HOURLY WAGE RATES
10/4/99 10/2/00 10/1/01 10/7/02
FOOD CLERKS
Department Head 17.70 18.10 18.50 18.90
Experienced Clerk 16.70 17.10 17.50 17.90
Apprentices:
4th 26 weeks 14.67 14.67 14.67 14.67
3rd 26 weeks 13.04 13.04 13.04 13.04
2nd 26 weeks 11.41 11.41 11.41 11.41
1st 26 weeks 9.78 9.78 9.78 9.78
CLERK'S HELPERS
After 9 months 6.90 7.05 7.25 7.40
Next 6 months 6.45 6.60 6.80 6.95
1st 3 months 6.20 6.35 6.55 6.70
Please keep in mind that 60% of workers start out as clerk's helpers in this contracts language.
--Chris
my opinion a 10-15% raise is pretty decent with our economy. and making $17.90 after 3.5 years is very good. is this somehow supposed to make us feel that after 3.5 years, $17.90 for a experienced clerk is rightly received?? my last job, people there would only make like a 3% raise, and that is every year, not every 6 months AND its a review, not a gaurantee
Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
unions suck..i hate them..i'm 100% antiunion..they're the cause of our economic downfall....fine hvae unions? complain of no benefits?...we'll find cheaper workers..plenty of across-the-border people in so. cal who's willing to work for cheaper....howaobut them strikers @ manufacturing plants?..complain? fine we'll move to china and mexico..cheaper labor there...
stfu picketers...go back to work ...phokking lazy asses...working @ a supermarket .....psshh...a high school student can manage a supermarket..and they get paid 20 an hours...wtf...go to hell
More elitist drivel. You have a respect issue. Do you really hate yourself so much, that you cannot respect another's job? You want someone to do these services, someone must. Until we breed a class of subhumans to handle this, you will have to live with the folks who do, right in your neighborhood.hard physical work should NOT mean high wages. is it my fault that someone was to dumb, lazy to go to college to get a higher education, or even self study which i am doing for myself??
Originally posted by: skyking
More elitist drivel. You have a respect issue. Do you really hate yourself so much, that you cannot respect another's job? You want someone to do these services, someone must. Until we breed a class of subhumans to handle this, you will have to live with the folks who do, right in your neighborhood.hard physical work should NOT mean high wages. is it my fault that someone was to dumb, lazy to go to college to get a higher education, or even self study which i am doing for myself??
Many of the so called physical positions also require a good amount of study and continuing education, and the folks who you characterize as "dumb, lazy" can be some of the sharpest knives in the drawer.
Originally posted by: Regs
Wth? I remember working at a "Wawa" 3 years ago making 7.50 an hour for cashier. And that was the flat rate. I shared responsibilities too obviously from the size of a convenience store.
I worked 9 hour shifts with no brakes, no vacations, no benefits, no nodda.
And you know what, good for those supermarket workers! Because these companies are screwing them up their ass! Because I know the ammount of BS they have to deal with is preposterous. People think it's a easy job, but its just the opposite.
I can't really agree on them to have free medical/dental benefits. That's just a joke, sorry. We all have to pay for medical benefits out our pay checks. I pay maybe...80 dollars a month (Only 60 after the tax brake) for a 15/50 copay plan with a 500,000 limit. That's pretty damn good I say.
Originally posted by: przero
RabidMongoose
"This is a matter of opinion. To me, no bag boy or ordinary cashier should be earning enough money to own a home and feed a family. I don't think of these as full-time career positions."
Pure genius!!! I don't know what you do for a living, but I'll assure you this, if times get hard enough you will make those professions a career and be glad to have that! Then maybe then you will realize what a childish statement you made!
Originally posted by: jjyiz28
Originally posted by: przero
RabidMongoose
"This is a matter of opinion. To me, no bag boy or ordinary cashier should be earning enough money to own a home and feed a family. I don't think of these as full-time career positions."
Pure genius!!! I don't know what you do for a living, but I'll assure you this, if times get hard enough you will make those professions a career and be glad to have that! Then maybe then you will realize what a childish statement you made!
[sarcasm]
aww screw that. minimum wage should be at least $20/hour. i mean, when times get tough, and i have no where else to turn, at least i have a minimum wage job i could do to pay off my 2story house, my cars, and feed my childrens.
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tell he this genious, if ordinary bag boys and cashiers made enough to feed family, own home, etc... don't think that the companies would keep the same amount of employees. the workforce will be cut, and the people that are left, even though they will make enough money for family, will have to work 2-3 times as hard as they were before. if not, they get fired and hire someone else since now there is a surplus of skillless workers.
Originally posted by: jjyiz28
Originally posted by: skyking
More elitist drivel. You have a respect issue. Do you really hate yourself so much, that you cannot respect another's job? You want someone to do these services, someone must. Until we breed a class of subhumans to handle this, you will have to live with the folks who do, right in your neighborhood.hard physical work should NOT mean high wages. is it my fault that someone was to dumb, lazy to go to college to get a higher education, or even self study which i am doing for myself??
Many of the so called physical positions also require a good amount of study and continuing education, and the folks who you characterize as "dumb, lazy" can be some of the sharpest knives in the drawer.
yes i want someone to do these services. no i don't believe someone MUST do it. you know why?? has their ever been a shortage of janitors, clerks, busboys, shoe shiners, etc...??!?!?! are these people doing it from the kindness of their hearts because no one else wants to do it??
name me a physical or non physical work that needs no skills that requires a good amount of study and continuing education. see how this contradicts itself.
and don't say a plumber. RE--READ my post. i never said blue collar workers deserve less pay, i said skillless workers should not expect themselves to be unreplaceable.
and yes, some of the people doing menial jobs may be very bright. it was a generalization. why are they doing these jobs?? hell if i know, maybe the enjoy it. majority of people that can get a higher paying, cushier job, will rather than stay where they are now.
here's a tip:
read, comprehend, then speak.
edit: oohh, i like how you totally disregarded my 2nd paragraph when you quoted me.
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: jjyiz28
Originally posted by: przero
RabidMongoose
"This is a matter of opinion. To me, no bag boy or ordinary cashier should be earning enough money to own a home and feed a family. I don't think of these as full-time career positions."
Pure genius!!! I don't know what you do for a living, but I'll assure you this, if times get hard enough you will make those professions a career and be glad to have that! Then maybe then you will realize what a childish statement you made!
[sarcasm]
aww screw that. minimum wage should be at least $20/hour. i mean, when times get tough, and i have no where else to turn, at least i have a minimum wage job i could do to pay off my 2story house, my cars, and feed my childrens.
[/sarcarm]
tell he this genious, if ordinary bag boys and cashiers made enough to feed family, own home, etc... don't think that the companies would keep the same amount of employees. the workforce will be cut, and the people that are left, even though they will make enough money for family, will have to work 2-3 times as hard as they were before. if not, they get fired and hire someone else since now there is a surplus of skillless workers.
I'm curious. Is spelling and grammer a skill?
If it is, you're fired.
Originally posted by: skyking
Originally posted by: jjyiz28
Originally posted by: skyking
More elitist drivel. You have a respect issue. Do you really hate yourself so much, that you cannot respect another's job? You want someone to do these services, someone must. Until we breed a class of subhumans to handle this, you will have to live with the folks who do, right in your neighborhood.hard physical work should NOT mean high wages. is it my fault that someone was to dumb, lazy to go to college to get a higher education, or even self study which i am doing for myself??
Many of the so called physical positions also require a good amount of study and continuing education, and the folks who you characterize as "dumb, lazy" can be some of the sharpest knives in the drawer.
yes i want someone to do these services. no i don't believe someone MUST do it. you know why?? has their ever been a shortage of janitors, clerks, busboys, shoe shiners, etc...??!?!?! are these people doing it from the kindness of their hearts because no one else wants to do it??
name me a physical or non physical work that needs no skills that requires a good amount of study and continuing education. see how this contradicts itself.
and don't say a plumber. RE--READ my post. i never said blue collar workers deserve less pay, i said skillless workers should not expect themselves to be unreplaceable.
and yes, some of the people doing menial jobs may be very bright. it was a generalization. why are they doing these jobs?? hell if i know, maybe the enjoy it. majority of people that can get a higher paying, cushier job, will rather than stay where they are now.
here's a tip:
read, comprehend, then speak.
edit: oohh, i like how you totally disregarded my 2nd paragraph when you quoted me.
I did not need to go further, your generalization was sufficient. I could comprehend that you believe a grocery checker has no skills, and magically makes 17 plus an hour. By the time someone works his/her way up to that level, they are a trusted, trained employee who has learned to inventory, order stock, fill in in many other places as needed, and diplomatically put up with a lot of crap from ungrateful, pissed off, disgruntled, drunk, abusive, needy, or otherwise troublesome customers.
They handle huge amounts of cash, and are trusted with it. They are the ones your "skilless" ones bring questionable transactions to.
I doubt the strike will work out for them, but I support and applaud their efforts. It takes some backbone to put your job on the line for what you believe in.
no i don't believe someone MUST do it.
Where is the difficulty here? There is a job. Gotta be done, someone must do it.
has their ever been a shortage of janitors, clerks, busboys, shoe shiners, etc...??!?!?! are these people doing it from the kindness of their hearts because no one else wants to do it??
Like you said yourself, "hell if i know, maybe the enjoy it."
Nothing wrong with that, enjoying what you do, for the sake of it. Psychologists call that a healthy mindset. Also nothing wrong with making a living at it. More power to them!
Originally posted by: przero
RabidMongoose
"This is a matter of opinion. To me, no bag boy or ordinary cashier should be earning enough money to own a home and feed a family. I don't think of these as full-time career positions."
Pure genius!!! I don't know what you do for a living, but I'll assure you this, if times get hard enough you will make those professions a career and be glad to have that! Then maybe then you will realize what a childish statement you made!
Originally posted by: przero
RabidMongoose
"This is a matter of opinion. To me, no bag boy or ordinary cashier should be earning enough money to own a home and feed a family. I don't think of these as full-time career positions."
Pure genius!!! I don't know what you do for a living, but I'll assure you this, if times get hard enough you will make those professions a career and be glad to have that! Then maybe then you will realize what a childish statement you made!
Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
yes, bagboys and girls should not be able to make enough money to pay for college, let alone their future children's college. this year alone the UC system raised tuition by +30%
u guys are thinking "o wow, $12 bux an hour!" well they are california bux, so they're really worth about $6-7 dollars an hour anywhere else in the country, cuz every house costs atleast half a million, apt rent is 50% more than outside of cali, plus bonuses like higher taxes in terms of sales, gas, state income....
Example:
guess how much a haircut here (SD): closest place $18, another local place $16, even supercuts starts at $14 not including tip, while anywhere else in the country its $6-8
the only solution i see to address this problem or ridiculous living costs in the CA would be a giant earthquake that wipes out a ton of homes, and they aren't insured because earthquake ain't covered unless u want to pay 200% which most ppl won't. and when a whole lot of houses are wiped out, causing a downward spiral assuming a mass exodus of ppl who dont want to die
a 10.0+ magnitute should happen within the next 30,000 years or so...
tasukete ahnold!!
although i don't support unions generally, u can bet the execs at albertsons, kroger, safeway, will be giving themselves fat bonuses for a job well done attaining the resolution, no matter which way it goes...